VPX 4-Test Cypionate

**newby** · 10-13-2003, 08:48 PM

Is this better that their 1-Test

Would it be a good stand alone ?

Is it worth the extra cost

any info would be great

Newby

**firestorm** · 10-13-2003, 09:30 PM

Syngex I and Syngex II both VPX products I believe are better after talking to one of their representives. Stronger and more effective.

**gopro** · 10-14-2003, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by newby
Is this better that their 1-Test

Would it be a good stand alone ?

Is it worth the extra cost

any info would be great

Newby

Don't take 4-test as a stand alone. If anything take 1-Test as a stand alone, or better yet, just take Syngex I which contains both.

**ST240** · 10-14-2003, 10:48 PM

Is Syngex I the same as taking 1-ad/4ad stack?

which is better as a stand alone Syngex I or methyl-1-test?

If theyre not good stand alones what do you stack them with?

**ZECH** · 10-15-2003, 07:15 AM

Basically........................4-test has an ester added for prolonged bioavailability.

4-test=4-androstene-3, 17 Cypionate ester
4/ad=4-androstenediol

**ZECH** · 10-15-2003, 07:16 AM

Methyl 1-test is just that...................meaning it is 17aa. Not the same thing. Anynthing that is alkalyted is stronger.

**gopro** · 10-15-2003, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by ST240
Is Syngex I the same as taking 1-ad/4ad stack?

which is better as a stand alone Syngex I or methyl-1-test?

If theyre not good stand alones what do you stack them with?

Syngex is better than 1-AD/4-AD b/c it is 1-Test/4-AD. I-Test is superior to 1-AD.

As a stand alone I think that you may see better gains on methyl-1-Test, but I consider this compound to have crossed the line into true steroid status. It is also harmful to the liver b/c of its 17 alpha alkylation.

**deezlodawg** · 11-10-2003, 05:37 PM

I'm currently using Syngex I and have been on for 2 weeks. I am now starting to show some nice gains; my muscle definition is up, my bodyfat appears to be down a little, and my pumps are *insane*. I did arms a while ago and they felt like they were going to *explode*. I'm going to be on for another 2 weeks then I'm going to take a break for a couple of months.

**firestorm** · 11-10-2003, 05:43 PM

Deezl, stop,,, your giving me a woody. hahahaha I can't wait to try syngex 1 and 2. Just low on funds with Xmas around the corner.

**firestorm** · 11-10-2003, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by gopro
Syngex is better than 1-AD/4-AD b/c it is 1-Test/4-AD. I-Test is superior to 1-AD.

As a stand alone I think that you may see better gains on methyl-1-Test, but I consider this compound to have crossed the line into true steroid status. It is also harmful to the liver b/c of its 17 alpha alkylation.

I didn't see methyl-1-Test on the VPX site. who sells it and where can I read up on it?

**Mudge** · 11-10-2003, 06:44 PM

Methyl 1-Test FAQ

What is it?
Methyl 1-Test is the most potent form of 1-Testosterone available because of the 17- methyl group protecting the 1-Test molecule from liver destruction. 1-Testosterone is a non-aromatizing steroid with a good anabolic profile.

Is it legal?
Yes, as legal as any other 1-Test variant like 1-Test EthylCarbonate or 1-Test Ether.

Who should use it?
Animals should be given 10 – 20mg a day to help increase performance. You can start at 10mg per day and work up to 20mg if needed.

What are the side effects?
All androgens can cause increased blood pressure and certainly non-aromatizing ones like Methyl 1-Test. Adding things like Hawthorn Berry, CoQ10 and Milk Thistle to the feed should help alleviate associated problems. Additional items like Potassium are a good idea to reduce cramping that can accompany androgen use.

How quickly will I notice changes in my animals?
This really depends. This is the most potent legal androgen available today and should not be used lightly. Just because your animal feels like he can run a marathon or pull a tractor doesn’t mean you should let him. Things like joint adaptation take time and muscle strain can happen if you are not careful. Injuries to your animal are the result of overtraining! It’s easy to do, so be careful. Controlled growth is the best!

What should be used post-cycle to improve natural testosterone production?
Clomiphene or Tamoxifen post cycle are the best choices for increasing your animals natural testosterone production. Lion’s flavored research chemicals will help make the experience pleasant.

Will my pet lose any hair?
Methyl-1-Test is a potent androgen and might cause hair loss in those susceptible to it. Finasteride should help with this. I know it isn’t supposed to work with non-5ar steroids, but it should. Certainly post cycle it will help.

What is it comparable too?
Feedback coming in states that it is very much like Tren and alot like Primo.

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On some small level I am following the people converting these over to injectables and the feedback as far as products working is very good.

**firestorm** · 11-10-2003, 06:56 PM

Thanks Mudge now who sells it? My vet??? hahahaha

**tomas101** · 11-10-2003, 08:03 PM

i didnt really like syngex 1...i wouldnt buy it again

**topolo** · 11-10-2003, 08:42 PM

really? why?

**nacnac972** · 11-10-2003, 08:46 PM

I am on day 10 of a 30 day cycle of syngex I and II.I have to say it is going very well.Today i noticed i was stronger i hit 245 6 times on bench.I usually do it about 4 times.My body weight is up 7 solid pounds.The pump is great.I understand everyone is different.

**tomas101** · 11-10-2003, 09:15 PM

ya i think it would have been better if i had the syngex 2 also

**Mudge** · 11-10-2003, 10:04 PM

Originally posted by firestorm
Thanks Mudge now who sells it? My vet??? hahahaha

You can buy it in powder form, or there is an "old timer" who is doing the conversion for a few bucks. I have no idea on the BV versus oral so I am just throwing it out there for whatever its worth (not much I'm sure).

1-Test is painfull even in 50mg/ml but people are getting pretty ripped and vascular on it supposedly, the cypionate is painless for the most part.

**topolo** · 11-10-2003, 10:44 PM

how is it painful?

**Mudge** · 11-11-2003, 12:14 AM

It is painfull INJECTED, supposedly more than suspension which is infamous.

**ST240** · 11-11-2003, 02:29 AM

why the hell would you inject it when you can just take it orally or dermally.... If youre gonna bother injecting something it might as well be real test.

**firestorm** · 11-11-2003, 02:37 AM

The reason you inject it is because you loose some of the potency with the sublingual solutions. It goes through the liver and some of it is lost. Injecting such products bypasses the liver and you get the whole dose that you paid for. This is pretty close to the reason why as it was explained to me.

**ZECH** · 11-11-2003, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by ST240
why the hell would you inject it when you can just take it orally or dermally.... If youre gonna bother injecting something it might as well be real test.

1-test is a steriod.

**Twin Peak** · 11-11-2003, 07:35 AM

Originally posted by firestorm
Thanks Mudge now who sells it? My vet??? hahahaha

Legalgear or kilosports.

**gopro** · 11-11-2003, 08:59 AM

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Legalgear or kilosports.

And soon at VPX

**ZECH** · 11-11-2003, 09:00 AM

I can't believe VPX is going to do a M 1-t!

**Twin Peak** · 11-11-2003, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by gopro
And soon at VPX

Interesting. Liposomal?

Will you beat kilosports price?

**Mudge** · 11-11-2003, 10:50 AM

Originally posted by ST240
why the hell would you inject it when you can just take it orally or dermally....

Just as the others said. As the only example I can give, a 17aa passes the liver twice and is about half as effective as when injected, this is seen in Winstrol where the dose is usually double when oral (injectable winstrol is however an expensive process and likes to fall out of suspension).

**gopro** · 11-11-2003, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by dg806
I can't believe VPX is going to do a M 1-t!

Yes, at my suggestion. I just went to him and said, "lets just go for it and do M 1-T before its all banned anyway!" He went for it and here it comes. It will be a truly extraordinary product using the VPX delivery (although it will be tweaked somewhat specifically for this product). I'll let you know when it will hit.

**topolo** · 11-11-2003, 01:02 PM

Originally posted by dg806
1-test is a steriod.

then how is it legal? is there no difference between 1 test and regular injectable testosterone?

**Mudge** · 11-11-2003, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by topolo
then how is it legal? is there no difference between 1 test and regular injectable testosterone?

Because the original steroid control act was a list of banned substances, not a statement that "steroids are illegal withour prescription."

This legal loop-hole is why they want to revise it into the Steroid Control Act of 2003.

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