I would not recommend this as a first cycle.
Has anyone tried this stack yet??. What kind of results???.


I would not recommend this as a first cycle.
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12g of 1-test is alot. Unless they cut the number of squirts down to 2 or 3, I think that is too much 1-test for a first cycle.
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I have had expierence with real gear in the past, so I think that this "stack" will be quite mild compared to what I have used before. Thanks for the input.
Hell Week is only 6 months away.
I am not sure I understand how you can not recommend a stack, when you are not pleased with the dose. Lower the dose then, it will last longer as well.Originally posted by dg806
12g of 1-test is alot. Unless they cut the number of squirts down to 2 or 3, I think that is too much 1-test for a first cycle.


Come on TP.........look at 90% of the people out there. They will look at the directions and see 6 squirts/2 times a day and that is what they will do, not knowing what is in the product. You know this as good as I do. But you are right, it would be more economical to buy the 12g and lower the dose!
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I'm interested to see how your receptors respond.Originally posted by spartan
I have had expierence with real gear in the past, so I think that this "stack" will be quite mild compared to what I have used before. Thanks for the input.
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BUT....you are offering advice and its your chance to offer the best advice possible.Originally posted by dg806
Come on TP.........look at 90% of the people out there. They will look at the directions and see 6 squirts/2 times a day and that is what they will do, not knowing what is in the product. You know this as good as I do. But you are right, it would be more economical to buy the 12g and lower the dose!


Well like I preach, people must do some research on their own. I can't hold their hand.
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NO I DID NOT! You get up on the wrong side of the bed today??Originally posted by Twin Peak
Except you told this guy it was a bad stack, with seemingly no basis.
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That does not say it is bad. I could not be recommending it several reasons.
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TP, I told you why. I don't see where you are going with this, other than you just simply disagree?
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I did give you a reason and you wanted to argue the point!
If they buy the 12g of 1-test, they will do 6x2. I think that would be too much for a first cycle. In this case, the guy has some past experiences.
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It is always best to start a first cycle with the lowest dose possible.
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I understand what you are both saying but I am still curious about results!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I'm not to worried about sides from 1Ad and 4AD stacked I am curious about what can I expect in terms of gains.
Hell Week is only 6 months away.
Twin Peak you must have some good insight to some of these products, I would be interested in your views.
Hell Week is only 6 months away.


I never said it was bad TP. Just too much 1-test. If you can't understand that, I'm sorry.
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Gains depend on many things. Dose, diet, post cycle.
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No wonder I'm having trouble trying to follow this thread.Originally posted by Twin Peak
Lowering the dose doesn't not make it a bad cycle.
It's 4 grams of 1 test and 4 grams of 4ad with 6 oxo to help "come off" LOL. transdermally applied
Hell Week is only 6 months away.
Shit, I take this back. I thought we were talking cutting stack. Yes, I think this monster combo is as good as it get, for bulking purposes.Originally posted by Twin Peak
Its decent. Its a better bulk stack, IMO. I'd rather use 1-test alone or 1, 4 (boldione) when cutting as 4-AD causes water retention. Personal preference, really.
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