Ph Questions - Listen Up!!

**dg806** · 11-18-2003, 09:56 AM

I get tons of questions on PH use and ways to avoid side effects.
If you are concerned about potential side effects from estrogen or DHT you should not be using prohormones!!. If you don't know what the side effects are or what DHT does, YOU NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH! This is more for the people who say "what is the best prohormone without side effects?". Very dumb question. There is no such thing. Estrogen and DHT play a major role in gains, and if you don't understand that, then you shouldn't be using these substances. Part of using prohormones should be understanding how they work in your body. If you say "I'm scared of estrogen" then don't use prohormones. All of them can potentially increase estrogen. Sorry, thats just the way it is. You can always take ancilleries, but if you are asking this question, you obviously didn't know that.
- If you are under 21, you shouldn't take prohormes and don't ask
- If you have trained a year or less, you should not take PH'S
- If you don't eat 6 meals a day to gain naturally, don't take PH's
- If you don't get 8 hours of sleep a night don't waste your time
- If you take recreational drugs, don't bother with PH's
- If you have high blood pressure, diabetes or other problems,
don't use PH's
Just because you are trying to accomodate your poor workouts and diet with prohormones, it is not going to work. Learn how to eat, sleep, and workout properly first!!
Plan your cycle and dosage and post cycle first!! The reasons for having this available to you should be obvious. If you don't know why you need post cycle drugs, you shouldn't be using prohormones.

QuestionGuy · 11-29-2003, 12:18 AM

damn straight

**dg806** · 11-29-2003, 07:58 AM

Besides being a rant, these are for general precautions.

QuestionGuy · 12-24-2003, 05:42 PM

lol, that why im not using PH. heheh

**Mudge** · 12-24-2003, 05:48 PM

Have to have the bottom end of your engine nice and stout with clearances checked before you put on the supercharger!

Testosterone · 12-26-2003, 04:30 AM

The thing is Why Use Pro-Hormones? Just waste of money and time even if you eat big, rest big and train hard?
Why not get the Real Gear Straight Away?
We all know PH's are weaker versions of Anabolic Steroids, then why take Ph's when we know quite clearly tht Estrogen & DHT are inevitable with Ph's use!

**dg806** · 12-27-2003, 11:36 AM

Leagality issues!

KataMaStEr · 12-27-2003, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
- If you are under 21, you shouldn't take prohormes and don't ask
- If you have trained a year or less, you should not take PH'S
- If you don't eat 6 meals a day to gain naturally, don't take PH's
- If you don't get 8 hours of sleep a night don't waste your time
- If you take recreational drugs, don't bother with PH's
- If you have high blood pressure, diabetes or other problems,
don't use PH's

Agree in all of them except the first one. Yeah I know 95% of the member in this forum feel like jumping on me for that, but hey, don't bother.

**Mudge** · 12-27-2003, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Testosterone
The thing is Why Use Pro-Hormones?

Most of us live in countries where it would be illegal to do so. Some people who have thought about it are too lazy to read up on the ins and outs, or are just plain afraid of needles. The list is pretty long I'm sure.

**Prince** · 12-27-2003, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Testosterone
The thing is Why Use Pro-Hormones? Just waste of money and time even if you eat big, rest big and train hard?
Why not get the Real Gear Straight Away?
We all know PH's are weaker versions of Anabolic Steroids, then why take Ph's when we know quite clearly tht Estrogen & DHT are inevitable with Ph's use!

ummm...it's a felony to posses anabolic steroids without an Rx is one reason.

Testosterone · 12-27-2003, 02:11 PM

I c. But in our country what $$ is greater than Rx.
No problems whatsoever!

But I guess you can get them online DISCREET!!!!!!!!!!
EVER TRIED ONE OF THOSE?

**Mudge** · 12-27-2003, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Testosterone
But I guess you can get them online DISCREET!!!!!!!!!!
EVER TRIED ONE OF THOSE?

Its only discreet if someone doesn't find out about it, and it still means breaking the law.

That is like saying "well why not steal this car if you can get away with it," some people just wont do it.

firestorm · 01-04-2004, 12:13 AM

I won't for one. I will not take even the slightest chance of getting in trouble with the law besides that "fear". If I did get caught what kind of example would I be giving my 2 boys. I teach them right from wrong and breaking the law is breaking the law and here we are talking about breaking a Federal law not just running a stop sign.
2ndly,,, Anabolics even as strong as they are, are much more expensive and then you also if you decide to spend all that money you have to have a "reliable" source. I remember when the drugs were NOT a federal offense and I wasn't married and when the prices were 1/2 of what they are now and even then you had to worry about fakes. I certainly wouldn't want to put out a grand for sesame seed oil.

Testosterone · 01-04-2004, 02:04 AM

Thats another reason to marry a physician if you have serious BB goals.....

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
without an Rx is one reason.

firestorm · 01-04-2004, 02:14 AM

So Test when are you going to post a pic of yourself. I'm dying to see what steroids have done for you and I don't mean that scarcastically. I've used em and got to 260 but I'm curious to see what they've done for you so please post a pic and no photoshop editing.

Iron Assassin · 01-08-2004, 04:12 PM

I understand exactly what you are saying about not trying PH's if you are not aware of what you are getting into. I admit I have been away from all these new developments myself, and am getting an eye opener.

My questions are for a buddy who does not come on this site, and even if he did has very little time for research. He just got a couple bottles of Nutrex 1-Tu and is planning on trying it. He has been away from lifting for a while, and has been at it pretty consistantly for about 8 weeks. I myself would rather get to a point where I was no longer seeing any mass or strength gains before trying something like this to take me over the top, else how can you really know what the supplement is doing for you. Anyway he is ignorant to potential risks and if I can inform him maybe it will better prepare him, or shy him away for now.

He has thyroid issues, and is on medication. He has slightly elevated blood pressure levels, slightly high in cholesterol/ ldl's are high, and high in triglycerides as well.

What potential risks is he taking, ie can these levels be altered for the worse by taking the 1-tu? Is it possible that they can cause permenant harm, or is it likely of a temporary nature? Also about the sexual function, what concerns here? Any concerns with gyno or anything else of that nature?

He is 37 and slightly overweight.

Any suggestions on precautions to take like a stack, or a cycle with something to follow up with like Trib or something, any type of estrogen receptor blockers? Or any other supplements that would be safer.

I am mainly concerned about his health. I have read where some substances are more dangerous like m-1t, but am not sure of a dermal apllication is safer or not.

Any help would be great, and thanks for putting up with my insanely long question filled post.

Jay

**dg806** · 01-08-2004, 05:43 PM

Welcome Iron Assassin! The best thing he could do would be come here or any other good bodybuilding board and learn everything he can. Ph's will make blood lipids worse, and in this case his are already high. I would work on my diet and get them down along with the cholesterol before taking them! You can have some temporary lack of libido when on PH's, but it should get better after you discontinue use. Ph's also can raise blood pressure. There are some stickies here with alot of info. If you have any more questions, you can reach me at my two e-mail addresses in my sig or on this board.
BTW, you sound like a good pal to have!

darklight · 01-08-2004, 08:19 PM

Does anybody here took a blood sample weekly to an endicronologist and made some tests to be sure that there aren't any peak levels on T levels? (or just even made it to look themselvs to the tests)...

Maybe i don't know (YET) how to start this in a good way, but when i'll start it, it'll be the best way!
Most of the trades i believe that arn't concert of your future health! You'll pay to some doc to "save" you... But i didn't want for me the future: "save me doc, my endocr system is a mess...". Need a good way, to reach a way, that one day someone will pay for me a team of doc's to look after the best values for me! THAT would be nice! =) besides, i think here everybody looking after the same thing! (cheers to those that already reached that point).

My point is, just asked a few quest and nobody could say anything about it that i could learn something!(sorry, i lie: THKS Mudge!! Didn't help much due to my english, but at least you were interested..) If this forum isn't to help each other's, in this case Teach, what's the point!? This is a excelent forum, but bit dissapointed...

and hey, i'm not a priest!

Iron Assassin · 01-08-2004, 10:08 PM

dg808

I appreciate your thoughtful response very much. I had a talk with my buddy this eve, and gave him something to think about. He is defineately not going to rush into anything. He was kind of under the impression that health food companies would not be selling things that could be potentially dangerous, or that required a great deal of education before using them. I will try to get him to come to the site, but in the mean time I will try to educate myself so I can help him in the future if need be.

Thanks
Jay

Kuzinbo · 01-19-2004, 08:23 AM

dg808

I read your post on the Transdermals. Took you long enough. I think I asked about this type of product last year. Finally someone put some info up about it. Too bad, I hunted down the info on my own months prior. But hey, who am I. Any how. For me the transdermals rock any oral stuff. But hey that is my stomach's problem not yours.

BUSTINOUT · 01-19-2004, 09:08 AM

wahhh wahh wahhh

firestorm · 01-19-2004, 06:14 PM

BO your bitch!!!! hahahahaha Go ahead start the sheeit up.. hahahahaha

**dg806** · 01-19-2004, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kuzinbo
dg808

I read your post on the Transdermals. Took you long enough. I think I asked about this type of product last year. Finally someone put some info up about it. Too bad, I hunted down the info on my own months prior. But hey, who am I. Any how. For me the transdermals rock any oral stuff. But hey that is my stomach's problem not yours.

The reason I didn't is because there was so much out there on the subject. But I need to hear things like this. If there is something some of you want, let me know and I will do what I can!

Kuzinbo · 01-19-2004, 10:59 PM

Let me make myself Abs-sew-loot-lee clear. I in no way was trying to give the old slamo to dg806 (sorry about the name mistake). He has been a mensa answering many questions for me on various topics. I was only commenting on why someone took so long to post the transdermal supps. I have done a few cycles of some trans'ies and they work so good for me. I was blessed with a castiron stomach, thanks to mom's suck ass bland cooking all my life. My stomach has hardened itself due to too many salsbury steaks and steakums over my single years. My stomach acids tear up anything oral, and I was getting some very impressive results from the ole cream de la cream. Although I am trying out some finigenx magnum right now, I will buy some more trans'ies next week when my 3 grand comes in from my third job. I will tell you what, last stint brought me up to 242, with a little around the old doughnut holder, but I was eating like a haus to bulk a bit. I have had two months off the gym due to getting hitched, and some schedule changes, but I will lay some hard cash on the fact that I will hit at least the 250 mark. I do not think that is too shabby for someone who was at 182 three years ago.

Once again, thanks dg806 for your sharing of your infinite knowledge. If ya have any thing on this finigenx. let me know. But, I would like to know before I lay out more cash...

Kuzinbo · 01-24-2004, 08:39 AM

BTW, I uploaded a picture of me at 220. I am getting close to 240 again, and hopefully, I will reach my 250 goal. I read through a bunch of topics, and it looks like the s1+ is an amazing deal on the site suggested. It is actually cheaper than the simular transdermal I was buying in the past. So, I am probably going to switch over for this cycle. After all the reading, I still was unable to find this one specific answer: Is there a good product to stack with s1+?

Hey Dg806... I found a post from you that was rather interesting. Nice to hear advice from a "brother"

eskimo515 · 08-04-2004, 03:00 PM

This is a great thread. One of best on the site and cleared up any possible thoughts I had of trying PH's. To each his/her own.

**dg806** · 08-05-2004, 09:21 AM

Glad it was of some help to you! If you have any questions, just yell.

11-18-2003, 09:56 AM	#1
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	Ph Questions - Listen Up!! I get tons of questions on PH use and ways to avoid side effects. If you are concerned about potential side effects from estrogen or DHT you should not be using prohormones!!. If you don't know what the side effects are or what DHT does, YOU NEED TO DO SOME RESEARCH! This is more for the people who say "what is the best prohormone without side effects?". Very dumb question. There is no such thing. Estrogen and DHT play a major role in gains, and if you don't understand that, then you shouldn't be using these substances. Part of using prohormones should be understanding how they work in your body. If you say "I'm scared of estrogen" then don't use prohormones. All of them can potentially increase estrogen. Sorry, thats just the way it is. You can always take ancilleries, but if you are asking this question, you obviously didn't know that. - If you are under 21, you shouldn't take prohormes and don't ask - If you have trained a year or less, you should not take PH'S - If you don't eat 6 meals a day to gain naturally, don't take PH's - If you don't get 8 hours of sleep a night don't waste your time - If you take recreational drugs, don't bother with PH's - If you have high blood pressure, diabetes or other problems, don't use PH's Just because you are trying to accomodate your poor workouts and diet with prohormones, it is not going to work. Learn how to eat, sleep, and workout properly first!! Plan your cycle and dosage and post cycle first!! The reasons for having this available to you should be obvious. If you don't know why you need post cycle drugs, you shouldn't be using prohormones. 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

11-29-2003, 12:18 AM	#2
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,741	damn straight You've never lived untill you've almost died, life has an excitement that the protected will never know.

11-29-2003, 07:58 AM	#3
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	Besides being a rant, these are for general precautions. 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

12-24-2003, 05:42 PM	#4
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,741	lol, that why im not using PH. heheh You've never lived untill you've almost died, life has an excitement that the protected will never know.

12-24-2003, 05:48 PM	#5
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Have to have the bottom end of your engine nice and stout with clearances checked before you put on the supercharger! Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-26-2003, 04:30 AM	#6
Testosterone Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Punjab Posts: 391	The thing is Why Use Pro-Hormones? Just waste of money and time even if you eat big, rest big and train hard? Why not get the Real Gear Straight Away? We all know PH's are weaker versions of Anabolic Steroids, then why take Ph's when we know quite clearly tht Estrogen & DHT are inevitable with Ph's use! STRENGTH & HONOR

12-27-2003, 11:36 AM	#7
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	Leagality issues! 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

12-27-2003, 02:11 PM	#11
Testosterone Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Punjab Posts: 391	I c. But in our country what $$ is greater than Rx. No problems whatsoever! But I guess you can get them online DISCREET!!!!!!!!!! EVER TRIED ONE OF THOSE? STRENGTH & HONOR

01-04-2004, 12:13 AM	#13
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	I won't for one. I will not take even the slightest chance of getting in trouble with the law besides that "fear". If I did get caught what kind of example would I be giving my 2 boys. I teach them right from wrong and breaking the law is breaking the law and here we are talking about breaking a Federal law not just running a stop sign. 2ndly,,, Anabolics even as strong as they are, are much more expensive and then you also if you decide to spend all that money you have to have a "reliable" source. I remember when the drugs were NOT a federal offense and I wasn't married and when the prices were 1/2 of what they are now and even then you had to worry about fakes. I certainly wouldn't want to put out a grand for sesame seed oil.

01-04-2004, 02:14 AM	#15
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	So Test when are you going to post a pic of yourself. I'm dying to see what steroids have done for you and I don't mean that scarcastically. I've used em and got to 260 but I'm curious to see what they've done for you so please post a pic and no photoshop editing.

01-08-2004, 04:12 PM	#16
Iron Assassin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 9	I understand exactly what you are saying about not trying PH's if you are not aware of what you are getting into. I admit I have been away from all these new developments myself, and am getting an eye opener. My questions are for a buddy who does not come on this site, and even if he did has very little time for research. He just got a couple bottles of Nutrex 1-Tu and is planning on trying it. He has been away from lifting for a while, and has been at it pretty consistantly for about 8 weeks. I myself would rather get to a point where I was no longer seeing any mass or strength gains before trying something like this to take me over the top, else how can you really know what the supplement is doing for you. Anyway he is ignorant to potential risks and if I can inform him maybe it will better prepare him, or shy him away for now. He has thyroid issues, and is on medication. He has slightly elevated blood pressure levels, slightly high in cholesterol/ ldl's are high, and high in triglycerides as well. What potential risks is he taking, ie can these levels be altered for the worse by taking the 1-tu? Is it possible that they can cause permenant harm, or is it likely of a temporary nature? Also about the sexual function, what concerns here? Any concerns with gyno or anything else of that nature? He is 37 and slightly overweight. Any suggestions on precautions to take like a stack, or a cycle with something to follow up with like Trib or something, any type of estrogen receptor blockers? Or any other supplements that would be safer. I am mainly concerned about his health. I have read where some substances are more dangerous like m-1t, but am not sure of a dermal apllication is safer or not. Any help would be great, and thanks for putting up with my insanely long question filled post. Jay

01-08-2004, 05:43 PM	#17
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	Welcome Iron Assassin! The best thing he could do would be come here or any other good bodybuilding board and learn everything he can. Ph's will make blood lipids worse, and in this case his are already high. I would work on my diet and get them down along with the cholesterol before taking them! You can have some temporary lack of libido when on PH's, but it should get better after you discontinue use. Ph's also can raise blood pressure. There are some stickies here with alot of info. If you have any more questions, you can reach me at my two e-mail addresses in my sig or on this board. BTW, you sound like a good pal to have! 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

01-08-2004, 08:19 PM	#18
darklight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 185	Does anybody here took a blood sample weekly to an endicronologist and made some tests to be sure that there aren't any peak levels on T levels? (or just even made it to look themselvs to the tests)... Maybe i don't know (YET) how to start this in a good way, but when i'll start it, it'll be the best way! Most of the trades i believe that arn't concert of your future health! You'll pay to some doc to "save" you... But i didn't want for me the future: "save me doc, my endocr system is a mess...". Need a good way, to reach a way, that one day someone will pay for me a team of doc's to look after the best values for me! THAT would be nice! =) besides, i think here everybody looking after the same thing! (cheers to those that already reached that point). My point is, just asked a few quest and nobody could say anything about it that i could learn something!(sorry, i lie: THKS Mudge!! Didn't help much due to my english, but at least you were interested..) If this forum isn't to help each other's, in this case Teach, what's the point!? This is a excelent forum, but bit dissapointed... and hey, i'm not a priest!

01-08-2004, 10:08 PM	#19
Iron Assassin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 9	dg808 I appreciate your thoughtful response very much. I had a talk with my buddy this eve, and gave him something to think about. He is defineately not going to rush into anything. He was kind of under the impression that health food companies would not be selling things that could be potentially dangerous, or that required a great deal of education before using them. I will try to get him to come to the site, but in the mean time I will try to educate myself so I can help him in the future if need be. Thanks Jay

01-19-2004, 08:23 AM	#20
Kuzinbo Junior "REDNECK" Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 72 Photos: 1	dg808 I read your post on the Transdermals. Took you long enough. I think I asked about this type of product last year. Finally someone put some info up about it. Too bad, I hunted down the info on my own months prior. But hey, who am I. Any how. For me the transdermals rock any oral stuff. But hey that is my stomach's problem not yours. To me, it is not how long you're in the gym... it is what you do why you are there... Intesity and Consistency are Paramount. Oh yeah, and eat plenty of fried chicken, whole milk and bacon. Ask any old farmer that usually lives to about 90+.

01-19-2004, 09:08 AM	#21
BUSTINOUT Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 2,418	wahhh wahh wahhh

01-19-2004, 06:14 PM	#22
firestorm P/RR/S Advisor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 7,765 Photos: 3	BO your bitch!!!! hahahahaha Go ahead start the sheeit up.. hahahahaha

01-19-2004, 10:59 PM	#24
Kuzinbo Junior "REDNECK" Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 72 Photos: 1	Let me make myself Abs-sew-loot-lee clear. I in no way was trying to give the old slamo to dg806 (sorry about the name mistake). He has been a mensa answering many questions for me on various topics. I was only commenting on why someone took so long to post the transdermal supps. I have done a few cycles of some trans'ies and they work so good for me. I was blessed with a castiron stomach, thanks to mom's suck ass bland cooking all my life. My stomach has hardened itself due to too many salsbury steaks and steakums over my single years. My stomach acids tear up anything oral, and I was getting some very impressive results from the ole cream de la cream. Although I am trying out some finigenx magnum right now, I will buy some more trans'ies next week when my 3 grand comes in from my third job. I will tell you what, last stint brought me up to 242, with a little around the old doughnut holder, but I was eating like a haus to bulk a bit. I have had two months off the gym due to getting hitched, and some schedule changes, but I will lay some hard cash on the fact that I will hit at least the 250 mark. I do not think that is too shabby for someone who was at 182 three years ago. Once again, thanks dg806 for your sharing of your infinite knowledge. If ya have any thing on this finigenx. let me know. But, I would like to know before I lay out more cash... To me, it is not how long you're in the gym... it is what you do why you are there... Intesity and Consistency are Paramount. Oh yeah, and eat plenty of fried chicken, whole milk and bacon. Ask any old farmer that usually lives to about 90+.

01-24-2004, 08:39 AM	#25
Kuzinbo Junior "REDNECK" Member Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 72 Photos: 1	BTW, I uploaded a picture of me at 220. I am getting close to 240 again, and hopefully, I will reach my 250 goal. I read through a bunch of topics, and it looks like the s1+ is an amazing deal on the site suggested. It is actually cheaper than the simular transdermal I was buying in the past. So, I am probably going to switch over for this cycle. After all the reading, I still was unable to find this one specific answer: Is there a good product to stack with s1+? Hey Dg806... I found a post from you that was rather interesting. Nice to hear advice from a "brother" To me, it is not how long you're in the gym... it is what you do why you are there... Intesity and Consistency are Paramount. Oh yeah, and eat plenty of fried chicken, whole milk and bacon. Ask any old farmer that usually lives to about 90+.

08-04-2004, 03:00 PM	#26
eskimo515 King of the Dog Freaks Elite Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 335	This is a great thread. One of best on the site and cleared up any possible thoughts I had of trying PH's. To each his/her own. Because I'm not on an Atkins Diet nor would I ever do one. I'm a BB not a dieter! - Jodi

08-05-2004, 09:21 AM	#27
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,197	Glad it was of some help to you! If you have any questions, just yell. 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

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