Thread: Syntrax Beta 3

sounds good, I only got another week of ECA left... was going to get guggulbolic.... I wanted to stack it with Leptigen, but looks like those Avant guys won't be ready for this cycle... maybe I'll try that too...

The two together should work good. Or either Guggulbolic & MM4.

Have you tried the MM4? it's like an appetite suppresant right?

I too am using the guggulbolic and Beta3. I switched my creatine over to SwoleV.2...........Was shopping around for great prices plus reputation and stumbled across Syntrax. I love that place!!!

Originally posted by HoldDaMayo
Have you tried the MM4? it's like an appetite suppresant right?

I haven't tried it yet. TP did and said it was decent. It contains synephrine. Here is a little info...........



Since very little published research compares supplementation of ephedrine to synephrine in lean individuals, I set up a study at the University of Utah that compared these two compounds to one another as well as to a placebo. The test formulations contained either 24 milligrams (mg) of ephedrine or 10 mg of synephrine. These are the common supplement industry dosages of ephedrine and synephrine.

Both formulas also included 300 mg of caffeine, 12 mg of yohimbe and 200 mg of quercetin.The synephrine mixture also contained 50 mg of Scizonopeta tenuifolla and Ledebouriella divaricata, two Chinese herbs known to produce a warming effect. The study was a double blind, placebo controlled crossover design, and used 20 young healthy subjects, 10 men and 10 women. Resting metabolic rate, respiratory exchange ration, body care temperature, heart rate and blood pressure were measured.

Resting metabolic rate increased significantly with the ephedrine mix versus placebo. The synephrine formula did not significantly elevate resting metabolic rate for any one 15 minute period during the 195 minutes of measurement.

However, by crudely extrapolating the 195 minutes of collected data over a 24 hour period, both the ephedrine and synephrine formulations showed a significant increase in total resting metabolic rate when compared to the placebo. Respiratory exchange ration decreased significantly toward fat burning with only the ephedrine formulation versus placebo. Body core temperature increased greatly with both the ephedrine and the synephrine formulas compared to the placebo. Heart rate was elevated considerably with the ephedrine versus placebo, but not with the synephrine. Blood pressure was elevated significantly following both formulations versus the placebo.

The bottom line here is that although the synephrine formulation seemed to have a mild effect, the ephedrine formulation outperformed synephrine across the board for elevating metabolic rate and shifting respiratory exchange ration toward fat burning. When you compare a synephrine based mixture to an ephedrine based one for fat burning potential, the ephedrine formulations appear to have the edge, based on available research.

Synephrine and ephedrine act differently upon alpha and beta adrenergic receptor sites. Ephedrine is an indirect and direct acting beta agonist with relatively slight activation of the alpha receptors; synephrine is a direct acting alpha agonist with relatively slight activation of beta receptors, via release of norepinephrine and epinephrine. This is important when attempting to determine the potential for fat burning, because the bottom line is that beta receptors, especially beta-3 receptors, are the key to burning fat.

Admittedly, in this study, the dosage of ephedrine and synephrine in each formulation was not equivalent, so these data cannot be considered conclusive; however, those who tout synephrine as superior to ephedrine for the purpose of getting lean are reaching for data that are not in evidence. Direct comparison studies using the same dosage of both ephedrine and synephrine are still needed. At this point, ephedrine has the edge, both in the scientific literature and in the gym, when it comes to fat burning ability.

hmm interesting... I looked at a few articles myself... I'm going to go with the guggulbolic and Beta 3... Will be interesting to compare to my ECA stack... as far as fat burning is considered...

Forskolin (as found in MM4) is a wonderful compound. The new version of MM4 also has EGCG.

Beta 3 agonists aren't exceptionally potent compounds in humans. Feedback is generally positive, although I've yet to see a single person who has used this as a stand-alone.

The most noticeable effects may come to those who are moderately insulin resistant, as B3 agonism can increase sensitivity.

Originally posted by Dante B.
The most noticeable effects may come to those who are moderately insulin resistant, as B3 agonism can increase sensitivity.

There have been a few women on here that believe they were insulin resistant. Sounds interesting.

One thing for sure, it doesn't give me the shakes like ephedrine does!

I've been taking Beta3 for a week now. I am taking it by itself, not stacking it with anything.

This stuff is WORKING for me! I went three days without lifting (that's another story) and I STILL lost two pounds. Usually if I go three days without lifting, my weight stays the same. I have even been eating more than I usually do, having not stuck to my diet as closely as I have in the past, and I have still managed to lose weight.

Beta3 does not give me jitters, does not incrase my body temperature, and does not make me sweat. For all intents and purposes, it seems to have no affect on me, that is until I hop on the scale. Having only been taking it for a week, I am looking forward to seeing where I am after finishing a bottle.

I had an after-work party last night, and after three beers, a pile of turkey, and a generous serving of pasta and meat sauce (all on top of my "scheduled" food intake for the day), I lost another half pound.

This is nuts......I have never responded like this to a supplement before.

Is anyone else responding to Beta3 like this?

yes. See my thread

Originally posted by BabsieGirl
yes. See my thread

*strolls over to Babsie's thread.....*

Originally posted by Dante B.
I've yet to see a single person who has used this as a stand-alone.

Now you know one. That is, as long as you don't consider SwoleV.2 and protein powder as part of a stack.

bump.

DG picks himself up after being bumped by Tank!!

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
*strolls over to Babsie's thread.....*

Thanks for visiting IAB.

Anymore progress?

Originally posted by I Are Baboon
Now you know one. That is, as long as you don't consider SwoleV.2 and protein powder as part of a stack.

SwoleV.2 may elicit a modest leaning effect.

That aside, as I said (or implied), it's definitely not a worthless product by any means. It's just not a revolutionary product, and the average user isn't likely to experience anything drastic if it's used as a stand-alone.

Why is that Dante? Curious

Because I said so, Babsie. My word is as good as gold. Funny, who knew that a block of gold often resembles a heap of crap.


Guanidinopropionic acid can lower ATP levels (by displacing creatine). Simply put, the body may consume more energy in an attempt to regenerate ATP stores; think along the lines of uncoupling.

Originally posted by Dante B.
Because I said so, Babsie. My word is as good as gold. Funny, who knew that a block of gold often resembles a heap of crap.

If you're here for the Arnold, you're gonna get it mister

Will I get to choose the method of punishment?

Hmmmm.....Depends on my mood.

Originally posted by Dante B.

Guanidinopropionic acid can lower ATP levels (by displacing creatine). Simply put, the body may consume more energy in an attempt to regenerate ATP stores; think along the lines of uncoupling.

Not from the low quantity that is in it. It will take much more to achieve this affect from what I've seen.

And how do you know this.

If it's present in enough of a quanity to elicit a positive response, do keep in mind that a positive response is sometimes dependant on (what some would consider) a negative reaction.

Will it make a big difference? Probably not. But it's definitely something to consider, especially if you're a strength and/or endurance athlete.

I'm sure you have read all the info Syntrax has put out on it as I have. I just have not seen any proof that it deletes ATP. Maybe in dosages that you could never take in. But the feedback in general is very positive and speaks for itself.

And is this the sole ingredient in the product? I gather you know where I'm going with that question.

No doubt, the feedback is positive. That doesn't surprise me. But that's not the point.

Hmmmm.....Depends on my mood

I'm being awfully naughty today.

Should I bring out the whip?