Which is Which?

BigTex · 11-19-2003, 06:42 PM

Hey guys I'm new to the forum, I've been reading some of your posts for about a week now and it is great.

I've just recently started back working out, I started working out when I was 14 (I'm now 33), but a auto accident put me out for the last 3 years. But now I'm back on the saddle and I need your help.

I've read in some of your post about the following products:
-Biotest Mag 10
-VPX 1-Test
-Syntrax Sauce
-SAN T-100
Molecular Nutrition's ethergel 1-Test
Transdermal

Which is the best to take?
How are they compared to: 19 Nor II and SCI FIT 1-Test?
And exactly how should I take the product?

Everyone's input is important to me.

BigTex · 11-19-2003, 07:55 PM

Maybe that question is too hard for you guys to answer or maybe I didn't explain myself correctly. So let me try it an easier way.

What product is best to stack with another product and what should I cycle it with?

Thanx!

SJ69 · 11-19-2003, 08:42 PM

I've been looking into this myself, and I'm no expert, but it seems like 1-methyl-Test is the most pwerful legal "supplement" you can get right now (a word of caution it is 17aa, thus has the same neg. impact on your liver as "real" oral steroids.
VPX and others make just regulat 1-test, by it self and stacked with 4-ad (I believe). The regular 1-test is easier on your live, but maybe not as effective as the 17aa on the m-1-test protects it from being broken down as it passes through the liver.

Randy · 11-19-2003, 09:29 PM

If you guys have questions on VPX products I think "gopro" would be the man to ask. Send him a PM, I'm sure he would be happy to help you.

BigTex · 11-19-2003, 11:15 PM

Hey guys thanx for the reply, I just read over 6 hrs of post and I think I got an idea of which direction I'd like to go in. And I'll take Randy's advice and send gopro a PM later.

HoldDaMayo · 11-19-2003, 11:35 PM

My recommendation is either:

S1+ on it's own with 12 sprays daily

norderm and 4derm with 12 sprays daily of each

I think either of these are good stacks that you won't have to worry about health issues and side effects as much... plus, transdermal application is healthier and generally more effective than oral. The exception to this rule is the methyl test... which i don't recommend for a first cycle...

JerseyDevil · 11-20-2003, 08:15 AM

I agree with HDM that it wouldn't be advisable to try Methyl 1-test for a first cycle. One thing to keep in mind when taking prohormones is that the key is to change substances so that your androgen receptors stay receptive

What I mean by that, is that there is some talk from folks I trust that your receptors basically build up a tolerance. One way to combat this is to use various substances. 1-AD is a good choice for a first cycle. A 1-test/4-AD transdermal would be good for a second cycle. Methyl 1-test for a third, etc. After three on/off cycles it would be a good idea to take a longer break like 8-12 weeks before doing another cycle.

BigTex · 11-20-2003, 03:45 PM

Thanx HDM and JerseyPaul for the input. JerseyPaul, you've given me a good example of what to take during the first, second, and third cycle.

Now, I have another question how long is each cycle and during the break before doing another cycle what supplements should I be taking: creatine, glutamine, whey protein?

And is it ok to take creatine or/and glutamine during the first, second and third cycle. Or maybe they are not neccesary?

Also I read on one of the post that 6-OXO is good to take and should I take this during the entire 8-12 off time?

BigTex · 11-20-2003, 04:16 PM

Oh and does VPX 1-Test come in a spray?

JerseyDevil · 11-21-2003, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigTex
Now, I have another question how long is each cycle and during the break before doing another cycle what supplements should I be taking: creatine, glutamine, whey protein?

It can vary, but a 4 week cycle is a good length. Shorter then that may not produce sufficient gains, longer has diminishing return and is harder to recover from. The exception may be M1-t. Haven't tried M1-t, but many say a two week cycle is best. The off cycle should equal the on - 4 weeks on/4 weeks off.

And is it ok to take creatine or/and glutamine during the first, second and third cycle. Or maybe they are not neccesary?

It wouldn't hurt to use creatine, especially on the off cycle. Glutamine and whey protein powder should be used.

Also I read on one of the post that 6-OXO is good to take and should I take this during the entire 8-12 off time?

A 3-4 week post cycle of 6-OXO is a must. It will help jump start your body's natural test production and help you keep the LBM gains. No more then 4 weeks is necessary.

bigswole30 · 11-21-2003, 05:31 AM

If this is your first cycle I would go with Syngex 1 stacked with EQ by VPX. The difference in these products and the Sci_fit products is the polylipid delivery system. Thhis delivery system gives you unmatched oral bioavailability with the exception of the methylated products.

BigTex · 11-21-2003, 10:18 AM

Hey guy, If 1-test/4-AD transdermal are the same as Syngex 1, then I could just buy the Syngex 1 and save some money. That seems to be the best way to go.

I just ordered the S1+, 1-AD, and 6-oxo.

fireball · 11-26-2003, 08:59 PM

just reading you guys posts. let me get this straight, the 6 oxo comes after you finish all cycles?

11-19-2003, 06:42 PM	#1
BigTex Everything's BIG in TEXAS Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 107	Which is Which? Hey guys I'm new to the forum, I've been reading some of your posts for about a week now and it is great. I've just recently started back working out, I started working out when I was 14 (I'm now 33), but a auto accident put me out for the last 3 years. But now I'm back on the saddle and I need your help. I've read in some of your post about the following products: -Biotest Mag 10 -VPX 1-Test -Syntrax Sauce -SAN T-100 Molecular Nutrition's ethergel 1-Test Transdermal Which is the best to take? How are they compared to: 19 Nor II and SCI FIT 1-Test? And exactly how should I take the product? Everyone's input is important to me.

11-19-2003, 07:55 PM	#2
BigTex Everything's BIG in TEXAS Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 107	Maybe that question is too hard for you guys to answer or maybe I didn't explain myself correctly. So let me try it an easier way. What product is best to stack with another product and what should I cycle it with? Thanx!
	Motivation is what gets you started. Habit is what keeps you going.

11-19-2003, 08:42 PM	#3
SJ69 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Philly Posts: 1,023 Photos: 1	I've been looking into this myself, and I'm no expert, but it seems like 1-methyl-Test is the most pwerful legal "supplement" you can get right now (a word of caution it is 17aa, thus has the same neg. impact on your liver as "real" oral steroids. VPX and others make just regulat 1-test, by it self and stacked with 4-ad (I believe). The regular 1-test is easier on your live, but maybe not as effective as the 17aa on the m-1-test protects it from being broken down as it passes through the liver.
	"I don't like small cars or real big women, but somehow I always find myself in 'em" - KR

11-19-2003, 09:29 PM	#4
Randy Woof! Woof! Woof! Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: California Posts: 7,859 Photos: 4	If you guys have questions on VPX products I think "gopro" would be the man to ask. Send him a PM, I'm sure he would be happy to help you.
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11-19-2003, 11:15 PM	#5
BigTex Everything's BIG in TEXAS Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 107	Hey guys thanx for the reply, I just read over 6 hrs of post and I think I got an idea of which direction I'd like to go in. And I'll take Randy's advice and send gopro a PM later.
	Motivation is what gets you started. Habit is what keeps you going.

11-19-2003, 11:35 PM	#6
HoldDaMayo Just call me Mayo Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 1,917 Photos: 4	My recommendation is either: S1+ on it's own with 12 sprays daily norderm and 4derm with 12 sprays daily of each I think either of these are good stacks that you won't have to worry about health issues and side effects as much... plus, transdermal application is healthier and generally more effective than oral. The exception to this rule is the methyl test... which i don't recommend for a first cycle...
	Are you kidding me????

11-20-2003, 08:15 AM	#7
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,180	I agree with HDM that it wouldn't be advisable to try Methyl 1-test for a first cycle. One thing to keep in mind when taking prohormones is that the key is to change substances so that your androgen receptors stay receptive What I mean by that, is that there is some talk from folks I trust that your receptors basically build up a tolerance. One way to combat this is to use various substances. 1-AD is a good choice for a first cycle. A 1-test/4-AD transdermal would be good for a second cycle. Methyl 1-test for a third, etc. After three on/off cycles it would be a good idea to take a longer break like 8-12 weeks before doing another cycle.

11-20-2003, 03:45 PM	#8
BigTex Everything's BIG in TEXAS Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 107	Thanx HDM and JerseyPaul for the input. JerseyPaul, you've given me a good example of what to take during the first, second, and third cycle. Now, I have another question how long is each cycle and during the break before doing another cycle what supplements should I be taking: creatine, glutamine, whey protein? And is it ok to take creatine or/and glutamine during the first, second and third cycle. Or maybe they are not neccesary? Also I read on one of the post that 6-OXO is good to take and should I take this during the entire 8-12 off time?
	Motivation is what gets you started. Habit is what keeps you going.

11-20-2003, 04:16 PM	#9
BigTex Everything's BIG in TEXAS Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 107	Oh and does VPX 1-Test come in a spray?
	Motivation is what gets you started. Habit is what keeps you going.

11-21-2003, 05:31 AM	#11
bigswole30 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: georgia Posts: 367	If this is your first cycle I would go with Syngex 1 stacked with EQ by VPX. The difference in these products and the Sci_fit products is the polylipid delivery system. Thhis delivery system gives you unmatched oral bioavailability with the exception of the methylated products.
	chad.brooks@epic-nutrition.com www.epic-nutrition.com www.prrstraining.com

11-21-2003, 10:18 AM	#12
BigTex Everything's BIG in TEXAS Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Texas Posts: 107	Hey guy, If 1-test/4-AD transdermal are the same as Syngex 1, then I could just buy the Syngex 1 and save some money. That seems to be the best way to go. I just ordered the S1+, 1-AD, and 6-oxo.
	Motivation is what gets you started. Habit is what keeps you going.

11-26-2003, 08:59 PM	#13
fireball open to anything Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 102	just reading you guys posts. let me get this straight, the 6 oxo comes after you finish all cycles?
fireball open to anything Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 102

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