Started the M1T early...

**Dale Mabry** · 11-25-2003, 02:01 PM

So, as I stared at that bottle of M1T and the protein drinks, I couldn't come up with a single good reason not to start my cycle yesterday, so I did. I took 10 mg at 4pm and 10 mg at 8pm to get caught up. I did legs and shoulders in between those times and got the best placebo effect ever. Every weight went up. Anyway, I couldn't get to sleep last night, but I blame that primarily on me staying up til 4am the night before. So, today I took 10mg at 7 am and worked out at 1pm. Had a great workout, did back and tris. Got a huge pump, but so far, all of the things I have experienced can all be chalked up to placebo effect. Gained 3 lbs, but that can be chalked up to an increase in cals. I will say that last night, after my workout, I was very lethargic and almost fell asleep, but I don't know if that was carb crash from the surge or from the M1t. Right now I am feeling pretty good and am hoping to get back on a better schedule. Training-wise, my plan is to have a 3 day split, but workout 4 days a week so that I hit 1 group of bodyparts twice a week. Originally, I was going to do a Westside style split, but switched because I felt I would gain more size with a bodybuilding routine. Supplement-wise, my plan is to wake up at 7am, take a piss and my M1T and then go back to bed for a couple hours. Anyway, here is what everything will look like.

Everyday
2x10mg M1T, 1 mg Finasteride
200mg Milk Thistle before every meal
1g MSM 3 times a day
5g creatine
Micellean MRP Right before bed

Training Days
5g creatine preworkout
5g creatine postworkout
Biotest Surge Postworkout...

And most importantly, zero alcohol for 3 weeks.

Split
Week 1
Mon-Legs/Shoulders
Tue-Back/Tris
Wednesday off
Thurs-Chest/Bis
Fri-Legs/Shoulders

Week 2
Mon-Back/Tris
Tue-Chest/Bis
Wednesday off
Thurs-Legs/Shoulders
Fri-Back/Tris

Week 3
Mon-Chest/Bis
Tue-Legs/SHoulders
Wednesday off
Thurs-Back/Tris
Fri-Chest/Bis

Edit: Forgot to add, I am severely dehydrated. I have already drank 3/4 of a gallon of water today and my lips and skin are really dry which wasn't the case about 48 hours ago.

**Dale Mabry** · 11-26-2003, 10:55 AM

Soooooo... Have attained some significant sides from the product as well as good effects.

I took my 2nd M1T dose last night at around 6pm. About 1.5 hours later, I crashed hard, real hard. I pretty much passed out on the couch for 10 mins on the couch while watching TV. I took my surge at 1pm so I do not believe it had anything to do with it.

After my little cat nap, I was wide awake until 2:30am. I went to bed at 2:30 and didn't fall asleep til 4am. I tossed and turned all night.

Woke up this morning, felt down south, and noticed my nuts had gotten smaller, alot smaller.

I am sweating alot more, but one weird thing I noticed was that when I go to bed, I can actually feel my body heat resonating off the covers, never felt that before.

Went to the mirror this morning to put in my contacts and when i got them in, I noticed my shoulders and chest were very hard looking, alot more so than usual. When I got into work today, the ole boss asked if I was hitting the weights especially hard or something because I look alot bigger. I also feel alot wider, but that is prolly my imagination.

My back is really F'in sore right now.

I have no real appetite suppression, but i would be amazed if I ever get that. You are talking to a kid who used to eat 2 PB&J sandwiches, a small bag of chips, and 2 swiss rolls for lunch in 2nd Grade.

HoldDaMayo · 11-26-2003, 12:10 PM

I'm surprised you already see results in just 1-2 days...

**Dale Mabry** · 11-26-2003, 12:34 PM

On the 3rd day and, yes I was very surprised, but I think pretty much everything can be chalked up to placebo with the exception of my raisin sack. I was going to get out my calipers and check their diameter, but I don't have a baseline anyway so I see no point in putting myself thru that pain.

**dg806** · 11-26-2003, 12:40 PM

I can't see how that would have any affect yet.

Normally it would take weeks.

**Dale Mabry** · 11-26-2003, 01:43 PM

I wonder if they change size during the day. I am only guessing that they feel small since I don't walk around with my balls in my hand all day.

It also could have been cuz I was warm, I am heatin up like a bastard these days.

**dg806** · 11-26-2003, 02:34 PM

Me thinks you are paranoid!

JerseyDevil · 11-26-2003, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
... they feel small since I don't walk around with my balls in my hand all day.

Hey it's ok to be a little paranoid. You might be getting a placebo effect Dale, but if the reports going around about M1-t are true you may very well be seeing results already.

I'm in the first week of a S1+ cycle that I'm planning on doing for 4 weeks. Yours truly ordered two bottles of the Legal Gear stuff, I know more expensive but still not a bad deal - 80 caps for $50. So it will be at least 7-8 weeks before I start using it....

**Dale Mabry** · 11-28-2003, 05:56 PM

Well, all I can say is holy shit. So for the past 4 weeks I have been plateaued on flat bench at 275 for 3-4 reps. So, today I benched and here are the results compared to before:

Before M1T
205 9-10 reps
235 7 reps
255 5 reps
275 3-4 reps

Today after 5 days on M1T
205 10 reps
245 8 reps
275 6 reps
295 3 reps

This is highly encouraging considering strength gains are not usually seen until weeks 2-3. I look significantly larger and a few sides have crept in. I get what I consider a highly mild headache at the base of my skull from time to time, but it is very mild and usually goes away when I drink a quart of water. I would say that I am not lethargic, but there are periods of the day where I have zero energy which are followed shortly thereafter with periods of endless energy. I am also a little constipated and am pissing quite often. Well, I have to shower and I can hardly hold my hands up anymore so I am out.

Var · 11-28-2003, 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
I wonder if they change size during the day. I am only guessing that they feel small since I don't walk around with my balls in my hand all day.

It also could have been cuz I was warm, I am heatin up like a bastard these days.

When I did One+, my nuts shrunk up faster than they should have. Maybe some people just have a higher sensitivity in that area??? I don't know. It was very noticible to me after about 7 days. And yes...I actually do walk around "with my balls in my hand all day".

**dg806** · 11-29-2003, 08:05 AM

Dave, why don't you consider running some transdermal 4/ad with this to help with lathargy. It will help bulk too.

**Dale Mabry** · 11-29-2003, 12:38 PM

I'm not really having issues with lethargy, maybe for 20 mins after I take it, but not for a significant amount of time. Also, I hate putting transdermals on for some reason, it is such a pain in the ass and they generally stink.

HoldDaMayo · 11-29-2003, 12:59 PM

I'm with you Dale, I will never ever use transdermals again, what a paan in the ass...(it gets in your eyes, your nose, and is just a pain to deal with... even hours after you put it on, if you touch that body part and then touch your eyes or nose, you feel burning... I would rather just deal with pills... even if they are a bit less effective...

**Dale Mabry** · 11-29-2003, 01:31 PM

Don't even get me into putting conatcts in, that just plain sucks. If your arm itches, yo itch and and then you have to frickin wash your hands, but that doesn't even help and you feel like your eyeballs are gonna burn out of your head.

**dg806** · 11-29-2003, 01:59 PM

Yeah I bet contacts are a bitch. But I love the smell of transdermals and I love to rub it on. I'm weird!

Sir Foxx · 11-29-2003, 02:41 PM

I'm with you dg. Earlier this year when I did a cycle of BDC's TD's, it was like a ritual in the morning and again at night. Then one day I wake up, cycle's done, and I've got all of this time on my hands.

It felt wrong not to rub

My homage to Signs

**dg806** · 11-29-2003, 02:45 PM

Hey welcome to IM Sir Foxx! Glad to see you here bro. Be sure to hang out when you can. We need some more people with experience like yourself!!

Sir Foxx · 11-29-2003, 02:58 PM

Thanks dg, this looks like another cool board, glad to be here.

**Dale Mabry** · 11-29-2003, 05:50 PM

Well, here is leg/shoulder day, some sides crept in. First off, I basically went ahead and decided I would see how many sets it would take for me to hit the same volume at 295 as when I did my Westside-style workout. Well, with Westside pre-M1T I did 295 for 8 sets of 3 which would give me 24 reps to shoot for, which I got today in 4 sets of 6. This stuff is the real deal. I did shoulders today too, but knocked down the volume since I did heavy chest yesterday. I got the same weights I got on Monday on shoulder press, which surprised me since I did this the day after chest.

Well, on my way to the gym, my right calf started to cramp slightly and it is still slightly cramped. I drank a ton and in a little while I will be hammering the potassium. My joints really hurt today after shoulders, but it is bearable. Another thing of note is that I sometimes find myself needing to breathe in extra deep, just an observation, I don't know the reasoning behind it, maybe my muscles are requiring more oxygen to repair themselves. One side that is kinda positive...I had to grab the squat bar about 4 inches wider than usual on each side because my chest was so tight from yesterday. I believe we are dealing with the real stuff boys, regardless of what T-mag will have you believe.

**Dale Mabry** · 11-29-2003, 05:53 PM

Oops, one more thing of note, I have broken the 220 lbs barrier for the first time without being a fat bastard. I am at 225 lbs up from 214 lbs on Monday. This has made me decide to alter my original cycle in terms of diet. I will finish this week off at a surplus, I will do next week at maintenance, and then the 3rd week at 300-500 below maintenance. I do not want to go to VT weighing more than 220 since I will be doing a bit of wrestling while I am there.

**Dale Mabry** · 12-01-2003, 04:10 PM

Well, I am thinking I am more the exception than the rule as I stepped on the scales and now weigh 229 lbs, up from 214.5 last Monday. Strength was great and pump was huge. Did back and tris today, doing chest and bis tomorrow. I am thinking I am gonna run this til I hit at most 235 lbs and then give it a rest. I will not exceed 3 weeks. It seems as though I get stronger as the workout goes on, really weird. I would say I am a bit more aggressive, but no more than I can control.

Sir Foxx · 12-01-2003, 07:17 PM

Excellent gains. Keep it up. Are you finding the extra potassium is working for your cramping? How are the joints?

**Dale Mabry** · 12-01-2003, 08:10 PM

I have had a tiny cramp in my right calf for the past couple days, but I think it is more of a knot. I have not gotten any other cramping whatsoever and I am pretty sure it is due to the potassium. Funny thing is, I am just using NoSalt as my pottassium, I just put it on food whenever I eat something. I get the sodium free kind, not the one that is potassium and sodium. As for my joints, they are actually a little better than they were before I started, but I think this is more of a result of the MSM kicking in. They are very sore immediately following a workout, but not in a painful way, kinda like a burning sensation really.

**Dale Mabry** · 12-02-2003, 07:48 PM

Well, weight dropped to 225 after lifting on an empty stomach, I would imagine that my weight is around 227 since I was extremely full yesterday when I weighed in. I benched today and weights stayed the same, regardless of the fact that I did tris yesterday. My Bis were stronger than last week by about 10lbs a side on DB curls.

**Dale Mabry** · 12-03-2003, 10:35 AM

Well, Got the baseline measurements from my journal and made measurements today. Here are the goods.

Baseline measurements

Weight 214 lbs

Circumferences
Shoulders 49.5"
Biceps 14.75" both
Chest 43"
Forearms 12.5" both
Abdomen 34"
Waist 33.5"
Thigh both 24"
Calves both 16"

Dec. 3, 2003-Day 10 M1T

Shoulders 52.5"
Biceps 15.25" unflexed, 17 1/8" flexed
Chest 45"
Forearms 12.75" unflexed, 14" flexed
Abdomen 33.75"
Waist 33.75"
Thigh both 24.5" unflexed
Calves both 16.25" unflexed

So, what I see in the mirror seems to be true in the measurements, my shoulders seem to be getting the most out of all of this which I like cause I have always wanted to be wider.

Edit: By the way, these baseline measurements were taken about 2-3 weeks prior to starting the M1T.

Twin Peak · 12-04-2003, 03:30 PM

Interesting.

**Dale Mabry** · 12-04-2003, 03:43 PM

Here are some more notes, just got back from the gym...

Squat went up substantially-4x4 went up to 325 from 295
Maxed the leg curl machine stack out for 12 reps
Shoulder press went up-4x4 went from 165 to 200
My shoulders hurt alot

Non-gym notes-

Weight went to 231 today, but I pigged out yesterday so I would not put stock in this. I imagine I am at around 227 or so.

I tend to burp alot more on this stuff then usual. Farting is still the same.

I am shitting the same number of times per day, but I am shitting so much more at each sitting. I would say this is a result of me eating slightly more this week than in previous ones.

My gains have not slowed yet so I will keep going for another week.

**Mudge** · 12-04-2003, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
I tend to burp alot more on this stuff then usual. Farting is still the same.

Excellent review as always

Brando457 · 12-05-2003, 11:46 AM

any sides from it yet? and what are you doing post cycle ?

**Dale Mabry** · 12-05-2003, 12:54 PM

Doing 6 oxo postcycle, no real sides, although I think the lethargy may be starting to come in.

11-25-2003, 02:01 PM	#1
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	Started the M1T early... So, as I stared at that bottle of M1T and the protein drinks, I couldn't come up with a single good reason not to start my cycle yesterday, so I did. I took 10 mg at 4pm and 10 mg at 8pm to get caught up. I did legs and shoulders in between those times and got the best placebo effect ever. Every weight went up. Anyway, I couldn't get to sleep last night, but I blame that primarily on me staying up til 4am the night before. So, today I took 10mg at 7 am and worked out at 1pm. Had a great workout, did back and tris. Got a huge pump, but so far, all of the things I have experienced can all be chalked up to placebo effect. Gained 3 lbs, but that can be chalked up to an increase in cals. I will say that last night, after my workout, I was very lethargic and almost fell asleep, but I don't know if that was carb crash from the surge or from the M1t. Right now I am feeling pretty good and am hoping to get back on a better schedule. Training-wise, my plan is to have a 3 day split, but workout 4 days a week so that I hit 1 group of bodyparts twice a week. Originally, I was going to do a Westside style split, but switched because I felt I would gain more size with a bodybuilding routine. Supplement-wise, my plan is to wake up at 7am, take a piss and my M1T and then go back to bed for a couple hours. Anyway, here is what everything will look like. Everyday 2x10mg M1T, 1 mg Finasteride 200mg Milk Thistle before every meal 1g MSM 3 times a day 5g creatine Micellean MRP Right before bed Training Days 5g creatine preworkout 5g creatine postworkout Biotest Surge Postworkout... And most importantly, zero alcohol for 3 weeks. Split Week 1 Mon-Legs/Shoulders Tue-Back/Tris Wednesday off Thurs-Chest/Bis Fri-Legs/Shoulders Week 2 Mon-Back/Tris Tue-Chest/Bis Wednesday off Thurs-Legs/Shoulders Fri-Back/Tris Week 3 Mon-Chest/Bis Tue-Legs/SHoulders Wednesday off Thurs-Back/Tris Fri-Chest/Bis Edit: Forgot to add, I am severely dehydrated. I have already drank 3/4 of a gallon of water today and my lips and skin are really dry which wasn't the case about 48 hours ago. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

11-26-2003, 10:55 AM	#2
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	Soooooo... Have attained some significant sides from the product as well as good effects. I took my 2nd M1T dose last night at around 6pm. About 1.5 hours later, I crashed hard, real hard. I pretty much passed out on the couch for 10 mins on the couch while watching TV. I took my surge at 1pm so I do not believe it had anything to do with it. After my little cat nap, I was wide awake until 2:30am. I went to bed at 2:30 and didn't fall asleep til 4am. I tossed and turned all night. Woke up this morning, felt down south, and noticed my nuts had gotten smaller, alot smaller. I am sweating alot more, but one weird thing I noticed was that when I go to bed, I can actually feel my body heat resonating off the covers, never felt that before. Went to the mirror this morning to put in my contacts and when i got them in, I noticed my shoulders and chest were very hard looking, alot more so than usual. When I got into work today, the ole boss asked if I was hitting the weights especially hard or something because I look alot bigger. I also feel alot wider, but that is prolly my imagination. My back is really F'in sore right now. I have no real appetite suppression, but i would be amazed if I ever get that. You are talking to a kid who used to eat 2 PB&J sandwiches, a small bag of chips, and 2 swiss rolls for lunch in 2nd Grade. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

11-26-2003, 12:10 PM	#3
HoldDaMayo Just call me Mayo Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 1,917 Photos: 4	I'm surprised you already see results in just 1-2 days... Are you kidding me????

11-26-2003, 12:34 PM	#4
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	On the 3rd day and, yes I was very surprised, but I think pretty much everything can be chalked up to placebo with the exception of my raisin sack. I was going to get out my calipers and check their diameter, but I don't have a baseline anyway so I see no point in putting myself thru that pain. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

11-26-2003, 12:40 PM	#5
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,192	I can't see how that would have any affect yet. Normally it would take weeks. 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

11-26-2003, 01:43 PM	#6
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	I wonder if they change size during the day. I am only guessing that they feel small since I don't walk around with my balls in my hand all day. It also could have been cuz I was warm, I am heatin up like a bastard these days. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

11-26-2003, 02:34 PM	#7
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,192	Me thinks you are paranoid! 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

11-28-2003, 05:56 PM	#9
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	Well, all I can say is holy shit. So for the past 4 weeks I have been plateaued on flat bench at 275 for 3-4 reps. So, today I benched and here are the results compared to before: Before M1T 205 9-10 reps 235 7 reps 255 5 reps 275 3-4 reps Today after 5 days on M1T 205 10 reps 245 8 reps 275 6 reps 295 3 reps This is highly encouraging considering strength gains are not usually seen until weeks 2-3. I look significantly larger and a few sides have crept in. I get what I consider a highly mild headache at the base of my skull from time to time, but it is very mild and usually goes away when I drink a quart of water. I would say that I am not lethargic, but there are periods of the day where I have zero energy which are followed shortly thereafter with periods of endless energy. I am also a little constipated and am pissing quite often. Well, I have to shower and I can hardly hold my hands up anymore so I am out. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

11-29-2003, 08:05 AM	#11
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,192	Dave, why don't you consider running some transdermal 4/ad with this to help with lathargy. It will help bulk too. 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

11-29-2003, 12:38 PM	#12
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	I'm not really having issues with lethargy, maybe for 20 mins after I take it, but not for a significant amount of time. Also, I hate putting transdermals on for some reason, it is such a pain in the ass and they generally stink. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

11-29-2003, 12:59 PM	#13
HoldDaMayo Just call me Mayo Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 1,917 Photos: 4	I'm with you Dale, I will never ever use transdermals again, what a paan in the ass...(it gets in your eyes, your nose, and is just a pain to deal with... even hours after you put it on, if you touch that body part and then touch your eyes or nose, you feel burning... I would rather just deal with pills... even if they are a bit less effective... Are you kidding me????

11-29-2003, 01:31 PM	#14
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	Don't even get me into putting conatcts in, that just plain sucks. If your arm itches, yo itch and and then you have to frickin wash your hands, but that doesn't even help and you feel like your eyeballs are gonna burn out of your head. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

11-29-2003, 01:59 PM	#15
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,192	Yeah I bet contacts are a bitch. But I love the smell of transdermals and I love to rub it on. I'm weird! 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

11-29-2003, 02:41 PM	#16
Sir Foxx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MO Posts: 35	I'm with you dg. Earlier this year when I did a cycle of BDC's TD's, it was like a ritual in the morning and again at night. Then one day I wake up, cycle's done, and I've got all of this time on my hands. It felt wrong not to rub My homage to Signs "Loyalty above all else, except Honor" "I don't know which is worse, that everyone has price, or that the price is always so low"--Hobbes "To live is to suffer, to survive, well, that is to find meaning in the suffering" "That which is behind me, does not matter" "Give me the strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't, and the incapacity to tell the difference"--Calvin "I am the Path, not the Ride"

11-29-2003, 02:45 PM	#17
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,192	Hey welcome to IM Sir Foxx! Glad to see you here bro. Be sure to hang out when you can. We need some more people with experience like yourself!! 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

12-04-2003, 03:30 PM	#26
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Interesting. www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

11-29-2003, 02:58 PM	#18
Sir Foxx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MO Posts: 35	Thanks dg, this looks like another cool board, glad to be here. "Loyalty above all else, except Honor" "I don't know which is worse, that everyone has price, or that the price is always so low"--Hobbes "To live is to suffer, to survive, well, that is to find meaning in the suffering" "That which is behind me, does not matter" "Give me the strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't, and the incapacity to tell the difference"--Calvin "I am the Path, not the Ride"

11-29-2003, 05:50 PM	#19
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	Well, here is leg/shoulder day, some sides crept in. First off, I basically went ahead and decided I would see how many sets it would take for me to hit the same volume at 295 as when I did my Westside-style workout. Well, with Westside pre-M1T I did 295 for 8 sets of 3 which would give me 24 reps to shoot for, which I got today in 4 sets of 6. This stuff is the real deal. I did shoulders today too, but knocked down the volume since I did heavy chest yesterday. I got the same weights I got on Monday on shoulder press, which surprised me since I did this the day after chest. Well, on my way to the gym, my right calf started to cramp slightly and it is still slightly cramped. I drank a ton and in a little while I will be hammering the potassium. My joints really hurt today after shoulders, but it is bearable. Another thing of note is that I sometimes find myself needing to breathe in extra deep, just an observation, I don't know the reasoning behind it, maybe my muscles are requiring more oxygen to repair themselves. One side that is kinda positive...I had to grab the squat bar about 4 inches wider than usual on each side because my chest was so tight from yesterday. I believe we are dealing with the real stuff boys, regardless of what T-mag will have you believe. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

11-29-2003, 05:53 PM	#20
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	Oops, one more thing of note, I have broken the 220 lbs barrier for the first time without being a fat bastard. I am at 225 lbs up from 214 lbs on Monday. This has made me decide to alter my original cycle in terms of diet. I will finish this week off at a surplus, I will do next week at maintenance, and then the 3rd week at 300-500 below maintenance. I do not want to go to VT weighing more than 220 since I will be doing a bit of wrestling while I am there. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

12-01-2003, 04:10 PM	#21
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	Well, I am thinking I am more the exception than the rule as I stepped on the scales and now weigh 229 lbs, up from 214.5 last Monday. Strength was great and pump was huge. Did back and tris today, doing chest and bis tomorrow. I am thinking I am gonna run this til I hit at most 235 lbs and then give it a rest. I will not exceed 3 weeks. It seems as though I get stronger as the workout goes on, really weird. I would say I am a bit more aggressive, but no more than I can control. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

12-01-2003, 07:17 PM	#22
Sir Foxx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: MO Posts: 35	Excellent gains. Keep it up. Are you finding the extra potassium is working for your cramping? How are the joints? "Loyalty above all else, except Honor" "I don't know which is worse, that everyone has price, or that the price is always so low"--Hobbes "To live is to suffer, to survive, well, that is to find meaning in the suffering" "That which is behind me, does not matter" "Give me the strength to change what I can, the inability to accept what I can't, and the incapacity to tell the difference"--Calvin "I am the Path, not the Ride"

12-01-2003, 08:10 PM	#23
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	I have had a tiny cramp in my right calf for the past couple days, but I think it is more of a knot. I have not gotten any other cramping whatsoever and I am pretty sure it is due to the potassium. Funny thing is, I am just using NoSalt as my pottassium, I just put it on food whenever I eat something. I get the sodium free kind, not the one that is potassium and sodium. As for my joints, they are actually a little better than they were before I started, but I think this is more of a result of the MSM kicking in. They are very sore immediately following a workout, but not in a painful way, kinda like a burning sensation really. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

12-02-2003, 07:48 PM	#24
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	Well, weight dropped to 225 after lifting on an empty stomach, I would imagine that my weight is around 227 since I was extremely full yesterday when I weighed in. I benched today and weights stayed the same, regardless of the fact that I did tris yesterday. My Bis were stronger than last week by about 10lbs a side on DB curls. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

12-03-2003, 10:35 AM	#25
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	Well, Got the baseline measurements from my journal and made measurements today. Here are the goods. Baseline measurements Weight 214 lbs Circumferences Shoulders 49.5" Biceps 14.75" both Chest 43" Forearms 12.5" both Abdomen 34" Waist 33.5" Thigh both 24" Calves both 16" Dec. 3, 2003-Day 10 M1T Shoulders 52.5" Biceps 15.25" unflexed, 17 1/8" flexed Chest 45" Forearms 12.75" unflexed, 14" flexed Abdomen 33.75" Waist 33.75" Thigh both 24.5" unflexed Calves both 16.25" unflexed So, what I see in the mirror seems to be true in the measurements, my shoulders seem to be getting the most out of all of this which I like cause I have always wanted to be wider. Edit: By the way, these baseline measurements were taken about 2-3 weeks prior to starting the M1T. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

12-04-2003, 03:43 PM	#27
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	Here are some more notes, just got back from the gym... Squat went up substantially-4x4 went up to 325 from 295 Maxed the leg curl machine stack out for 12 reps Shoulder press went up-4x4 went from 165 to 200 My shoulders hurt alot Non-gym notes- Weight went to 231 today, but I pigged out yesterday so I would not put stock in this. I imagine I am at around 227 or so. I tend to burp alot more on this stuff then usual. Farting is still the same. I am shitting the same number of times per day, but I am shitting so much more at each sitting. I would say this is a result of me eating slightly more this week than in previous ones. My gains have not slowed yet so I will keep going for another week. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

12-05-2003, 11:46 AM	#29
Brando457 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Jersey Posts: 207	any sides from it yet? and what are you doing post cycle ? Brandon

12-05-2003, 12:54 PM	#30
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,327 Photos: 10	Doing 6 oxo postcycle, no real sides, although I think the lethargy may be starting to come in. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

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