the flu shot!

tomas101 · 11-30-2003, 11:11 PM

is it ok to get a flu shot while on a ph cycle...or is it better to wait until after a cycle, or before a cycle???i need a flu shot b/c i dont want to get sick this yr...anyone know anything on this matter?

Iron Assassin · 11-30-2003, 11:40 PM

Getting the flu shot will not prevent you from getting the flu. The flu shot is designed to combat a select few strains. In many cases the flu shot actully gives flu like symptoms, and possible side effects that are much more dangerous then letting your imune system do as it was designed.

Jay

**Prince** · 11-30-2003, 11:42 PM

I passed on the flu shot this year after hearing that they did not predict the correct strings this year, and the shot is only around 30-50% effective.

Rocco32 · 12-01-2003, 07:50 AM

The flu shot is bogus! The flu strand mutates every year and often, in the middle of the year. The flu shot is put together based on information the CDC has on the previous years flu strand, not the current year. It is marketing hype for Drug reps. You don't need to get it.

**I Are Baboon** · 12-01-2003, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
I passed on the flu shot this year after hearing that they did not predict the correct strings this year, and the shot is only around 30-50% effective.

But that is still 30%-50% more effective than NOT getting a shot. As far as the string goes, I hear there are a couple different ones going around.

I'll gladly take the free flu shot from work if there is a chance of it keeping me from getting sick.

Why not get a shot? Most people in this forum stuff themselves with all sorts of different sports supplements, so you should be used to taking chemicals.

tomas101 · 12-01-2003, 10:05 AM

ya its not like i am paying for it...and u guys didnt even answer the main question...lol...i know when u are on a cycle your immune system also drops....i have taken the shot in tha past and it has helped alot...i just dont know if i should wait or just go take it etc...

**I Are Baboon** · 12-01-2003, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tomas101
and u guys didnt even answer the main question

Sorry...I can't help you because I have never gone on a PH cycle and know little about them.

Iron Assassin · 12-01-2003, 10:34 AM

Studies have shown that with the mutation of strains, it is very unlikely that a given flu shot even have an opportunity to work against a given strain.

Studies have shown that the shot is only 35% effective at preventing an occurance when the flu encountered is a match for the shot given.

The shot is %100 ineffective without a perfect match.

The Associated Press found in a study that only %30 of doctors and nurses polled received the flu vaccine. The lowest population group, and yet the most informed.

To make the vaccine, many toxins are used such as formaldehyde, and mercury deriviatives. Many adverse reactions have occured after the vaccine was given.

Now to the point: If you are taking a substance that depresses your immune system, it seems unwise to take a live virus into your system. The nature of the shot dictates minor symptoms in a healthy individual. If your body is not able to mount a normal defense, it seems more likely that you will get serious flu symptoms.

Do what you like, but I would suggest you do research, and don't just swallow what the medical field says as fact. Rock was right, the drug companies wield alot of power today, and your health is not the number one priority.

I wish you luck

Jay

tomas101 · 12-01-2003, 11:54 AM

thanks alot..this is what i was looking for plus i just read somewhere else saying that its pretty much a waste to use

BabsieGirl · 12-01-2003, 12:36 PM

I got the flu shot this year and let me tell ya......I'M SICK. Not nearly as bad as the people I know. My hubby has the flu, Brianna has strep and bron...Kiley has Ear infection and bron.... and I've managed to keep the sniffles. I have a virus which makes me tired and EXTREME head and neck pain. I'm on some pretty good drugs though. whew...thank goodness...Maybe the flu shot is helping me stay sane..........

DaMayor · 12-01-2003, 12:41 PM

I think we're all going to die of the common cold.

DaMayor · 12-01-2003, 12:48 PM

No, really, think about it. Until recently (at least locally) doctors have written prescriptions for antibiotics for every minor ailment and/or infection, folks have received the flu vaccine for years, regrdless of whether or not it could combat the current strain mutations out there, we take medications to desensitize our allergic reactions to every form of pollen, dust, spores, etc.

Pretty soon we'll have no immune system(s) left!

BabsieGirl · 12-01-2003, 12:51 PM

that or drug over dose since the doctors write prescriptions like there is no tomorrow. Our bodies will be immune to them eventually. Most doctors are starting NOT to hand out prescriptions, rather forcing our bodies to fight off bacterial virus's naturally so we don't get mune to drugs....

DaMayor · 12-01-2003, 01:09 PM

Exactly.

I don't take JACK unless I'm dying. No Sir, just Prune Juice and Geritol for DaMayor.

BabsieGirl · 12-01-2003, 01:12 PM

I'm on pain meds for my head and neck pain. Doctor thinks I suffer from Tension head aches. LOOKS LIKE I GET AN EXCUSE TO VISIT A MASSAGE THERAP....WOOHOOO......a little lower sir.....no no.....lil'l lower.....k....to the left....whoa.....right there....

Just kidding.

**I Are Baboon** · 12-01-2003, 01:15 PM

I don't think a flu shot once a year is going to build an immunity to it, especially since the vaccine changes from year to year, based on the projected strand.

oaktownboy · 12-01-2003, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DaMayor
Exactly.

I don't take JACK unless I'm dying. No Sir, just Prune Juice and Geritol for DaMayor.

that must taste mighty good compared to the ease of getting a shot

BabsieGirl · 12-01-2003, 01:19 PM

I see what you're saying however the last to replies were about general meds.

I agree with your reply.

**I Are Baboon** · 12-01-2003, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BabsieGirl
I see what you're saying however the last to replies were about general meds.

Oh. Right....agree in that I don't take any presciption medication, unless it's to relieve pain. I don't deal well with pain, especially if a "happy pill" can make the pain subside.

11-30-2003, 11:11 PM	#1
tomas101 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 602	the flu shot! is it ok to get a flu shot while on a ph cycle...or is it better to wait until after a cycle, or before a cycle???i need a flu shot b/c i dont want to get sick this yr...anyone know anything on this matter?

11-30-2003, 11:42 PM	#3
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12-01-2003, 07:50 AM	#4
Rocco32 UNLEASH THE BEAST Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 22,329 Photos: 18	The flu shot is bogus! The flu strand mutates every year and often, in the middle of the year. The flu shot is put together based on information the CDC has on the previous years flu strand, not the current year. It is marketing hype for Drug reps. You don't need to get it. I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain...

12-01-2003, 12:36 PM	#10
BabsieGirl Fighting Endometriosis Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,495	I got the flu shot this year and let me tell ya......I'M SICK. Not nearly as bad as the people I know. My hubby has the flu, Brianna has strep and bron...Kiley has Ear infection and bron.... and I've managed to keep the sniffles. I have a virus which makes me tired and EXTREME head and neck pain. I'm on some pretty good drugs though. whew...thank goodness...Maybe the flu shot is helping me stay sane.......... Don't hate the player, hate the game!http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/...the%20wave.GIF Before you talk about what you want - appreciate what you have. http://home.earthlink.net/~gwcaton/s...ctures/tmf.jpg A good marriage would be between a blind wife and a deaf husband. -Honore de Balzac Desire+Consistency='s RESULTS

12-01-2003, 12:51 PM	#13
BabsieGirl Fighting Endometriosis Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,495	that or drug over dose since the doctors write prescriptions like there is no tomorrow. Our bodies will be immune to them eventually. Most doctors are starting NOT to hand out prescriptions, rather forcing our bodies to fight off bacterial virus's naturally so we don't get mune to drugs.... Don't hate the player, hate the game!http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/...the%20wave.GIF Before you talk about what you want - appreciate what you have. http://home.earthlink.net/~gwcaton/s...ctures/tmf.jpg A good marriage would be between a blind wife and a deaf husband. -Honore de Balzac Desire+Consistency='s RESULTS

11-30-2003, 11:40 PM	#2
Iron Assassin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 9	Getting the flu shot will not prevent you from getting the flu. The flu shot is designed to combat a select few strains. In many cases the flu shot actully gives flu like symptoms, and possible side effects that are much more dangerous then letting your imune system do as it was designed. Jay

12-01-2003, 10:05 AM	#6
tomas101 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 602	ya its not like i am paying for it...and u guys didnt even answer the main question...lol...i know when u are on a cycle your immune system also drops....i have taken the shot in tha past and it has helped alot...i just dont know if i should wait or just go take it etc...

12-01-2003, 10:34 AM	#8
Iron Assassin Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 9	Studies have shown that with the mutation of strains, it is very unlikely that a given flu shot even have an opportunity to work against a given strain. Studies have shown that the shot is only 35% effective at preventing an occurance when the flu encountered is a match for the shot given. The shot is %100 ineffective without a perfect match. The Associated Press found in a study that only %30 of doctors and nurses polled received the flu vaccine. The lowest population group, and yet the most informed. To make the vaccine, many toxins are used such as formaldehyde, and mercury deriviatives. Many adverse reactions have occured after the vaccine was given. Now to the point: If you are taking a substance that depresses your immune system, it seems unwise to take a live virus into your system. The nature of the shot dictates minor symptoms in a healthy individual. If your body is not able to mount a normal defense, it seems more likely that you will get serious flu symptoms. Do what you like, but I would suggest you do research, and don't just swallow what the medical field says as fact. Rock was right, the drug companies wield alot of power today, and your health is not the number one priority. I wish you luck Jay

12-01-2003, 11:54 AM	#9
tomas101 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 602	thanks alot..this is what i was looking for plus i just read somewhere else saying that its pretty much a waste to use

12-01-2003, 12:41 PM	#11
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	I think we're all going to die of the common cold.

12-01-2003, 12:48 PM	#12
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	No, really, think about it. Until recently (at least locally) doctors have written prescriptions for antibiotics for every minor ailment and/or infection, folks have received the flu vaccine for years, regrdless of whether or not it could combat the current strain mutations out there, we take medications to desensitize our allergic reactions to every form of pollen, dust, spores, etc. Pretty soon we'll have no immune system(s) left!

12-01-2003, 01:09 PM	#14
DaMayor On a Perpetual Bulk Elite Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Posts: 6,145	Exactly. I don't take JACK unless I'm dying. No Sir, just Prune Juice and Geritol for DaMayor.

12-01-2003, 01:12 PM	#15
BabsieGirl Fighting Endometriosis Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,495	I'm on pain meds for my head and neck pain. Doctor thinks I suffer from Tension head aches. LOOKS LIKE I GET AN EXCUSE TO VISIT A MASSAGE THERAP....WOOHOOO......a little lower sir.....no no.....lil'l lower.....k....to the left....whoa.....right there.... Just kidding. Don't hate the player, hate the game!http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/...the%20wave.GIF Before you talk about what you want - appreciate what you have. http://home.earthlink.net/~gwcaton/s...ctures/tmf.jpg A good marriage would be between a blind wife and a deaf husband. -Honore de Balzac Desire+Consistency='s RESULTS

12-01-2003, 01:15 PM	#16
I Are Baboon pedal pedal pedal Moderator Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Beerville Posts: 11,941 Photos: 4	I don't think a flu shot once a year is going to build an immunity to it, especially since the vaccine changes from year to year, based on the projected strand.

12-01-2003, 01:19 PM	#18
BabsieGirl Fighting Endometriosis Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 7,495	I see what you're saying however the last to replies were about general meds. I agree with your reply. Don't hate the player, hate the game!http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/...the%20wave.GIF Before you talk about what you want - appreciate what you have. http://home.earthlink.net/~gwcaton/s...ctures/tmf.jpg A good marriage would be between a blind wife and a deaf husband. -Honore de Balzac Desire+Consistency='s RESULTS

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