Thread: T-100 vs 1-AD vs all the others.. which one is best

1-ad is converted into 1-test in the body. T-100 is already 1-test and needs no conversion. Both are good products, even though T-100 did not work me as good as 1-ad, others have had better results.

Originally posted by camarosuper6
I was using 1-AD with excellent results (8 lbs in about 3 weeks).
When I went dry on the AD, I decided to finish up my 5 - 6 week cycle with T-100 from SAN, having heard good things about it.

Now what exactly is the diffence between the two, other than the delivery of the 1-Test into the body. Anyone feel one is superior, and anyone know anything really on t-100?

Thanks
Next time try a longer cycle(maybe 6-8 weeks).U might get better results.stack it with some 1-test

Actually cycles of 4-6 weeks have shown to be optimum. Cycles of 8 weeks or longer actually suppress natural test too much and recovery takes alot longer. Receptors usually won't respond any more after 4-6 weeks, so you are wasting money! Your best bet is to get recovery as fast as possible to be ready to start another cycle.

what did you find worked better than either of those two supplements??

transdermals give better results.

Do you apply transdermals before ,during or after training? What if you have a kid,does it come off on everything?Tks

Transdermals are applied every 12 hours. It is a good idea to cover up after it is dried if you have kids. It can get into eyes and mucus membranes.

Alot of people do get better results from 1-AD than from 1-Test (even though it makes no sense really), unless they use either transdermal 1-Test or Liposomal 1-Test. In those cases, 1-Test is superior.

I don't know much here so gotta ask guys.Do transdermals have similar side effects as orals or nil? They must be better that orals that need to be ingested and go all the way through the system,right? And do you put it on before bed?Tks

Originally posted by kdwa1
I don't know much here so gotta ask guys.Do transdermals have similar side effects as orals or nil? They must be better that orals that need to be ingested and go all the way through the system,right? And do you put it on before bed?Tks

Liposomal products are just as good as transdermals and alot easier to deal with.

Not arguing about Liposomal's efficency, but they are still filtered by the liver where dermals are not. I would say transdermals are not as toxic or hard on the liver. But by getting more % of PH in your system, it may act quicker on your HPTA and shut natural test down quicker.

Thanks Gp but I'm not sure what a Liposomal product is assuming it's an oral.Is there any online definition guide for all this stuff?
Sometimes 1AD can make us irritable- edgy etc.Do transdermals do this?
I finished a three week 1 AD cycle the other day.Took a few days off then did only 100mg.Had an incredible strength rush.Good workout.But a bit heavy on the brain sometimes.It's like this inner pressure thing.Could be a combo of various supps I suppose. Lots of AD products to choose from.

Liposomal is the delivery method VPX uses.

Mike

The intent of a liposomal product is that it goes through the barrier under the tongue, which is very thin skin and easier to penetrate than other areas.

In a way it is (in theory) a lot like a transdernal as it is intended not to be oral but intended to skip the first pass of the liver and get directly into the system.

It is no more viable a delivery system than transdermal, althought the FDA has seemed to not care about this.

Query if it is because they haven't taken notice, or because they don't believe it actually does penetration the skin.

Personally I have my doubts whether the "liposomal" systems which GP speaks actually work by penetrating the barrier. Rather I believe that they work orally, as you swallow the liquid.

Honestly, I don not fully understand the science behind this, but to my knowledge, the cyclo fizz type products are the only ones that will actually penetrate the tongue barrier.

Transdermals (and true liposomals) are essentially the same as oral except the will have a greater bioavailability since they skip the first pass of the liver.

Transdermals (though not true liposomals) also have a longer half life as they pentrate the skin slowly over the course of a half day. So you would want to take an oral 3-4 times daily to keep blood levels constant.

This may help a little...

Liposomally encased nutrients or drugs are often far more effective than other delivery applications, especially in the case of pro hormones. For example, the complex lipid spheres (liposomes) that encapsulate pro hormone molecules are 45 to 55 times smaller than the diameter of human hair and thus allow for a 97+% absorption rate via the body’s lymphatic system and mucosa tissue. This specialized system and tissue are the gateway to transport selective vesicles like lipids from outside of the body directly into the bloodstream to avoid first pass liver degradation. These encapsulated pro hormone containing spheres flow directly to the heart and are dispersed throughout the entire vascular system within seconds. As each layer of the lipid (liposome) melts away, pro hormones, isoflavones and/or other nutrients encased within these micorspheres are dispersed steadily (steady state) for a period of 20 hours!

Even though liposomes are absorbed better than injected compounds, the true phenomena, medically known as pharmacokinetics is what converts isoflavones, pro hormones, ephedra alkaloids, arylethylene-alpha-pyrone and 7,8, Kavain dihydro into super potent phytomedicines. Although the definition of pharmacokenetics does include absorption, the distribution and duration of action of the active ingredients once already absorbed into the bloodstream specifically determines how a substance can induce specific physiological responses such as, muscle growth, rapid fat loss, strength increases, age reversal, etc.

For example, liposomally delivered pro hormones in total daily milligram amounts of 250 to 350+ enter into the blood intact at a value of 97+%, and sustain plasma hormone concentrations for 20+ hour: Consequently, utilizing a multiple daily doses has a geometric effect (before the last dose has dissipated two additional doses are administered) that results in: 1) sustained supraphysiological plasma concentrations of testosterone and nortestosterone and 2) accrual of muscle mass and rapid loss of bodyfat. These biochemical events have strikingly similar pharmacokinetics to the sustained dispersion and geometric accumulation of androgens in the blood that occurs when athletes inject oil base steroids i.e. before the initial injection is metabolized another injection is administered.

Seems like more people would rant and rave on the liposomal products, if they really worked this well.

ONE and friends owned the boards, solely because of word of mouth/user feedback -- there never was and never has been the case with the liposomal products, and they have a ton of advertising behind them.

I am not one to debate the science of ph's and their delivery system, but I would like to see 50mg per day of transdermal 1-test produce the results of 50mg liposomal 1-test. In my own experience 1 gram of liposomal 1-test gave better results than 6grams of transdermal 1-test. Also, I have many friends/customers who prefer liposomal over transdermal.

Originally posted by bigswole30
I am not one to debate the science of ph's and their delivery system, but I would like to see 50mg per day of transdermal 1-test produce the results of 50mg liposomal 1-test. In my own experience 1 gram of liposomal 1-test gave better results than 6grams of transdermal 1-test. Also, I have many friends/customers who prefer liposomal over transdermal.

I would have to agree with Par on this. 1g vs. 6g is a mighty statement. Not saying it is not true because I have no idea. But I believe the same thing. If it was this good, you would have people on every board ranting on how good it was and this is just not the case. Maybe it is still too early? Time will tell.

Well the problem I see with liposomal ph's is the cost. They do not fit in everyone's budget. That said, I did have better gains with VPX 1-test Prop than I did with a custom trans from 1fast that had six grams of 1-test. I am not sure how many mg that was per day, but it was a 4 week cycle. I would like to see a head to head comparison of 50mg per day of each for 6 weeks. Most transdermals give about 200-400mg per day.

Originally posted by Par Deus
Seems like more people would rant and rave on the liposomal products, if they really worked this well.

ONE and friends owned the boards, solely because of word of mouth/user feedback -- there never was and never has been the case with the liposomal products, and they have a ton of advertising behind them.

People hate to give props to VPX because they are disliked by many of the other top dogs of other companies. VPX is the leader in Liposomal prohormones and they work incredibly well. Yes, transdermals get excellent feedback...no doubt...but so does Liposomals. Our "re-buys" of our prohormones are tremendous, and even though VPX costs a little more, people are so thrilled with the results, they just keep buying. I know, because I see every email that comes into this company!

VPX is growing by leaps and bounds, and although they have many awesome products, they are doing it on the backs of their prohormones.

Eric, are VPX part of the USFA?

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Eric, are VPX part of the USFA?

I am not Eric, but the answer is no. There was a thread a/b this a while back. It explained in detail why VPX decided not be to be part of the USFA. After seeing what the USFA has become I do not blame them.

I just finished my second bottle of the best supplement I 've ever taken. Extreme 24/7, which has the ingredients like the t-100, 1ad, mad 10 and even the T-BOL (5 alpha, and the 1,4 andro). I am stonger than ever before and more ripped then I ever thought I could get. If you are debating between the 1 AD or the T-100, try the EXtreme 24/7 because it has it all in one. By the way, the price went from $65 to $79 even on the inernet.

Originally posted by The_Chicken_Daddy
Eric, are VPX part of the USFA?

From bigswole:
I am not Eric, but the answer is no. There was a thread a/b this a while back. It explained in detail why VPX decided not be to be part of the USFA. After seeing what the USFA has become I do not blame them.

From gopro:
I am Eric, and (what bigswole said...)

I just about agree that the USFA has went from one side to the other. They did not have the support of everyone they needed. And I don't necessarily agree with giving up everthing to save a few. I thought the idea was suppose to be to save everything, not just two. And I don't want to hear the crap about they will get it all anyway. Let's fight it all or nothing!