NO2 Exposed!

TheGreatSatan · 09-28-2003, 10:42 PM

I've seen lots of positive feedback about NO2, but because of the expense, i've stayed away. I mean, the cheapest I've been able to find the stuff for is $45, for a one month supply. That's a pure and utter rip-off, especially how it costs them a few bucks on the bottle to produce, probably less because of the bulk they do it in.

Well, anywayz I decided to take a look at what the stuff really is...

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Supplement Facts:
Serving Per Container: 60
Serving Size 3 Caplets
Amount Per Serving
Arginine alpha-Ketoglutarate 3000 mg

Inactive Ingredients:
MRI's exclusive pHyser3 delivery system formulation consists of calcium phosphate, cellulose ethers and composites, and magnesium steartate.

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All the supplement really is the amino acid arginine.

This seems remarkably familiar to the story we all know too well, of ZMA - the overpriced mineral combo.

What about the magical pHyser3 delivery system? Here's MRI says about it:

quote:
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The secret of the continuous surge of blood lies in NO2's exclusive nitric oxide extended-release delivery system pHyser3™.

Until the creation of extended-release delivery system, generating and maintaining nitric oxide levels was impossible. The body literally "dissolved" any agent or substance that could help generate nitric oxide inside the body. Now, with NO2's pH-corrected, body-compatible delivery system, the human body is able to fully "accept" the nitric oxide delivery agent. And even better...

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Most of that is pure crap. How would Viagra work if this were true? Viagra works by increasing Nitric Oxide levels in the body. However, not all of the MRI (the makers of NO2) claims are false. The stomach's PH levels can interfere with the process. Viagra took care of this by adding a citrate to their product (viagra = sildenafil citrate).

And anyways, the ingredients they used are all common fillers found in most bargain brand vitamins.

I find it funny, the way they call their delivery 'pHyser3', and the maker of Viagra is Pfizer (same pronunciation).

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So i've told you how overpriced NO2 is, but I also told you that there are positive responses for the stuff. Quite the dilemma, eh? Well, not to worry amigos, because I have the answer: A HOMEMADE NO2.

How are we going to homemake this stuff you ask? Well, we have two things to look at. First, the arginine.

So far, the cheapest yet highest quality argnine i've found is the one made by a company called "Now". They come in 120 capsule bottles of 1000 mg. arginine caps.

To achieve the doseage of NO2, you would have to take 3 tablets of this stuff twice daily, so that's 6 caps per day. This stuff comes in a 120 cap. bottle, so that's a 20 day supply. But NO2 comes in a 30 day supply! Oh no. You have to buy two bottles of Now's arginine. The cheapest I've seen this stuff go for is $10.80 per bottle. So for a one month supply, you spend a little more than $15, and you still have 60 caps left over.
(Note - bodybuilding.com doesn't sell the stuff made by now, but they do have 500 mg. caps made by ultimate nutrition - http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/un/argini.html

(******* sells the now one w/ FREE shipping)

Actually, b/c NO2 has a more high absorbed form of Arginine than pure arginine, i'd recommend a higher doseage if your taking it pure. Somewhere around 10-15 grams per day

Next, the 'delivery' system. The best way to take care of this is to take your arginine with a glass of OJ. The OJ will adjust your stomach pH levels to the levels they need to be at, and the sugar will help raise insulin levels with will increase the argnine uptake.

camarosuper6 · 09-28-2003, 11:05 PM

Good Post. Ive heard that N02 is junk as well.

Testosterone · 09-29-2003, 09:15 AM

Try Universal Nutrition NOX3 instead. It's cheaper and more powerful too!
Get it from www.massnutrition.com
OR
www.dpsnutrition.com

X Ring · 09-29-2003, 09:16 AM

Now if you get arginine in its pure form and take like 7 to 8 capsules a day how would that be absorption be closer to what you get from NO2? When should you take this stuff, 45 min before lifting like NO2 or part before you lift and some another time during the day? Also what about creatine with it. NO2 says to stop creatine 10 days before for you take it and dont start creatine again until you are on it for i think 10 days. Thank you for the post and sorry for all of the questions.
Gary

wraith · 09-29-2003, 11:07 AM

no2 sucks dick

X Ring · 09-29-2003, 11:11 AM

alright so does it suck b/c it doesnt work period or b/c it cost too much? Is it even worth it to just buy the arginine like Satan said or not even at that price? Even with the NOX3 being more powerful and cheaper is this worth it?
Gary

bigswole30 · 09-29-2003, 11:16 AM

I am enjoyinf the effects from PharmagenX NitrogenX. I am taking 12-16cc per day which gives me about 6 grams of L-Arginine AKG. I think thsi another example of the benefots of the liposomal delivery system.

**dg806** · 09-29-2003, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheGreatSatan
I've seen lots of positive feedback about NO2

Really? Where? I have seen none.

tk... · 09-29-2003, 01:36 PM

i have tried No2, and let me tell u that it doens't work..mostly hype then anything else

wraith · 09-29-2003, 01:45 PM

it sucks because it only makes you look bigger after you work out but when your pump goes away youre still the same ,plus its 80 dollars at the gnc when you can get some 1 tu for that at my gym and it does work

TheGreatSatan · 09-29-2003, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
Really? Where? I have seen none.

Another forum.

Idiots.

topolo · 09-30-2003, 12:46 AM

I tried it for 2 months and saw no results

**I Are Baboon** · 09-30-2003, 07:49 AM

So you all are basically saying NO2 is nothing but an amino acid and is a waste of money???

Twin Peak · 09-30-2003, 08:10 AM

Well, its overpriced for what it is. Arganine increases cell volume. Cell volume is linked with anabolism, so a legit and effective cell volumizer is certainly conducive to growth.

kuso · 09-30-2003, 08:14 AM

Arganine.....doesn`t smell very pleasant

**dg806** · 09-30-2003, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheGreatSatan
Another forum.

Idiots.

I visit all the big boards and I have yet to see any positive feedback in general. Mostly one or two guys that say it works and gets ripped for it.

TheDude · 10-04-2003, 02:26 PM

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Most of that is pure crap. How would Viagra work if this were true? Viagra works by increasing Nitric Oxide levels in the body.

Wrong.

Viagra works by preventing the decrease of cyclic GMP, which is formed in response to Nitric Oxide levels.

Quote:

the sugar will help raise insulin levels with will increase the arginine uptake.

This is unnecessary as arginine is itself a very good insulin potentiator. In fact, MHP uses arginine instead of sugar in its "TRAC" creatine product.

(Which does not mean I disagree with your overall point... dilating all of one's blood vessels seems to be a somewhat dangerous approach to take)

shainshady · 03-11-2004, 08:42 PM

What is the deal with NOX3? I have tried NO2 with good results (215-220 in 6 weeks). I was thinking of trying NOX3 because it is so much cheaper, but is it just as good?

maze · 03-12-2004, 07:52 AM

I am using the transdermal version found in www.bodybuilding.com, it is only $19.95 so I had to try ...

The only thing that I could notice was the pump ... but no gains.

MarcusMaximus · 03-12-2004, 04:23 PM

there are a number of people who are PROMOTING NO2 on this and other boards. they masquerade as completely independent yet you must take what they say with a grain of salt. it smells fishy when you read their glowing reports of positive results from this or other products from the same company. they will post a couple of non-positive comments in order to throw off the scent but it's rather obvious what they are doing. for some reason, they affiliate themselves with a particular company. usually for their own interests. be aware.

NO2 - the overwhelming consensus is that it doesn't do anything but make your wallet leaner. spend your 60 bucks on food.

having said all this and I am not the only one to have said this or similar things, there are always people who refuse to accept the knowledge and experience of others and wish to try everything that is advertised in the magazines or on the boards. Any one remember smilax? good luck to ya.!

BruceWayNE · 03-12-2004, 05:00 PM

No2 Is probably the biggest rip off supplement I've tried!

mousie · 03-13-2004, 07:47 AM

I bought NO2 on Wednesday night and started it Thursday morning taking 6 pills total per day. I can't really say that I have noticed any significant changes. The first day that I took it, I felt a little bit more energized, but yesterday, I felt tired. Starting from Thursday through this morning, I've lost 2.5 lbs. It's too early to say if NO2 is really doing anything, but I'll let you know.

MarcusMaximus · 03-13-2004, 04:35 PM

you are tired as you are dieting, for whatever reason. NO2 has nothing to so with you being tired or your weight loss.
By what criteria are you going to decide that NO2 has done anything? this is what makes these supplements so difficult to properly assess: people diet while taking them, or start training harder for a contest or start eating more or better food.
people give NO2 the credit for a 5 pound weight gain over a 6 week period. of course, what they will say is that they didn't change anything other than eat a bit more or maybe they tightened up their training...

Of course, its your money and you should spend you money on whatever you want.

shainshady · 03-13-2004, 06:06 PM

Actually- i did not change my diet one bit when I started taking NO2. I weigh my food out for every meal and eat the same amount of calories every day, so I'm pretty sure the NO2 has worked, my question is whether or not other Nitric Oxide supplements such as NOX3 work.

darklight · 03-13-2004, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by maze
The only thing that I could notice was the pump ... but no gains.

firestorm · 03-13-2004, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
Really? Where? I have seen none.

Same here dg, I've yet to hear anything positive about NO2 except of course the wonderful advertisements in the magazines. lol

MarcusMaximus · 03-14-2004, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by firestorm
Same here dg, I've yet to hear anything positive about NO2 except of course the wonderful advertisements in the magazines. lol

or from the wonderful people on this board ( and others ) who are not so subtly promoting the product and the company.

Tangent here - most people have learned to quietly ignore the posters who continually, tirelessly and quite shamelessly promote company A or product B on these threads. Prince is to be commended for his patience. However, it does seem to be going against him financially as he has paying sponsors for the very same threads in which others freely promote other products. it's one thing to state that you enjoyed a product but its quite another to go on and on and on.....

Shain liked it and that's all he said. good enough
Mousie is holding judgement- seems fair.
I don't feel a need to try it. - good enough.
the ads look very good for it....

firestorm · 03-15-2004, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MarcusMaximus
or from the wonderful people on this board ( and others ) who are not so subtly promoting the product and the company.

Actually I would believe NO2 was a good product if I heard people "on here" that have tried it say good things about it but from threads i the past on here,,,,those that tried it said it was overpriced and not worth the money.
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Tangent here - most people have learned to quietly ignore the posters who continually, tirelessly and quite shamelessly promote company A or product B on these threads.

Call it what you will but when you find a company or a product that you "have tried" and know works extremely well you will let people here know about it. That is what the supplement area is for! I can honestly say that I've learned a great deal from reading what people say in here about supplements. I've take the advise of come of these people as well as what TO try and what NOT to waste my money on and I have to be totally totally honest when I say, I've never promoted a product without trying it 1st and 2ndly saw something special about it.
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Prince is to be commended for his patience. However, it does seem to be going against him financially as he has paying sponsors for the very same threads in which others freely promote other products. it's one thing to state that you enjoyed a product but its quite another to go on and on and on.....

I urge you to go and check out ANY other Forum where people do not talk about, promote, or give the thumbs up/down on products other then those sponsered by the site.

I can see it now: PLease post your opinions on supplements that your using..as long as they are listed above as one of our sponsors. hahaha
OK there would be like 10 posts. Get real bro.
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the ads look very good for it....

Advertisements are made to sell a companies product. Of course the ads look good. They looked good for all the "failed" supplements in the past as well. The BEST advertisement is one given by people like myself that gain NOTHING by doing so. Nobody is paying me to say I like something or dislike something. Sure there are people on here that dis a product that they never tried but you have to have some intelligence when you pick who you take advise from.
Personnally I take advise from those that have tried a certain product. Not by those that just jump on a bandwagon.

Peace

09-28-2003, 10:42 PM	#1
TheGreatSatan Satan Loves You Too Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In Min0's Bed! Posts: 11,778 Photos: 16	NO2 Exposed! I've seen lots of positive feedback about NO2, but because of the expense, i've stayed away. I mean, the cheapest I've been able to find the stuff for is $45, for a one month supply. That's a pure and utter rip-off, especially how it costs them a few bucks on the bottle to produce, probably less because of the bulk they do it in. Well, anywayz I decided to take a look at what the stuff really is... quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Supplement Facts: Serving Per Container: 60 Serving Size 3 Caplets Amount Per Serving Arginine alpha-Ketoglutarate 3000 mg Inactive Ingredients: MRI's exclusive pHyser3 delivery system formulation consists of calcium phosphate, cellulose ethers and composites, and magnesium steartate. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All the supplement really is the amino acid arginine. This seems remarkably familiar to the story we all know too well, of ZMA - the overpriced mineral combo. What about the magical pHyser3 delivery system? Here's MRI says about it: quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The secret of the continuous surge of blood lies in NO2's exclusive nitric oxide extended-release delivery system pHyser3™. Until the creation of extended-release delivery system, generating and maintaining nitric oxide levels was impossible. The body literally "dissolved" any agent or substance that could help generate nitric oxide inside the body. Now, with NO2's pH-corrected, body-compatible delivery system, the human body is able to fully "accept" the nitric oxide delivery agent. And even better... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most of that is pure crap. How would Viagra work if this were true? Viagra works by increasing Nitric Oxide levels in the body. However, not all of the MRI (the makers of NO2) claims are false. The stomach's PH levels can interfere with the process. Viagra took care of this by adding a citrate to their product (viagra = sildenafil citrate). And anyways, the ingredients they used are all common fillers found in most bargain brand vitamins. I find it funny, the way they call their delivery 'pHyser3', and the maker of Viagra is Pfizer (same pronunciation). ============================================== So i've told you how overpriced NO2 is, but I also told you that there are positive responses for the stuff. Quite the dilemma, eh? Well, not to worry amigos, because I have the answer: A HOMEMADE NO2. How are we going to homemake this stuff you ask? Well, we have two things to look at. First, the arginine. So far, the cheapest yet highest quality argnine i've found is the one made by a company called "Now". They come in 120 capsule bottles of 1000 mg. arginine caps. To achieve the doseage of NO2, you would have to take 3 tablets of this stuff twice daily, so that's 6 caps per day. This stuff comes in a 120 cap. bottle, so that's a 20 day supply. But NO2 comes in a 30 day supply! Oh no. You have to buy two bottles of Now's arginine. The cheapest I've seen this stuff go for is $10.80 per bottle. So for a one month supply, you spend a little more than $15, and you still have 60 caps left over. (Note - bodybuilding.com doesn't sell the stuff made by now, but they do have 500 mg. caps made by ultimate nutrition - http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/un/argini.html (******* sells the now one w/ FREE shipping) Actually, b/c NO2 has a more high absorbed form of Arginine than pure arginine, i'd recommend a higher doseage if your taking it pure. Somewhere around 10-15 grams per day Next, the 'delivery' system. The best way to take care of this is to take your arginine with a glass of OJ. The OJ will adjust your stomach pH levels to the levels they need to be at, and the sugar will help raise insulin levels with will increase the argnine uptake.
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09-28-2003, 11:05 PM	#2
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,325	Good Post. Ive heard that N02 is junk as well.
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09-29-2003, 09:15 AM	#3
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09-29-2003, 11:07 AM	#5
wraith the forth horseman Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 103	no2 sucks dick
	when you cant hear the music in your head phones ,cause the guy next to you is grunting out one more rep and cussing at the weights remember .... that guy is probably me

09-29-2003, 11:16 AM	#7
bigswole30 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: georgia Posts: 366	I am enjoyinf the effects from PharmagenX NitrogenX. I am taking 12-16cc per day which gives me about 6 grams of L-Arginine AKG. I think thsi another example of the benefots of the liposomal delivery system.
	chad.brooks@epic-nutrition.com www.epic-nutrition.com www.prrstraining.com

09-29-2003, 09:16 AM	#4
X Ring training to be Goku Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New England Posts: 696	Now if you get arginine in its pure form and take like 7 to 8 capsules a day how would that be absorption be closer to what you get from NO2? When should you take this stuff, 45 min before lifting like NO2 or part before you lift and some another time during the day? Also what about creatine with it. NO2 says to stop creatine 10 days before for you take it and dont start creatine again until you are on it for i think 10 days. Thank you for the post and sorry for all of the questions. Gary

09-29-2003, 11:11 AM	#6
X Ring training to be Goku Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: New England Posts: 696	alright so does it suck b/c it doesnt work period or b/c it cost too much? Is it even worth it to just buy the arginine like Satan said or not even at that price? Even with the NOX3 being more powerful and cheaper is this worth it? Gary

09-29-2003, 01:36 PM	#9
tk... Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 118	i have tried No2, and let me tell u that it doens't work..mostly hype then anything else
tk... Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 118

09-29-2003, 01:45 PM	#10
wraith the forth horseman Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: oklahoma Posts: 103	it sucks because it only makes you look bigger after you work out but when your pump goes away youre still the same ,plus its 80 dollars at the gnc when you can get some 1 tu for that at my gym and it does work
	when you cant hear the music in your head phones ,cause the guy next to you is grunting out one more rep and cussing at the weights remember .... that guy is probably me

09-30-2003, 07:49 AM	#13
I Are Baboon pedal pedal pedal Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beerville Posts: 10,805 Photos: 10	So you all are basically saying NO2 is nothing but an amino acid and is a waste of money???

09-30-2003, 08:10 AM	#14
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Well, its overpriced for what it is. Arganine increases cell volume. Cell volume is linked with anabolism, so a legit and effective cell volumizer is certainly conducive to growth.
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09-30-2003, 08:14 AM	#15
kuso Um......get rooted! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: aka ( o Y o ) Posts: 15,033 Photos: 15	Arganine.....doesn`t smell very pleasant

03-11-2004, 08:42 PM	#18
shainshady Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nEW jERSEY Posts: 6	What is the deal with NOX3? I have tried NO2 with good results (215-220 in 6 weeks). I was thinking of trying NOX3 because it is so much cheaper, but is it just as good?

03-12-2004, 07:52 AM	#19
maze Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 368	I am using the transdermal version found in www.bodybuilding.com, it is only $19.95 so I had to try ... The only thing that I could notice was the pump ... but no gains.

03-12-2004, 04:23 PM	#20
MarcusMaximus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 740	there are a number of people who are PROMOTING NO2 on this and other boards. they masquerade as completely independent yet you must take what they say with a grain of salt. it smells fishy when you read their glowing reports of positive results from this or other products from the same company. they will post a couple of non-positive comments in order to throw off the scent but it's rather obvious what they are doing. for some reason, they affiliate themselves with a particular company. usually for their own interests. be aware. NO2 - the overwhelming consensus is that it doesn't do anything but make your wallet leaner. spend your 60 bucks on food. having said all this and I am not the only one to have said this or similar things, there are always people who refuse to accept the knowledge and experience of others and wish to try everything that is advertised in the magazines or on the boards. Any one remember smilax? good luck to ya.!

03-12-2004, 05:00 PM	#21
BruceWayNE I won't lose til I lose Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: los angeles Posts: 61	No2 Is probably the biggest rip off supplement I've tried!

03-13-2004, 07:47 AM	#22
mousie Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 692	I bought NO2 on Wednesday night and started it Thursday morning taking 6 pills total per day. I can't really say that I have noticed any significant changes. The first day that I took it, I felt a little bit more energized, but yesterday, I felt tired. Starting from Thursday through this morning, I've lost 2.5 lbs. It's too early to say if NO2 is really doing anything, but I'll let you know.
mousie Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 692

03-13-2004, 04:35 PM	#23
MarcusMaximus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 740	you are tired as you are dieting, for whatever reason. NO2 has nothing to so with you being tired or your weight loss. By what criteria are you going to decide that NO2 has done anything? this is what makes these supplements so difficult to properly assess: people diet while taking them, or start training harder for a contest or start eating more or better food. people give NO2 the credit for a 5 pound weight gain over a 6 week period. of course, what they will say is that they didn't change anything other than eat a bit more or maybe they tightened up their training... Of course, its your money and you should spend you money on whatever you want.

03-13-2004, 06:06 PM	#24
shainshady Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nEW jERSEY Posts: 6	Actually- i did not change my diet one bit when I started taking NO2. I weigh my food out for every meal and eat the same amount of calories every day, so I'm pretty sure the NO2 has worked, my question is whether or not other Nitric Oxide supplements such as NOX3 work.

03-16-2004, 04:21 AM	#29
MarcusMaximus Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 740