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12-22-2003, 03:16 PM
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Just call me Mayo
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YES SIR!
heard many people recommend nolva... but depending on the length and dose of your cycle 6-oxo may suffice... Careful with this stuff... if you don't have PCT plans for a M1-T cycle, you should do some more research...
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12-22-2003, 03:17 PM
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Any PH or AAS (including anavar and primo) will affect your HPTA. If not, then it is not working at all. |
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12-22-2003, 04:06 PM
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12-22-2003, 05:12 PM
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lol. i know i know, i am completely ignorant with this stuff. im a diabetic and i take insulin, and i realized that if i took it about half an hour preworkout it would really gimme a boost... cant take too much tho... then after realizing this i read an article about how doctors say that insulin is anabolic. and that professional bodybuilders use this stuff alot bc it doesnt show up in drug tests cus insulin leaves the body so quickly... |
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12-22-2003, 06:11 PM
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Dieting I swear!
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With creatine and glutamine and NO ANABOLIC SUPPLEMENTS you can run them as long as you like. Insulin, stick to whatever your doctor tells you. Insulin is the human bodies nutrient shuttle, it can add muscle and it can add fat, it is non-specific when it moves nutrients. This is why it is used, it has nothing to do with drug tests. Drug testing is pretty much bogus in bodybuilding. Insulin however is deadly when used improperly and has claimed more lives probably than DNP or Usnic Acid combined. Feel free to ask any well thought out questions you might have. |
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12-23-2003, 12:04 AM
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sammy
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("does m1-t convert into estrogen?")
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say i do a 4 week cycle of m1-t (is that too long?), what would i need to use for post cycle therapy? and what happens after you stop using m1-t that makes u need post cycle therapy? is it bc when u stop your testosterone levels drop dramatically? it seems a little complicated... lol and yea...i heard the phraze "anabolic rate" in a news article so idk if they know what their talkin about ne more than i do .lol i am actually a diabetic myself and am pretty good with my insulin, and it does give me very powerful jolts of energy...but it usually only lasts about half an hour. although thats humalog. humalin lasts alot longer but u need to continually feed yourself thoughout the duration orelse lowbloodsugars. or worse... thnx for ur patience and help |
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12-23-2003, 12:33 AM
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Dieting I swear!
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What happens is, almost any anabolic item WILL turn off natural testosterone production. This is why people are taking short cycles, the longer you are on the more shutdown that will occur - and the harder to recover. Now I have never seen any studies comparing 6OXO to Nolvadex, so I can't say if people are doing 2 on 2 off because 6OXO sucks in comparison or what.
Seriously though, even Nolvadex can be weak without the help of my good friend HCG (injectable), when hard shutdown occurs and your nuts shrink, HCG gets them back fast allowing for a faster recovery with the Nolvadex tabs.
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MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu |
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12-23-2003, 01:07 AM
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Dieting I swear!
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Not saying anyone needs it, but if you are going to stay on for twice as long as anyone else, you are going to lengthen your recovery efforts.
Some people have been hit hard by even pro-hormone cycles, to the point of nut shrinkage. This to me is strange because I have to be on testosterone for months before I first saw this occur. HCG is used to stimulate LH, which tells the leydig cells to fill up the old yam bag. Your "yam bag" as it were is your testosterone factory, not just a sperm house (steroli cell responsiblity), so if your factory is at half capacity it will take a good while to get your factory back to full production - make sense now? The less shutdown you endure the faster and more complete your recovery will be. The longer you are on, the more leydig and steroli cells you kill off. |
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12-23-2003, 01:15 AM
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The Bunny Is Bulking!
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samat ...I reccomend baby steps...
-M1T as far as I can tell gets good gains, BUT your not clear on some things.... research it, research cycles wth it, research how people are reacting to it(gains and side effects) -Message boards are great in the fact that you can get info from experienced guys, but your losing alot of the little details if you dont read ARTICLES, FAQS, and WRITEUPS(Ive spent hella hours researching and still do every day) -for example- Mudge reccomended HCG in some situations. (For the record its good as a intermediary between end of cycle and PCT.) But if you read up a few articles you would find out that its a controlled substance and it needs to be used in a fairly complex window between the end of a cycle and the start of hard core PCT. Im not steering you away from M1T...Im steering you toward looking up a few articles so you can get the fine details with the meat and potatoes your getting here. |
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12-23-2003, 01:23 AM
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Dieting I swear!
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Yep, if you are sticking to completely legal items then dont push your luck by going beyond what others are doing. Basically it comes down to that, learn how others run it, and I'd follow the same to avoid issues. If you are shut down and dont end up recovering, besides small nuts, gains are going to suck the next cycle and you only end up becoming frustrated.
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12-23-2003, 04:45 AM
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samat these guys are being easy on you definitly need to research alot more you sound pretty clueless. how old are you ? also how long have you been lifting? are you planning on liver support ? are you going to get anything for blood pressure?
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12-23-2003, 05:08 PM
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im 20 and been workin out for about 2 1/2 yrs.
liver support? how about distilled water and no beer? lol yeh ive been looking into prosteroids for about a month and dont worry im not gonna jump right into this. wanna learn as much as possible. plus this shit sounds expensive as all hell. i have been reading how other have been taking it, (10 weeks!!!!??? ) if i was to try it it would be for 2 weeks.. see how my body reacts to it... |
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12-23-2003, 06:30 PM
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Not sure where you read 10 weeks, generally it has been ran 2-4 weeks, 2 weeks usually.
Liver support supps would be NAC, milk thistle, and either ALA or r-ALA. Not too expensive really, mike at 1fast400 will have 60 5 mg caps for under $30 in a couple weeks. |
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12-23-2003, 07:36 PM
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GO Buckeyes!
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12-23-2003, 08:39 PM
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its cheapest here, but i hate ordering shit online. http://www.discountanabolics.com/pag...VPX_SPORTS/VM1 |
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12-23-2003, 08:43 PM
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sammy
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theres so many damn terms ! wtf is DHT ??? in plain english please
by the way my name is sam, not samat! lol im english not indian. lol its sam-at-631 oh yea and i really appreciate all ur help guys thnx very much!  |
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12-23-2003, 08:46 PM
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sammy
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i foudn this other 1-test that completely bypasses the liver. mag-10!! then i wont have to deal with this liver support nonsense... and dont worry im not a big drinker...no drinks on prosteroids...
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12-23-2003, 08:47 PM
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happy sumo
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It may not aromatize, but it will raise your test levels, and in turn, raise your estrogen levels to match. So although they can claim there is no aromitazation, you still get increased estrogen. Hence the post cycle 6-OXO, or Nolvadex/HCG
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12-24-2003, 12:10 AM
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Dieting I swear!
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12-24-2003, 05:33 AM
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also mag 10 can't even compare to m1t
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