Thread: vpx stack?

Originally posted by odin52
would 1-test and syngex II make a good stack? if so what product is better 1-test cyp or lipo?

Yes, that would make an excellent stack for both lean muscle gain and muscle hardness. The best 1-Test is the cypionate, but the 1-Test PCE is extremely effective as well.

thanks I was hoping that would be the case. Which 1-test is most cost effective?

Originally posted by odin52
thanks I was hoping that would be the case. Which 1-test is most cost effective?

Definitely the PCE. The cyp is pretty expensive.

Originally posted by gopro
Definitely the PCE. The cyp is pretty expensive.

GP,

What do you feel is the main benefit of the CYP over the PCE. I know the CYP increases duration and keeps it active longer, but the PCE is also pretty effective at the same. When it comes to IM administration I know the benefit of the CYP, but what about orally?

Mostly length of activity. You will get an accumulation effect with the cyps even orally. Your blood level will continually build with use, allowing you to a) use shorter cycles b) use less c) stack with other prosteroids and not take the cyps ED, but EOD.

Whats the active in Syngex?

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Whats the active in Syngex?

Yo TP...Olympia soon!

Anyway, it is:

17-beta-Hydroxy-5alpha-Androst-1-ene-3-one propylcarbonate ester

and

4-androstene-3,17 propylcarbonate ester

That is Syngex I...do you want to know about II?

GP,

I am training a guy who wants to do a cycle of 1-t/4-T cyp. This is his first PH cycle and he weighs 165. Could I just have him alternate the 1-t/4-t cyps? For example:

Day 1 1ml 1-t cyp
Day 2 1ml 4-t cyp
Day 3 1ml 1-t cyp
Day 4 1ml 4-t cyp

and so on...... At his size will this dosage be sufficient? I know Troy said this alternating patern would work, but I have not heard any feedback from people that did it this way.

Originally posted by bigswole30
GP,

I am training a guy who wants to do a cycle of 1-t/4-T cyp. This is his first PH cycle and he weighs 165. Could I just have him alternate the 1-t/4-t cyps? For example:

Day 1 1ml 1-t cyp
Day 2 1ml 4-t cyp
Day 3 1ml 1-t cyp
Day 4 1ml 4-t cyp

and so on...... At his size will this dosage be sufficient? I know Troy said this alternating patern would work, but I have not heard any feedback from people that did it this way.

WHy would you do this? Basically, you are alternating oral/liposomal; 1-test and 4-diol. It doesn't stay in teh body long enough.

Unless you are injecting....

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GP, how does II compare?

Why would you stack syngex with your 1-test product?

Yeah, the big O is around the corner and I am quite pumped. Lets trade some samples, cuz I'd like to try Redline, if you bring it, and the GH product, if its ready.

Well, TP I buy into VPX's hype about the polylipid delivery system and the cyp ester prolonging the effect even when taken orally. When the CYPs first came out a gentlemen that works for VPX, not GP BTW, showed me his actual bloodwork from his cyp cycle. His hormone levels were still elevated several weeks post cycle. What does this mean? VPX is on to something that nobody else is,
GP you know the guy I am talking about.

Unless the 30 hours they mention is half life, I would not like that rotating either. Blood levels will be too much up and down.

Originally posted by bigswole30
Well, TP I buy into VPX's hype about the polylipid delivery system and the cyp ester prolonging the effect even when taken orally. When the CYPs first came out a gentlemen that works for VPX, not GP BTW, showed me his actual bloodwork from his cyp cycle. His hormone levels were still elevated several weeks post cycle. What does this mean? VPX is on to something that nobody else is,
GP you know the guy I am talking about.

It means he wasn't taking it orally.

agreed..........

Originally posted by bigswole30
Well, TP I buy into VPX's hype about the polylipid delivery system and the cyp ester prolonging the effect even when taken orally. When the CYPs first came out a gentlemen that works for VPX, not GP BTW, showed me his actual bloodwork from his cyp cycle. His hormone levels were still elevated several weeks post cycle. What does this mean? VPX is on to something that nobody else is,
GP you know the guy I am talking about.

Yes I know who you are talking about. Yes you can use the alternating pattern with the CYPS, but not the PCEs. The cyps WILL accumulate in the bloodstream even when used orally. Other blood samples done here...jeez these guys are always drawing blood...show that blood levels of the cyps remain high after up to 2 weeks after usage has stopped!

Originally posted by Twin Peak

GP, how does II compare?

Why would you stack syngex with your 1-test product?

Yeah, the big O is around the corner and I am quite pumped. Lets trade some samples, cuz I'd like to try Redline, if you bring it, and the GH product, if its ready.

Syngex II:

4, 17 beta-dihydroxy-4-androstene-3-one PCE
1,4 Androstediene-3, 17 PCE
19 Nor 4-Androstene PCE

I would not stack 1-Test with Syngex I, but I would with Syngex II

I will definitely visit your booth. And I will see what samples I can get you.

Yeah, I'll come by VPX as well.

That's certainly an interesting mix of hormones.

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Yeah, I'll come by VPX as well.

That's certainly an interesting mix of hormones.

It seems to have an amazing hardeing effect. Interestingly, the 4-HT cyp is proving to be an very potent physique definer. Tony Freeman, VPXs pro athlete, is now about 12-15 lbs bigger than at the NOC and even harder! When I asked him what he is doing different he said, "its amazing bro...the only thing I did was add in some 4-HT cyp and my body just got like rock!"

GP,

So 1ml for each dose will be enough? The guy has never touched a prohormone or anything hormonal for that fact.

The 4-HT CYP sounds crazy. I may to add that to my FinigenX and methyl 1,4ad cycle. It sounds like a better pre-contest ph than Xenabol(5aa). When I used Xenabol before I literally could not pinch any skin from my body. It was unreal, so I know the 4-ht must be the bomb.

If he has never touched a PH than 1cc of each should work nicely, especially if he is under 200 lbs.

As for the 4-HT, yes, I think it is really promising stuff. I am thinking that a stack of EQ, Xenabol, and 4-HT would be a crazy pre-contest stack!!

so if you are under 200lbs 1 dose of 1cc a day of 1-test cyp would be enough to see results?

man thats alot of 1's

Originally posted by odin52
man thats alot of 1's

LOL

I think that 1 cc per day of just 1-Test is a little light. For some decent gains I would rather see someone use 1cc of both 1-test and 4-test each day. But, we have heard from some people that did gain muscle on just small amounts of 1-Test.

thanks for the advice, I think I will go with the pce. this is my first 1-test product so I should see good results.

Originally posted by odin52
thanks for the advice, I think I will go with the pce. this is my first 1-test product so I should see good results.

Good luck!!

Hey GP!!!

Troy (?) is looking quite "Jacked" these days! What is the stack you say he's taking??

Originally posted by david
Hey GP!!!

Troy (?) is looking quite "Jacked" these days! What is the stack you say he's taking??

Good question. I exchanged a few emails with him the other day, but did not ask. I know he said he just finished top 5 in NGA pro show.

All I can say is for his height... his naturalness and build is quite impressive! He's there at 6:00 am before I am and he's sometimes there at night as well! He works out freaking hard!

Originally posted by david
Hey GP!!!

Troy (?) is looking quite "Jacked" these days! What is the stack you say he's taking??

He is jacked and quite natural too. He just made top 5 at a very difficult NGA pro show out in Kansas. He was not the biggest guy there, but he was the most shredded! He is 6'2" tall and weighed in at 212-214. He looks just awesome!

He steadily uses Methoxygen, and also used the 1-Test and 4-Test cyp for his show, and I think the EQ as well. Mostly he just works his ass off in the gym and diets real well. He had a "guru" working with him on diet, along with me throwing the occasional 2 cents at him.

He is taking time off now from competing to gain more size. Most importantly, he is one of the nicest and coolest guys you could ever meet!