ergopharm 1-AD

**BcHawk_99** · 09-21-2003, 08:14 AM

i have been reading alot on this erogpharm 1-AD and also my gym carries the stuff.is it all that it is hyped up to be.would it pack on good muscle.i have been taking cell tech and animal stak for sometime now and want to give my body something different.would this be a good muscle building supplement and would it pack on the muscle fast as close as to being a steroid from what i heard.

**Pepper** · 09-21-2003, 11:05 AM

I've been taking it a couple of weeks...here are my thoughts....

Pepper's 1-AD Trial

**gopro** · 09-22-2003, 08:18 AM

Ergopharm 1-AD is a good product, period. It works well for almost all that use it and does not carry many side effects for most. However, it is inferior to 1-Test products as 1-AD must convert to 1-Test in the body to be effective. I say, go with 1-Test and skip the conversion process. However, if you choose 1-AD, you still should enjoy results.

**kdwa1** · 09-22-2003, 08:54 AM

Hi Gopro,Can you recommend a good oral 1-Test other than VPX? Tks!

**gopro** · 09-22-2003, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by kdwa1
Hi Gopro,Can you recommend a good oral 1-Test other than VPX? Tks!

No I can't! Well, I can, but I feel bad b/c I know VPX is the best there is! Oh well, here are some lesser, but quality brands to choose from.

PROMATRIX TESTABOL
MOLECULAR T-1 ETHERGELS
SAN T-100
SYNTRAX SAUCE

**oaktownboy** · 09-22-2003, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by gopro
No I can't! Well, I can, but I feel bad b/c I know VPX is the best there is! Oh well, here are some lesser, but quality brands to choose from.

**kdwa1** · 09-22-2003, 11:04 AM

Thanks,but don't worry I'll check out VPX,I promise.Do they have an oral? I thought it's all transdermal..
Haven't heard much good about sauce.I think Molecular and San are interesting.Tks

**gopro** · 09-22-2003, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by kdwa1
Thanks,but don't worry I'll check out VPX,I promise.Do they have an oral? I thought it's all transdermal..
Haven't heard much good about sauce.I think Molecular and San are interesting.Tks

VPX is all oral liquids! We have 1-Test PCE and 1-Test cyp. They are liposomal polylipid delivery...the best in the industry!

**gopro** · 09-22-2003, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by oaktownboy

**BcHawk_99** · 09-22-2003, 04:07 PM

so are you saying the vpx 1-test is better than the 1-ad.im just trying to find a product that would work the best for my money.although 1-ad is available at my gym.i acn never find the vpx 1-test anywhere.i live in canada.any suggestions.

**kdwa1** · 09-22-2003, 09:38 PM

Thanks Gopro,
Looks like good product but a bit pricey for me.1fast 400 has a 1-Test powder,tried it? Any good? $4.00 per gram Tks

**oaktownboy** · 09-22-2003, 09:40 PM

the good shit will always be pricey dawg

**oaktownboy** · 09-22-2003, 09:40 PM

VPX makes quality products, straight up, huh GP?

**gopro** · 09-23-2003, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by oaktownboy
VPX makes quality products, straight up, huh GP?

They really do. I was paying their prices loooong before working for them. I never would buy direct from their website (they would kill me if they knew I said that), but from a discounter like dpsnutrition.

You get what you pay for in this biz!

**gopro** · 09-23-2003, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by BcHawk_99
so are you saying the vpx 1-test is better than the 1-ad.im just trying to find a product that would work the best for my money.although 1-ad is available at my gym.i acn never find the vpx 1-test anywhere.i live in canada.any suggestions.

Most 1-Test is better than 1-AD. VPX is the best 1-Test out there, but if you can't get it, you can go with one of those I mentioned above.

**gopro** · 09-23-2003, 09:05 AM

Originally posted by kdwa1
Thanks Gopro,
Looks like good product but a bit pricey for me.1fast 400 has a 1-Test powder,tried it? Any good? $4.00 per gram Tks

Never tried any powdered forms. I like my stuff encapsulated or prepared for me without hassle. Delivery systems are very important with prohormones and its hard to prepare yourself what other companies do in a real lab with real chemists.

That said, 1fast is very very reputable in terms of their products and service.

**kdwa1** · 09-23-2003, 11:18 AM

Thanks Go Pro I'll check out DPS for pricing and defnitely consider.I trust your judgement.
I have one important question.Are u worried about the changes in your LDL cholesterol level when on Pro Hormones? And when off cycle do we recover normal levels quickly?Tks again

**ZECH** · 09-23-2003, 11:26 AM

Originally posted by kdwa1
Thanks Gopro,
Looks like good product but a bit pricey for me.1fast 400 has a 1-Test powder,tried it? Any good? $4.00 per gram Tks

The 1-test base is meant to be put in a gel for transdermal use!

**Twin Peak** · 09-23-2003, 11:33 AM

Although you could drink it.

**gopro** · 09-23-2003, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by kdwa1
Thanks Go Pro I'll check out DPS for pricing and defnitely consider.I trust your judgement.
I have one important question.Are u worried about the changes in your LDL cholesterol level when on Pro Hormones? And when off cycle do we recover normal levels quickly?Tks again

If you stick to a clean diet while on prohormones with EFAs and clean carbs and proteins, you shouldn't see much of a change in your HDL/LDL. However, once off the cycle your body should quickly restore its balance. I like short cycles of PH/PS so that any negative change in bloodwork can be quickly restored and will not cause much of a negative impact. The longer you "compromise" your system, the better chance the possible side effects can "take hold" and cause damage.

**kdwa1** · 09-23-2003, 09:35 PM

Great info GoPro,When you say short cycle,How long are we talking about? I'm starting my next cycle on Sunday using Twin Peaks carb cycling this time and diet is CLEAN.
I usually go for a month on month off and don't go for high dosages.Suggestions? Tks Appreciate

**ZECH** · 09-24-2003, 06:44 AM

4 weeks is a good cycle.

**gopro** · 09-24-2003, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by dg806
4 weeks is a good cycle.

As dg points out, 4 weeks is a good length. 6 weeks is maximum in my book.

**Twin Peak** · 09-24-2003, 08:16 AM

I agree with gopro, most of the people who do cycles longer than 6 weeks, find little additional gains, plus the recovery time will be longer.

**Pepper** · 09-24-2003, 09:12 AM

I am going to start decreasing 1-ad in the fifth week while beginning 6-oxo. At the end of week 5, I will be off 1-ad...how long should I continue 6-oxo?

This thread has been a huge help to me, you guys are great!

**Tank316** · 09-24-2003, 09:14 AM

Just a few words. Its nice to see that all you guys[TP,DG,GP] are working together to provide info on the PH's, its use, the do's the dont's. thats cool.

that is all

**Twin Peak** · 09-24-2003, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by Pepper
I am going to start decreasing 1-ad in the fifth week while beginning 6-oxo. At the end of week 5, I will be off 1-ad...how long should I continue 6-oxo?

This thread has been a huge help to me, you guys are great!

Its not worth decreasing, as gains will cease and your own test levels will not begin to rebound. Drop it cold turkey and run 6-oxo for 2-3 weeks depending on your dose.

**ZECH** · 09-24-2003, 09:35 AM

6-oxo @ 600mg a day with evening meal........................(I know this will come up)

**Pepper** · 09-24-2003, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by dg806
6-oxo @ 600mg a day with evening meal........................(I know this will come up)

you got it...nice anticipation

**kdwa1** · 09-24-2003, 10:44 AM

Great feedback guys.I appreciate some of the top players responding.
How about doing a 1-AD 6 OXO stack,then after cycle ends continue with the 6 OXO for a couple more weeks? Off completely for two weeks and cycle again.Sound feasible? Also considering the 1-test to replace the AD after I run out.Tks

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