GoPro-What can i take?

oaktownboy · 07-18-2003, 02:31 PM

hey everyone.i've been training for 4 years.i'm 18 i train 3 on one off Day 1:chest,bis,forearms Day2: back,tris Day3:quads,hams
off Day4 :chest, bis, calves Day5: back, tris Day6:quads,hams

I'm bulking so i eat abround 450g carbs and 250g pro(I weigh 185). i'v been training competitively with the owner of the gym(he used to be a bodybuilder) for about a month and a half and i've been taking nutrex's vitrix(a trib product), protein powder,multivitamin, flax oil, glutamine, just got off creatine. Right now i am just wondering of there is any other supplement i can take??any advice very much appreciated

bigswole30 · 07-18-2003, 04:18 PM

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oaktownboy · 07-18-2003, 10:04 PM

thanks for the advice dawg

**gopro** · 07-19-2003, 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oaktownboy
hey everyone.i've been training for 4 years.i'm 18 i train 3 on one off Day 1:chest,bis,forearms Day2: back,tris Day3:quads,hams
off Day4 :chest, bis, calves Day5: back, tris Day6:quads,hams

I'm bulking so i eat abround 450g carbs and 250g pro(I weigh 185). i'v been training competitively with the owner of the gym(he used to be a bodybuilder) for about a month and a half and i've been taking nutrex's vitrix(a trib product), protein powder,multivitamin, flax oil, glutamine, just got off creatine. Right now i am just wondering of there is any other supplement i can take??any advice very much appreciated

You seem to have your supplementation under control, and I assume your diet is on point. What I DO NOT like is your training routine! 3 on 1 off is overtraining for most everyone unless you are using drugs. For a natural lifter looking to add alot of size you need to get more rest! I suggest 2 on 1 off 2 on 2 off. For example:

-chest/bis
-quads/hams
-off
-lats/low back
-delts/tris/traps
-off
-off

You will NOT get huge if you overtrain...no matter what supp you take!

oaktownboy · 07-19-2003, 03:48 PM

yeah i understand the 3 on 1 off being too much but my trainer said it was ok as long as you don't train each bp more than once every 5 days..so i don't wanna argue with him...when i hit the gym i can do more everyday but i'm not seeing it in the mirror..also how much cardio should i do when bulking?
thanks

**gopro** · 07-20-2003, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by oaktownboy
yeah i understand the 3 on 1 off being too much but my trainer said it was ok as long as you don't train each bp more than once every 5 days..so i don't wanna argue with him...when i hit the gym i can do more everyday but i'm not seeing it in the mirror..also how much cardio should i do when bulking?
thanks

And if you keep training that much you probably won't see it in the mirror! And forget cardio! If you add that in on top of a 3 on 1 off program you will probably shrink, not grow. Sorry, but thems the facts!

kdwa1 · 07-21-2003, 08:50 AM

Sounds sensible Go Pro,I do 2 on 1 off 2 on 2 off but exercise each group twice a week 2 heavy days 2 moderate.Doesn't five days between groups seem abit too long.I feel I get muscle lathargy.

**dg806** · 07-21-2003, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oaktownboy
yeah i understand the 3 on 1 off being too much but my trainer said it was ok as long as you don't train each bp more than once every 5 days..so i don't wanna argue with him...when i hit the gym i can do more everyday but i'm not seeing it in the mirror..also how much cardio should i do when bulking?
thanks

Even if you don't train each bp but every 5 days or so, what you don't realize is that you are still training and it takes an effect on your CNS. You still need the rest! As you get a number of years training under your belt, you will be able to feel your body more and know what you need.

**dg806** · 07-21-2003, 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kdwa1
Sounds sensible Go Pro,I do 2 on 1 off 2 on 2 off but exercise each group twice a week 2 heavy days 2 moderate.Doesn't five days between groups seem abit too long.I feel I get muscle lathargy.

72 hours should be minimum between training the same bp! And even at that, it would be hard to train without the aid of PH's or AAS.

kdwa1 · 07-21-2003, 09:23 AM

Actually Ivé been training for thirty years but also spent 3-5 hours surfing everyday for many years.Definitely tough to combine surfing and heavy weights.But anyway I find that if I rest more than 72 hours per bp I feel too soft.Seem to stay harder and more ripped hitting it more often but of course my body is used to being overtrained.I push it real hard and don't need Ph's etc.But I use them for the pump.Gotta eat and sleep alot.

oaktownboy · 07-21-2003, 10:47 AM

yeah i understand what everyone is saying, but on the off days i have now i literally have to stop myself from going to the gym...i'm never tired and i got hella energy..i used to go every other day and my days off i had some much energy and couldn't use it toward bb...and since i'm only 18, i don't need as much rest right?

**gopro** · 07-21-2003, 06:09 PM

Use your extra energy toward something else if you want to grow! I understand how you feel, but I'm looking out for your best interests. People with unending energy like you, usually need MORE rest in order to grow, rather than less, b/c of a high voltage metabolism.

**gopro** · 07-21-2003, 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kdwa1
Actually Ivé been training for thirty years but also spent 3-5 hours surfing everyday for many years.Definitely tough to combine surfing and heavy weights.But anyway I find that if I rest more than 72 hours per bp I feel too soft.Seem to stay harder and more ripped hitting it more often but of course my body is used to being overtrained.I push it real hard and don't need Ph's etc.But I use them for the pump.Gotta eat and sleep alot.

You have been training for 30 years and probably know what works best for your body

oaktownboy · 07-21-2003, 06:40 PM

i talked to my trainer today and he said i'm not overtraining because i'm not training any bp more than once every 5 days..he also said that if i was on ph or gear he would work me a hella lot harder..he also said i'm getting plenty of rest because of my bb split...he said to keep going with it for a few more weeks and then make a decision.. why's it gotta be so freakin difficult?damn

oh yeah can you explain why it is that if i have more energy i need more rest?

kdwa1 · 07-21-2003, 08:42 PM

Let your muscles recover.If you don't rest they continue to break down and will build much more slowly.Actually I lifted six days a week for years and felt good,strong but slow gains in mass.I suggest trying different routines to see what works.Mix it up and play with it a bit.

**gopro** · 07-22-2003, 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oaktownboy
i talked to my trainer today and he said i'm not overtraining because i'm not training any bp more than once every 5 days..he also said that if i was on ph or gear he would work me a hella lot harder..he also said i'm getting plenty of rest because of my bb split...he said to keep going with it for a few more weeks and then make a decision.. why's it gotta be so freakin difficult?damn

oh yeah can you explain why it is that if i have more energy i need more rest?

I understand that your trainer believes you are not overtraining b/c of your bodypart split. However, while you may not be overtraining individual muscles, you can still be overtraining your CNS, leading to systemic overtraining, and therefore, no gains. (You even said yourself that you are NOT seeing it in the mirror!)

And about the high energy/more rest thing...people with tons of energy usually have very fast metabolisms. They are constantly burning calories from carbs/fats/muscle tissue. Their best bet is too try and SLOOOOOOW things down. This can only be done with rest and relaxation.

oaktownboy · 07-22-2003, 07:57 PM

alright dawg I trust ya...i'll take your advice..but first i'm gonna do my program for a month...if i'm not happy, i'll switch to ya program? sound good?

**gopro** · 07-23-2003, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by oaktownboy
alright dawg I trust ya...i'll take your advice..but first i'm gonna do my program for a month...if i'm not happy, i'll switch to ya program? sound good?

Sounds good my man! I just want you to be the best you can be!

titans1854 · 07-24-2003, 11:28 PM

hey gopro, i do a routine like this:

-chest/tri/delts
-off
-back/lats/bi
-legs
-off

is this overtraining? this was working ok for me but now i can't tell because i'm on the off part of my creatine cycle and i lost some strength.

thanx

and to oaktownboy, sorry for using your thread for my quesiton.

oaktownboy · 07-25-2003, 08:46 AM

no prob dawg

**gopro** · 07-25-2003, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by titans1854
hey gopro, i do a routine like this:

-chest/tri/delts
-off
-back/lats/bi
-legs
-off

is this overtraining? this was working ok for me but now i can't tell because i'm on the off part of my creatine cycle and i lost some strength.

thanx

and to oaktownboy, sorry for using your thread for my quesiton.

Although I'd like to see a day off after back/bi day, and perhaps leg day to be day 2, rather than day 3, you should not overtrain on this schedule as you are only training 3 days per week. Unless you are doing more than that? Are you?

titans1854 · 07-25-2003, 07:17 PM

well i would be working each muscle every 6th day instead of once a week. would you be able to make up a better schedule for 6 days instead of a week? also i'm not sure if your need to get more rest or less rest if your a powerlifter vs. a bodybuilder. because right now i'm training for the upcoming football season and not worried as much about the bodybuilding part as i usually would.

**gopro** · 07-29-2003, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by titans1854
well i would be working each muscle every 6th day instead of once a week. would you be able to make up a better schedule for 6 days instead of a week? also i'm not sure if your need to get more rest or less rest if your a powerlifter vs. a bodybuilder. because right now i'm training for the upcoming football season and not worried as much about the bodybuilding part as i usually would.

Tell me what days of the week you like to train, or are able to train. You still need recovery to get stronger for football.

titans1854 · 08-01-2003, 02:54 PM

I can workout anyday of the week. So the recovery time is the same for powerlifters and bodybuilders?

**gopro** · 08-02-2003, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by titans1854
I can workout anyday of the week. So the recovery time is the same for powerlifters and bodybuilders?

That is too vague of a question to really answer accurately. Everyone has different rates of recovery due to genetics, rest times, nutrition, supplementation, etc. However, in general, recovery rates for powerlifters and bodybuilders are similar in that I feel that each should not train more than 4 days per week total, if natural. It can be argued though, that b/c powerlifters use heavier weights, their joints may need MORE time to recover than bodybuilders. Powerlifters also use up more nervous system energy as well.

07-18-2003, 02:31 PM	#1
oaktownboy DEFINITION OF R@B Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: smog and fog Posts: 4,375	GoPro-What can i take? BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com hey everyone.i've been training for 4 years.i'm 18 i train 3 on one off Day 1:chest,bis,forearms Day2: back,tris Day3:quads,hams off Day4 :chest, bis, calves Day5: back, tris Day6:quads,hams I'm bulking so i eat abround 450g carbs and 250g pro(I weigh 185). i'v been training competitively with the owner of the gym(he used to be a bodybuilder) for about a month and a half and i've been taking nutrex's vitrix(a trib product), protein powder,multivitamin, flax oil, glutamine, just got off creatine. Right now i am just wondering of there is any other supplement i can take??any advice very much appreciated

07-18-2003, 04:18 PM	#2
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07-18-2003, 10:04 PM	#3
oaktownboy DEFINITION OF R@B Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: smog and fog Posts: 4,375	thanks for the advice dawg
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07-19-2003, 03:48 PM	#5
oaktownboy DEFINITION OF R@B Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: smog and fog Posts: 4,375	yeah i understand the 3 on 1 off being too much but my trainer said it was ok as long as you don't train each bp more than once every 5 days..so i don't wanna argue with him...when i hit the gym i can do more everyday but i'm not seeing it in the mirror..also how much cardio should i do when bulking? thanks
	Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

07-21-2003, 08:50 AM	#7
kdwa1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Asia Posts: 303	Sounds sensible Go Pro,I do 2 on 1 off 2 on 2 off but exercise each group twice a week 2 heavy days 2 moderate.Doesn't five days between groups seem abit too long.I feel I get muscle lathargy.
	Live Well- Live Long- Keep Rockin

07-21-2003, 09:23 AM	#10
kdwa1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Asia Posts: 303	Actually Ivé been training for thirty years but also spent 3-5 hours surfing everyday for many years.Definitely tough to combine surfing and heavy weights.But anyway I find that if I rest more than 72 hours per bp I feel too soft.Seem to stay harder and more ripped hitting it more often but of course my body is used to being overtrained.I push it real hard and don't need Ph's etc.But I use them for the pump.Gotta eat and sleep alot.
	Live Well- Live Long- Keep Rockin

07-21-2003, 10:47 AM	#11
oaktownboy DEFINITION OF R@B Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: smog and fog Posts: 4,375	yeah i understand what everyone is saying, but on the off days i have now i literally have to stop myself from going to the gym...i'm never tired and i got hella energy..i used to go every other day and my days off i had some much energy and couldn't use it toward bb...and since i'm only 18, i don't need as much rest right?
	Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

07-21-2003, 06:09 PM	#12
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,475	Use your extra energy toward something else if you want to grow! I understand how you feel, but I'm looking out for your best interests. People with unending energy like you, usually need MORE rest in order to grow, rather than less, b/c of a high voltage metabolism.
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07-21-2003, 06:40 PM	#14
oaktownboy DEFINITION OF R@B Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: smog and fog Posts: 4,375	i talked to my trainer today and he said i'm not overtraining because i'm not training any bp more than once every 5 days..he also said that if i was on ph or gear he would work me a hella lot harder..he also said i'm getting plenty of rest because of my bb split...he said to keep going with it for a few more weeks and then make a decision.. why's it gotta be so freakin difficult?damn oh yeah can you explain why it is that if i have more energy i need more rest?
	Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

07-21-2003, 08:42 PM	#15
kdwa1 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Asia Posts: 303	Let your muscles recover.If you don't rest they continue to break down and will build much more slowly.Actually I lifted six days a week for years and felt good,strong but slow gains in mass.I suggest trying different routines to see what works.Mix it up and play with it a bit.
	Live Well- Live Long- Keep Rockin

07-22-2003, 07:57 PM	#17
oaktownboy DEFINITION OF R@B Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: smog and fog Posts: 4,375	alright dawg I trust ya...i'll take your advice..but first i'm gonna do my program for a month...if i'm not happy, i'll switch to ya program? sound good?
	Chuck Norris once lost his keys and couldn't remember where he put them. So he tortured himself for half an hour until he gave up their location.

07-24-2003, 11:28 PM	#19
titans1854 I'm a Berserker Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 602	hey gopro, i do a routine like this: -chest/tri/delts -off -back/lats/bi -legs -off is this overtraining? this was working ok for me but now i can't tell because i'm on the off part of my creatine cycle and i lost some strength. thanx and to oaktownboy, sorry for using your thread for my quesiton.
	Berserker: Band of ancient Norse warriors, who fought frenzied by intoxicating liquors, and naked, regardless of wounds.

07-25-2003, 08:46 AM	#20
oaktownboy DEFINITION OF R@B Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: smog and fog Posts: 4,375	no prob dawg
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07-25-2003, 07:17 PM	#22
titans1854 I'm a Berserker Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 602	well i would be working each muscle every 6th day instead of once a week. would you be able to make up a better schedule for 6 days instead of a week? also i'm not sure if your need to get more rest or less rest if your a powerlifter vs. a bodybuilder. because right now i'm training for the upcoming football season and not worried as much about the bodybuilding part as i usually would. Last edited by titans1854 : 07-25-2003 at 07:27 PM.
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08-01-2003, 02:54 PM	#24
titans1854 I'm a Berserker Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Huntington Beach, CA Posts: 602	I can workout anyday of the week. So the recovery time is the same for powerlifters and bodybuilders?
	Berserker: Band of ancient Norse warriors, who fought frenzied by intoxicating liquors, and naked, regardless of wounds.

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