Thread: Discussion about T levels...

Did you tell the doc about Sytenhance??

Actually, I forgot to. I actually didn't put it on before since it was raining out so I imagine since I didn't smell it I forgot about it.

By the by, I will be finishing the Sytenhance tomorrow, I wasted a bunch of it though between the leakage and putting it in a different bottle.

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What were your gains like in your arms? size wise?

I believe they grew 1/2" in 2 weeks. I don't necessarily know that this was a result of the Sytenhance, but I gained fat everywhere except my arms during that 2 weeks. IMO, I think that stuff may be a good site specific thermogenic.


On a side note, I believe that I have lost a ton of water in that area since I have better definition in my arms than when I started. Could the carrier also pull subcutaneous water in with it?

Dave, I found this on another board. Normally 4-ad will counteract lathargy(which in this case I think it is a 3:1 ratio) but everyone is different!



sytenhance review
From ********* consumer reviews:

Product: Sytenhance

From: Stephen Moore
Date: Wednesday 08 October, 2003

Review:


I'm on my second week of sytenhance. There is NO doubt in my mind that I have experienced systemic absorbtion of the product. I can barely hold my eyes open, just like I took 1-ad orally. I'm cutting way back on the amount I apply and see if that helps. I have started to experience the effects in the areas I apply the product. If I can limit the systemic absorbtion to a minimum I would give the product a higher rating.

Overall rating: 3 out of 5 stars

I never got the Lethargy, but I generally can't get to bed until like 2am which is no prob since I go into work when i feel like it anyway.

I sincerely doubt you are applying enough sytenhance to increase your T levels even if it was intentionally systemic.

Updates??

Actually, I was thinking about this, and this is above my head, but I am pretty sure IF Sytenhance was being delivered systemically, T levels would be supressed since the 1-test and 4-diol would register as a different hormone, and the endogenous levels woudl then be down.

Just a thought.

Was he actually on it long enough to supress t-levels?? If they were, why were the levels so high? He was taking nothing else to make them that high.

Update-

I have been off sytenhance for a little over a week. My arms are continuing to get stronger, but I have not measured them in lately. I still feel some symptoms of the high T levels (Aggression has increased over the past week, body temp has soared despite the outside temp dropping, Need to shave everyday as opposed to every 3 days, Got my first body acne in years). Could this at all be related to my training regimen. I have been ultra consistent with leg training and have gone heavier and deeper than ever for the past 2.5 months. Comparing this to my long aforementioned layoff, I am beginning to think this is more likely my body returning to it's former state prior to the layoff. Everyone I know that I didn't know before the layoff has said I look twice the size I was and my strength is about to surpass what it was before. I'll tell ya what, i was never able to DB curl 65s for reps before and just yesterday I did 65s for 6 reps seated so in terms of the sytenhance, I think it did it's job, but something else that I cannot explain is going on. I would also say that my mood is way more positive than it has been in the past. On top of this, about 9 months ago, I got sick all the time. Now, I have had people with the flu cough in my face and I can't get sick. Maybe I am attaining superpowers.

On a side note, I read somewhere that peak strength age is around 26 so maybe this could be it.

You are probably feeling the androgenic effects of the PH. Although I have never noticed a rise in body temp from a PH. Are you taking an eca??

Nope, no ECA, I think I am just returning back to normal after the layoff.

Originally posted by dg806
Was he actually on it long enough to supress t-levels?? If they were, why were the levels so high? He was taking nothing else to make them that high.

It wouldn't supress it, because it is not systemic. I was saying that this is arguably proof that it is not systemic.

Yeah I see what your saying, but from everything I've heard, it takes at least 4 weeks to suppress t-levels? So it may still have some systemic properties it that is the case??

Perhaps, but your point that the T levels may have been increased by Sytenhance would also be innacurate.

Do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the syntenhance didn't raise t-levels?? I don't see how the answer can be yes.

what are regular Test levels for an 18 year old? 20 year old? 25 year old?

Also... can you permanently decrease your test levels by taking PH/PS's? And how long does it take for Test levels to come back to normal after taking a PH/PS?

Originally posted by ST240
Also... can you permanently decrease your test levels by taking PH/PS's? And how long does it take for Test levels to come back to normal after taking a PH/PS?

Yes, it depends on how long you stay on and how you cycle.
For restoration, it depends on post cycle(what you take and how much) Many variables!

Originally posted by dg806
Do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that the syntenhance didn't raise t-levels?? I don't see how the answer can be yes.

Its a hypothesis, on my part, and there is significant science behind it.

And my point is, won't SYSTEMIC 1-test decrease test levels? So if you take an oral, or a transdermal like One, it will not show raised endogenous test levels. To the contrary it will sho wsuppressed levels, correct?

Originally posted by ST240
what are regular Test levels for an 18 year old? 20 year old? 25 year old?

there is no black & white answer, normal is around 250/ng's - 850/ngs (I believe those are the most recent)

T levels fluctuate throughout the day, so at your lowest point you should be no lower than 225 and your highest (first thing in the morning) no higher than 850.

However, depending on who is performing the blood test, and the method used, those numbers may vary slightly.

As you age, especially starting at around 30, your T levels start declining.

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Its a hypothesis, on my part, and there is significant science behind it.

And my point is, won't SYSTEMIC 1-test decrease test levels? So if you take an oral, or a transdermal like One, it will not show raised endogenous test levels. To the contrary it will sho wsuppressed levels, correct?

I am certainly not an expert on this but I think they may be raised temporarily. If it takes 4 weeks or longer to suppress t-levels, you are still getting an external source which will convert to test to add to your natural levels. After 4 weeks and your natural test start lowering, your level should show lower. But if your taking an extremely high dose of 1-test or other PS/PH, it may remain the same. Now this is assuming that the PS/PH will show up in t-level test and I am not certain it will?? If it doesn't you are correct.

Originally posted by dg806
I am certainly not an expert on this but I think they may be raised temporarily. If it takes 4 weeks or longer to suppress t-levels, you are still getting an external source which will convert to test to add to your natural levels. After 4 weeks and your natural test start lowering, your level should show lower. But if your taking an extremely high dose of 1-test or other PS/PH, it may remain the same. Now this is assuming that the PS/PH will show up in t-level test and I am not certain it will?? If it doesn't you are correct.

Where is Dante when you need him.

Anyway, I don't believe it converts to natural test. So it woudl show up differently (I believe). And as exogenous test goes up, endogenous test goes down. Think of the pedals when driving a stick shift.

Originally posted by ST240
what are regular Test levels for an 18 year old? 20 year old? 25 year old?

Depends what lab you get tested at, can be anywhere from 280ish to 1200, in other words people have hugely different "normal" levels.

Also... can you permanently decrease your test levels by taking PH/PS's? And how long does it take for Test levels to come back to normal after taking a PH/PS?

Not only will you not permanently shut down test levels, but after years without breaks azoospermic patients have been brought back into producting little guys all on thier own.

How long depends on several things in no particular order

1) Your own genetics
2) Your post cycle therapy
3) How long you were on and how much you used and what you used

In other words, once again not everybody is the same!!!

Here was what I was thinking in terms of what TP was saying. Is what you are getting at that once the PH attaches to the androgen receptor, this leaves fewer receptors for the test to bind to. The body, noticing there is more test since it is not bound, would decrease production of test to return to baseline.

Am I close? And if this is the case wouldn't there be a point during the process where test would be higher since it is not bound and production hasn't been halted?

I have no idea if Sytenhance is systemic, I just no I got no systemic side effects, which was cool with me.