MD6 Banned???

HickeyNC · 08-14-2001, 06:31 AM

Hey y'all. This has got to be my first post in a few months (Not like i was a regular poster anyway). I have been pretty busy at work.

Anyway, i was talking with Bludevil and he said he heard that MD6 was banned because of one of the ingrediants has been found to cause brain hemmorages. He is looking for the email he got right now, but i figured i would post it. I thought it was kind of interesting.

Y'all have any input on this.

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HickeyNC

You get what you put in.

HickeyNC · 08-14-2001, 06:42 AM

To add on to this, the actual ingrediant is PPA otherwise known as nor-ephedrine.

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HickeyNC

You get what you put in.

**Prince** · 08-14-2001, 08:31 AM

<FONT COLOR="blue">I found this on testosterone.net</FONT c>

IMPORTANT FDA UPDATE ABOUT MD6™!

As many of you already know, the FDA has cracked down hard on phenylpropanolamine (PPA), which is also known as norephedrine (dl and l isomers). And l-norephedrine is one of the key ingredients in our fat burner, MD6.

This is really unfortunate because l-norephedrine is very safe when used as recommended, plus it's a fantastic — no, it's the best available — OTC metabolic stimulant/appetite suppressant.

What's the FDA up to, and why are they banning PPA?

Who knows for sure? But it sure smacks of drug industry favoritism. You see, if these fat-loss products are taken away from the supplement industry and become regulated as drugs, it will result in an increase in 100's of billions of dollars of income to the drug companies.

Who loses?

All of us (consumers). What once cost $30 to $40 will now cost perhaps $100 to $200 as prescription items.

Thanks a lot, FDA, for screwing up the American fat-loss market!

So what's the fate of MD6?

We have to reformulate the product, leaving out the l-norephedrine HCl and replacing it with another ingredient.

Big time bummer, huh?

I'm not sure what that compound's going to be right now. We're still evaluating our options. I can guarantee, however, that whatever we finally choose, it'll be the best alternative and real close to l-norephedrine or we won't make MD6 anymore.

For now, we have a very limited supply of MD6 that we have to ration. To be fair to all MD6 fans, we've limited the amount that can be purchased to 6 bottles per order. Also, due to the scant availability, the "buy 2, get 1 free" offer no longer applies to MD6.

So if you want the original MD6 formula, the one that contains real l-norephedrine HCl, you need to make your purchases now. After our current supplies are gone, that's it — no more of the original formula. And I mean, gone!

Again, we have every intention to produce a reformulated version of MD6 that's nearly as effective as the original. So don't completely panic over this situation. Just stock up in case there's some down time before the new product's available.

Thanks for your support of Biotest.

Tim Patterson, CEO

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Just because the majority believes it, does not make it true!

bludevil · 08-14-2001, 12:24 PM

Here's what FDA had to say

************************************************** ********************
SUPPLEMENT WARNING
************************************************** ********************
Don't use any supplement containing PPA, also known as
nor-ephedrine... and not to be confused with ephedrine. Although
PPA has been shown to suppress appetite in humans, there is no
evidence that it boosts metabolism. But more important, the FDA
recommended that all over-the-counter products containing this
substance -- including some decongestants and appetite
suppressants -- be removed because PPA has not yet met the
safety standards needed for FDA approval. The ban on PPA was
the result of a 5-year study at Yale University, which found
that women using products containing PPA had a small, but
significant risk of hemorrhagic stroke.

Not Me · 08-22-2001, 09:46 PM

MD6 went through this a few months back. They have since redesigned the product and it is back on the shelves in most places.
The PPA thing was all hype anyway.

bludevil · 08-23-2001, 05:07 AM

Quote:

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The PPA thing was all hype anyway.

Not disagreeing with you, but what medical, scientific, or proof do you have to know that it was all hype?

Of course Biotest is going to say it was all hype because they had to change their products and they were making a good profit off of it.

<FONT COLOR="#000002" SIZE="1" FACE="Verdana, Arial">[Edited 1 time by bludevil on 08-23-2001 at 07:08 AM]</font>

TheSupremeBeing · 08-23-2001, 05:46 AM

The FDA banned it for the simple reason that they will profit off of it, due to selling it via prescription for 10x the price.

It was really just hype, it was because people were scared of ephedrine after the FDA tried to ban that with no support. It did work, but no better than ECA.

Just buy ECA.

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Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

cytrix · 08-23-2001, 03:38 PM

i agree with TSB on that

Not Me · 08-23-2001, 06:16 PM

I'll continue this conversation as if we are all blind to the FDA and their goal to control any product that could put money back into government's pockets.

There is plenty of documentation on PPA for and against its use and safety. Unfortunately, it is on the endangered species list because of its aid in fat loss possibilities and the market surrounding fat loss. $$$$$$

I call it hype because if you look at the two lists of products at these links you'll realize that millions of people have used PPA on a daily basis without even knowing it. If it was such a danger why haven't more of us had strokes? Additionally, the study was more specific to women than men, but did not mention the multiple childrens products that contain PPA or the prescription drugs that use PPA. The priority was fat loss products.
http://www.ppainjurylaw.com/Phenylpr...amineDrugs.htm
http://www.ppainjurylaw.com/PPA_Pres...g_products.htm

I just don't want people to believe the first thing they hear on T.V. or read in the papers.

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Your liver pays dearly now for magic youthful moments.

08-14-2001, 06:31 AM	#1
HickeyNC Member Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 251	MD6 Banned??? Hey y'all. This has got to be my first post in a few months (Not like i was a regular poster anyway). I have been pretty busy at work. Anyway, i was talking with Bludevil and he said he heard that MD6 was banned because of one of the ingrediants has been found to cause brain hemmorages. He is looking for the email he got right now, but i figured i would post it. I thought it was kind of interesting. Y'all have any input on this. ------------------ HickeyNC You get what you put in.

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08-14-2001, 06:42 AM	#2
HickeyNC Member Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 251	To add on to this, the actual ingrediant is PPA otherwise known as nor-ephedrine. ------------------ HickeyNC You get what you put in.

08-14-2001, 08:31 AM	#3
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,736 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	<FONT COLOR="blue">I found this on testosterone.net</FONT c> IMPORTANT FDA UPDATE ABOUT MD6™! As many of you already know, the FDA has cracked down hard on phenylpropanolamine (PPA), which is also known as norephedrine (dl and l isomers). And l-norephedrine is one of the key ingredients in our fat burner, MD6. This is really unfortunate because l-norephedrine is very safe when used as recommended, plus it's a fantastic — no, it's the best available — OTC metabolic stimulant/appetite suppressant. What's the FDA up to, and why are they banning PPA? Who knows for sure? But it sure smacks of drug industry favoritism. You see, if these fat-loss products are taken away from the supplement industry and become regulated as drugs, it will result in an increase in 100's of billions of dollars of income to the drug companies. Who loses? All of us (consumers). What once cost $30 to $40 will now cost perhaps $100 to $200 as prescription items. Thanks a lot, FDA, for screwing up the American fat-loss market! So what's the fate of MD6? We have to reformulate the product, leaving out the l-norephedrine HCl and replacing it with another ingredient. Big time bummer, huh? I'm not sure what that compound's going to be right now. We're still evaluating our options. I can guarantee, however, that whatever we finally choose, it'll be the best alternative and real close to l-norephedrine or we won't make MD6 anymore. For now, we have a very limited supply of MD6 that we have to ration. To be fair to all MD6 fans, we've limited the amount that can be purchased to 6 bottles per order. Also, due to the scant availability, the "buy 2, get 1 free" offer no longer applies to MD6. So if you want the original MD6 formula, the one that contains real l-norephedrine HCl, you need to make your purchases now. After our current supplies are gone, that's it — no more of the original formula. And I mean, gone! Again, we have every intention to produce a reformulated version of MD6 that's nearly as effective as the original. So don't completely panic over this situation. Just stock up in case there's some down time before the new product's available. Thanks for your support of Biotest. Tim Patterson, CEO ------------------ Just because the majority believes it, does not make it true!

08-14-2001, 12:24 PM	#4
bludevil To God be the Glory Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: WeightRoom Posts: 1,567 Photos: 25	Here's what FDA had to say ************************************************ **************** SUPPLEMENT WARNING ********************************************** ****************** Don't use any supplement containing PPA, also known as nor-ephedrine... and not to be confused with ephedrine. Although PPA has been shown to suppress appetite in humans, there is no evidence that it boosts metabolism. But more important, the FDA recommended that all over-the-counter products containing this substance -- including some decongestants and appetite suppressants -- be removed because PPA has not yet met the safety standards needed for FDA approval. The ban on PPA was the result of a 5-year study at Yale University, which found that women using products containing PPA had a small, but significant risk of hemorrhagic stroke.

08-22-2001, 09:46 PM	#5
Not Me Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: USA Posts: 14	MD6 went through this a few months back. They have since redesigned the product and it is back on the shelves in most places. The PPA thing was all hype anyway.

08-23-2001, 05:46 AM	#7
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	The FDA banned it for the simple reason that they will profit off of it, due to selling it via prescription for 10x the price. It was really just hype, it was because people were scared of ephedrine after the FDA tried to ban that with no support. It did work, but no better than ECA. Just buy ECA. ------------------ Complex problems have simple, easy to understand, wrong answers.

08-23-2001, 03:38 PM	#8
cytrix Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: chicago, il , usa Posts: 287	i agree with TSB on that

08-23-2001, 06:16 PM	#9
Not Me Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: USA Posts: 14	I'll continue this conversation as if we are all blind to the FDA and their goal to control any product that could put money back into government's pockets. There is plenty of documentation on PPA for and against its use and safety. Unfortunately, it is on the endangered species list because of its aid in fat loss possibilities and the market surrounding fat loss. $$$$$$ I call it hype because if you look at the two lists of products at these links you'll realize that millions of people have used PPA on a daily basis without even knowing it. If it was such a danger why haven't more of us had strokes? Additionally, the study was more specific to women than men, but did not mention the multiple childrens products that contain PPA or the prescription drugs that use PPA. The priority was fat loss products. http://www.ppainjurylaw.com/Phenylpr...amineDrugs.htm http://www.ppainjurylaw.com/PPA_Pres...g_products.htm I just don't want people to believe the first thing they hear on T.V. or read in the papers. ------------------ Your liver pays dearly now for magic youthful moments.