New to 1-AD, need help

**NJ-Surfer** · 09-09-2003, 06:29 AM

I have decide to try a prohormone. I purchased 2 bottles (120 caps) of Ergopharms 1-AD and my plan is to take 1 cap 3 times a day for 4 weeks, then off for another 4 weeks. I hope to continue this cycle for six months (alternating 1 month on 1 off). I have read a lot about stacking with other prohormones, is this necessary? Can I just do the 1-AD and not have to worry about estrogen production or do I need to take something to block the production of estrogen? The manufacturer claims that 1-AD can not be converted to estrogens. How common are hair loss, acne, and urination problems. What are the warning signs that I should quit using 1-AD? Any other info for a prohormone newboe would be helpful.

Thanks in advance!!

**NateH** · 09-09-2003, 08:55 AM

Well, how old are you, and what are your stats, then I will be more than happy to give you the information I have, and what the side effects can and possibly will be.

**NJ-Surfer** · 09-09-2003, 08:58 AM

I am 35 yrs old, 6'2" and 185 lbs. I lift on a Mon, Wed, Friday schedule that I have been following for about a year. I try to change up my routine about once a month and eat a high protein 2500-3000 calorie diet per day. Use whey protein and no other suppliments other than a multivitamin

**NateH** · 09-09-2003, 09:08 AM

Well, the known side effects are these:

1. Upset stomach, gastro pains
2. Lowered sexdrive, libido
3. Increased urination, and some may have a little painful urination at times.

Most stack 1-AD with 4- androdiol (Not androstenedione) They do this because they fear loss of libido. Most people who have used 1-AD alone report that they couldn't "get it up." I would reccomend that you get something for post cycle, if you do stack it. 6-oxo. Good Luck! And try to keep that diet up in cals if you want to gain weight.

**Erik D.** · 09-09-2003, 10:27 AM

damn....is it all really worth it?

**NJ-Surfer** · 09-09-2003, 10:55 AM

So let me see if I have this right. If I take 1 cap of 1-AD three times a day I may lose my libido (AKA Mr. Softy). As a result I can stack in 4-androdiol to "keep up" the sex drive, but when I come off a cycle I will need 6-oxo to stop the estorgen produced from the 4-androdiol. As that right? Has anyone had success with this regime if so how much of each do I take and when?? Would it be best to try the 1-AD alone for starters and then stack if I have problems??

**slowpain** · 09-09-2003, 04:57 PM

I took 1-AD and 4-AD for 4 weeks on and 4 weeks off and back on 4 with good results. You will need 6-oxo or even better clomid after your cycle. I took clomid after and worked better I think.

**mrguy** · 09-09-2003, 07:35 PM

slowpain

How long did you take the clomid?

I just finished a rather long cycle of 1-test and 4-ad. I've been taking 6-oxo and Omifin Clomid.

I'm at 6 tabs of the 6 oxo and 2 tabs of the 50mg clomid ED. I was planning on doing this for 2 to 3 weeks.

Can clomid cause insomnia? I've had a wicked case of it since I stopped cycle and started the post cycle.

**NJ-Surfer** · 09-09-2003, 07:55 PM

Can I take just the 1-AD and do monthly cycles on and off without stacking or using 6-oxo between cycles. I've read that not everyone has libido problems. This will be my first time using prohormones so I would like to avoid getting too complicated with stacks and anti-estrogens if thats possible. What would be the down side to just using the 1-AD alone???

**kdwa1** · 09-09-2003, 10:26 PM

I took it for a month alone and it worked very well but I did lose my sex drive a bit,no big deal,it's workin fine now.I think the 6-oxo helps post 1-AD because it elevates the natural testerone levels and you don't crash so hard after a load.You dont need to worry about estrogen levels on 1-AD.I suggest reading a bit more on it. I haven't tried the 6-oxo but plan to get some to smooth out the post and may stack 1-Ad with 4-AD in the future.Give the first round a solo and see how you feel.I'm new to pro-hormones also but really love the effect.
I think Pro-HGH is avery good product also for us older guys.Alot of positive benefits.

**TheGreatSatan** · 09-10-2003, 12:35 AM

Also, 1-AD will make you very hungry. When you are feed on protein. You may find yourself tackling cows and bitting them.

**NJ-Surfer** · 09-10-2003, 06:00 AM

Thanks for all the replys!! I will try the 1-AD solo for 6 weeks on and 8 weeks off (that seems to be the safest and most effective regime from what I have read). I will also use the 6-oxo during the off cycle to help restore my natural Testosterone levels. I plan to start off with 1 cap 3X/day for 300mg dose. I may slowly increase to 600mg/day if needed. What is the proper dose and duration for 6-oxo if I do a 6 week on 8 week off 1-AD cycle??

**ZECH** · 09-10-2003, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by NJ-Surfer
What is the proper dose and duration for 6-oxo if I do a 6 week on 8 week off 1-AD cycle??

2 caps three times a day for 6 weeks

**kdwa1** · 09-10-2003, 08:56 AM

Good plan,your all set.Let us know how it goes.I liked your month on off cycle also.Try it and be a bit flex on dosage and duration.Rockin

**wraith** · 09-11-2003, 12:15 PM

vitrix seems to keep my natural test levels up however i take it all the way through my 1 tu cycle to stop the sex drive loss that does happen ,if you take prohormones youre going to lose your sex drive its just part of it ,anytime you force your body to make unnatural test levels your natural levels are gonna go down ...

**NJ-Surfer** · 09-11-2003, 07:34 PM

You take the Vitrix while your on and off the cycle?? So if I do 6 weeks on 8 weeks off you would suggest to take the Vitrix for all 14 weeks. What is the daily dose of Vitrix and are there any side effects?? Thanks for the info!!

**wraith** · 09-12-2003, 10:39 AM

no i would just take it for like the last two weeks of the cycle ,the only reason i do is because i only cycle it for three weeks on two weeks off with 1 tu ,there are no side effects that i can mention unless you call libido super power a bad side effect my girlfriend loves it so i guess its a good thing lol,german tribulus 1000mg ,take three in the morning three in the after noon , take six on workout days and or an hour before sex

**kdwa1** · 09-12-2003, 11:04 AM

Sounds interesting Wraith,Got a manufacturer name for vitrix? I definitely lost my sex drive on 1-AD but actually it was nice to take a break.I'd certainly like to keep it up in the future though.

**wraith** · 09-13-2003, 12:55 PM

nutrex research makes it ,along with the single best prohormone out ,1 tu ,of course thats just my opinion ,im sure others would disagree

**ZECH** · 09-13-2003, 01:24 PM

I think 1-tu is reputable.

**kdwa1** · 09-13-2003, 10:55 PM

Thanks ,I'll check it out.

**samat631** · 02-22-2004, 09:17 AM

1-tu the best?! i would think maybe m1-t but that of course has alot of sides...

**Prince** · 02-22-2004, 09:20 AM

1-AD = Prohormone
M1T = Steroid

If I were going to use 1-AD (which I would not bother) I would use Ergopharm.

**Trap-isaurus** · 02-22-2004, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by NJ-Surfer
Can I take just the 1-AD and do monthly cycles on and off without stacking or using 6-oxo between cycles. I've read that not everyone has libido problems. This will be my first time using prohormones so I would like to avoid getting too complicated with stacks and anti-estrogens if thats possible. What would be the down side to just using the 1-AD alone???

Taken 1-AD didn't affect my sex drive...the bonus or big selling point of 1-AD is that there is no gyno, therefore 6-oxo and clomid are not needed as these are estrogen inhibitors (they do kick start the body's natural test production).

**criticalmass_12** · 02-23-2004, 07:40 AM

I have cycled 1-TU twice 6 weeks both times. First u need anti est, u will get gyno IF NOT, in most cases

secondly,

1-TU will surpress your sex drive to the max, it is powerful, but truthfully, I found it lacking with results with more sides. I too thought it was amazing...till I did two cycles, found out otherwise..but that is just my 2 cents

im now doing M1T (UL version). Much better, 2 on 2 off 2 on 3 off with 6 0x0.

looken good.

**samat631** · 02-23-2004, 12:43 PM

what about that m-ad stuff? can u stack that with m-1t?

**Power Rabbit** · 02-23-2004, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by samat631
what about that m-ad stuff? can u stack that with m-1t?

i wouldnt...17aa's stacked make the liver cry...mus less die...hey that rhymes!!

**samat631** · 02-23-2004, 01:43 PM

which one do u like better?

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