Leptigen Hath Arrived

**Twin Peak** · 07-23-2003, 05:06 PM

Leptigen is now available for sale:

Earlier this week, the shipping of Avant Labs LeptiGen II, the long-awaited Cellular Metabolic Optimizer, has finally begun. For those of you who are unfamiliar, LeptiGen II is designed to deceive one’s body into thinking it is being fed without necessitating the calories traditionally required to elicit the hormonal response typified by the fed state. The dieter can now bypass the detrimental effects of the starvation response—metabolic downregulation and a in plateau fat loss, increased loss of Lean Body Mass, surge in appetite, fatigue, etc.—without the implementation of frequent, and often progress-hindering, refeeds. While other supplements offer only to camouflage the secondary effects of dieting, LeptiGen II prevents the actual genesis of these obstacles through the manipulation of their hormonal source, before they can become a hindrance to the realization of one’s goals.

For those interested in more information regarding this revolutionary product, there is a live chat tomorrow, July 24th, with the creator, Par Deus. For information regarding this chat, please refer to the thread on the Avant Forum. Please Note: Only registered board members may participate in this chat. We invite everyone to sign up today and pose your questions to the supplement designer.

As well, you might be interested in following DaMayor's journal where he will be tracking his dieting progress while using it.

**Twin Peak** · 07-23-2003, 07:05 PM

Oh, and the dosing protocol:

Dosing:

Males

<6% BF = 5 tablespoons/day

6-9% BF = 4 tablespoons/day

9-12% BF = 3 tablespoons/day

12-15% BF = 2 tablespoons/day

15-20% BF = 1 tablespoons/day

>20% BF = 0

Females

Add 1 tablespoon to corresponding male dosages. Do not use until under 25% BF, unless you have dieted for at least 8 weeks.

This dosing protocol assumes a moderate (500 calorie) deficit. Add 2 tablespoons per 500 calories below this moderate deficit.

These are general dosing guidelines, and may vary depending on the length of ones diet, and ones geno and phenotypes.

Bottom line is the farther you are UNDER your setpoint the greater the dose you will need.

Also, each serving should be taken about halfway between each meal.

**DaMayor** · 07-24-2003, 09:47 AM

This is going to be cool.

**Jodi** · 07-24-2003, 10:19 AM

Good Luck DM! I'll be watching.

I can't wait to see the progress and results of this test.

**DaMayor** · 07-24-2003, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Jodi
Good Luck DM! I'll be watching.

I can't wait to see the progress and results of this test.

Neither can I. I am really looking forward to an "after" pic......this "before" deal sucks!

For the record...we're taking this seriously.......

**ZECH** · 07-24-2003, 02:08 PM

Yeah good luck DM!!

**DaMayor** · 07-26-2003, 05:53 PM

A Belated "thanks", DG.

I can't believe folks over here aren't raving about this product like the guys over at Avant......It's like a feeding frenzy over there.

**Dante B.** · 07-28-2003, 06:24 AM

I can't believe folks over here aren't raving about this product like the guys over at Avant......

My friend, it's only a matter of time

**Pepper** · 07-29-2003, 08:18 AM

TP,

Not to sound like DaMayor

but how quickly are orders shipping?

**Twin Peak** · 07-29-2003, 08:19 AM

You do dound like him.

Generally, they ship the same or next day.

**DaMayor** · 07-29-2003, 09:02 AM

Hey hey! Back off of DaMayor,would you? I can't help my enthusiasm, otherwise defined as "impatience" per TP.

You thinking about making a purchase, Pepper? I would strongly recommend it.....I think you would appreciate the appetite suppressant qualities, if nothing else.

**OceanDude** · 07-29-2003, 10:30 AM

How about some general questions before hand?

What are active ingredients, is it absolutely safe in humans and where was it tested?

**Twin Peak** · 07-29-2003, 11:44 AM

Originally posted by OceanDude
How about some general questions before hand?

What are active ingredients, is it absolutely safe in humans and where was it tested?

There are about forty or fifty, they are posted at Avant.

It is currently being tested on one guniea pig named DaMayor. And about 150 other people who have paid for it.

All ingredients are naturally occuring and found in normal supplements and foodstuffs.

Many are things like:

BCAAs
Galactose
Creatine
glutamine

and on and on.

It is the proprietary blend, and specific quantities that make it what it is.

**Freeman** · 07-29-2003, 12:40 PM

I'd love to try this stuff but just can't afford it right now. I'll be a guinea pig if you'd like

or I'll just take free samples hahaha god damn I hate being a broke-ass college student!

**Twin Peak** · 07-29-2003, 12:55 PM

Freebees have officially ended, but thanks for trying.

**Freeman** · 07-29-2003, 01:00 PM

haha gotta give it a shot

**OceanDude** · 07-29-2003, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by Twin Peak
There are about forty or fifty, they are posted at Avant.

It is currently being tested on one guniea pig named DaMayor. And about 150 other people who have paid for it.

All ingredients are naturally occuring and found in normal supplements and foodstuffs.

Many are things like:

BCAAs
Galactose
Creatine
glutamine

and on and on.

It is the proprietary blend, and specific quantities that make it what it is.

Sounds pretty basic then - no fancy thryoid hormonal precursors? And I am not so confident DaMayor counts as "Human"

**Twin Peak** · 07-29-2003, 02:47 PM

I suppose the ingredient list may be "basic" but it ain't anything "typical" or "average." Here is the full list:

http://www.avantlabs.com/product.php?productID=5

galactose
BCAA's
IP6
Betaine HCl
glucosamine HCl
Glutamine
creatine pyruvate
Lecithin
sodium acetate
histadine
arginine
Leucine
Taurine
Magnesium citrate
calcium lactate
n-acetyl-cysteine
d,l Phenylalanine
d-mannose
Acetyl-l-cartinine
n-acetyl-glucosamine
vitamin E acetate
l-carnitine
inositol
Glycine
salt (iodized, K+)
calcium pantothenate
Proline
Citrulline
n-acetyl-tyrosine
vit C/ascorbate
GABA
simmondsin
5-HTP
alpha lipoic aicd
synephrine
Zinc
folic acid 10% w/tmg
biotin 1%
selenomethionine

**OceanDude** · 07-29-2003, 02:58 PM

Thanks.
Reminds me of a super reincarnation of the old original formula "Hot Stuff" - everything but the kitchen sink. I find the inclusion of the following interesting:
histadine
n-acetyl-cysteine
d,l Phenylalanine
n-acetyl-glucosamine
n-acetyl-tyrosine
simmondsin
5-HTP
synephrine
selenomethionine

Will keep my eye out for published results.

**Twin Peak** · 07-29-2003, 03:12 PM

Please don't ever again compare it to hotstuff.

That took various supplements and chaotically threw them together, in insufficient doses, to produce the product.

These macro and micro nutrients were each individually selected, for a specific reason or reasons at a specific dosage to achieve specific results.

**Par Deus** · 07-29-2003, 06:13 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by OceanDude
Thanks.
Reminds me of a super reincarnation of the old original formula "Hot Stuff" - everything but the kitchen sink. I find the inclusion of the following interesting:

histadine

>>> Histamine precursor -- increases leptin sensitivity -- H1 antagonism prevents the effects of leptin on appetite and energy expenditure

n-acetyl-cysteine

>> Thiol -- necessary for cellular REDOX mediation, which is necesary for proper signal transduction (basically, keeps the oxidation from high cellular metabolism from shutting things down (to prevent cell damage)

d,l Phenylalanine

>>>> neurotransmitter precursor -- dopamine and endorphin systems -- signals the fed state, particularly in the CNS

n-acetyl-glucosamine

>>>> hexosamine pathway -- probably the stongest nutrient signalling pathway mediating leptin expression.

n-acetyl-tyrosine

>>> higher uptake version of tyrosine -- dopamine and NE precursor -- signals the fed state, particularly in the CNS

simmondsin

>>> works via CCK, which is synergistic with leptin, in regard to energy expenditure and appetite.

5-HTP

>>> serotonin precursor -- increases leptin

synephrine

>>> increases leptin sensitivity

selenomethionine

>>> thiol -- see NAC

**DaMayor** · 07-30-2003, 02:16 PM

Since nobody else said it....Thanks Par.

And Welcome to IM, by the way.

**Molehonea** · 07-31-2003, 07:31 AM

I am about 18% body fat. Will this help and is there any results from testing?

**DaMayor** · 07-31-2003, 07:45 AM

IMO, I think it would.

We're currently in the Beta testing mode.....check out my jounal. It's boring, but it might answer your questions.

**Par Deus** · 07-31-2003, 11:47 AM

People have only had it about 7-10 days, but we have collected quite a bit of the initial feedback here:

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/feedbac...hp?productID=5

**Jodi** · 07-31-2003, 04:59 PM

I can't find this answer and I'm not sure if its been asked so.

Is there any harm in mixing the LeptiGen in some crystal light the night before to be packed with my food and that way have it all ready to go?

**Par Deus** · 07-31-2003, 05:04 PM

That is fine.

**Pepper** · 07-31-2003, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by Jodi
I can't find this answer and I'm not sure if its been asked so.

Is there any harm in mixing the LeptiGen in some crystal light the night before to be packed with my food and that way have it all ready to go?

Good question...I have one too...are there any supps that should not be taken with LeptiGen? Specifically ephedra?

**Jodi** · 07-31-2003, 05:23 PM

Pepper did you order some?

BTW - Ab-solved Rocks!

**Pepper** · 07-31-2003, 05:26 PM

I did. Drinking my second portion right now.

I am ordering Ab-solved for my wife. I think she is exactly the person it is made for. If it works, I will be "THE MAN" around here! I am still a little far away to expect Ab-solved to do me much good.

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