first cycle questions 1-T 4-AD

Power Rabbit · 12-03-2003, 12:40 PM

Howdy all. I have been training fairly intensely for 2 and a half years straight. I take creatine, protien, vitamins(multi, and ZMA), glutamine and eat a solid(though very boring) diet. Since the first month I started lifting hardcore I wanted to try a stack of phoromones. The only reason I havent is because I promised myself Id wait till I was 21 and I good bit of lifting under my belt.

Well my birthday is in Febuary, and I will finally turn 21 with almost 3 years of training under my belt. I really wanna do my first cycle right. Ive read this forum religiously, and reaserched for the last couple of months and I have a fairly good idea of the stack I wanna try. 300mg 1-T orally a day, 600mg 4-AD orally a day, and some hardener for four weeks. Three weeks off takeing some estrogen blocker and maby swole v2 to keep my gains.

This brings me to what I wanna ask. What companies do you guys like for these. I like Higher Power as a company and I think I am going to use their 1-Test Ether, 4 Androstenediol 300. Does anyone know anything they think is alot better? I hear alot of good stuff about syngex 1 and 2. Ive also heard good stuff about anabol-x and megabol-x by higher power.

Im real unsure what hardener I want. Maby VPX's Liposomal EQ. Havent seen too much about it. Anyone used it and like it?

And does anyone think transdermal really rocks oral? I see from alot of posts that prince and a few others prefer transdermal, but no one is real definate about it.

Finally Im decideing between VPX's Aromadex and Ergopharm's, 6-oxo for my estrogen blocker. Any thoughts on wich one is better. I hear Aromadex tastes like crap, but I aint worried about taste if it works. Would there be any benefit to takeing something stronger, like clomid or Nolvadex?

I know its a good bit before Febuary, but I wanna buy the stack early to be ready. Plus maby I can get the mom to get me some for christmas(very poor college student who blows all is cash on women).

Thank god I finished typein that. Thats more than Ive typed in awhile. :-P

Rocco32 · 12-03-2003, 02:34 PM

Welcome Power Rabbit. Personally I've tried 1-ad by ergopharm and had good results. 6-oxo is good for post cycle. Right now I'm taking S1+ by dermabolics, but not very happy with it. DG is on Sauce by syntrax and having very good results.

BTW, where in VA are you?

Power Rabbit · 12-03-2003, 05:00 PM

Only the center of the universe, Ashland VA. I love my town.:-)

Rocco32 · 12-03-2003, 07:39 PM

Is that close to Arlington, the REAL center of the universe? J/K, I hate my town!

Power Rabbit · 12-03-2003, 11:04 PM

Its close to Richmond. Pretty country. Lots of fields. :-)

**Prince** · 12-03-2003, 11:45 PM

I would recommend that you go higher on the 1-AD, 600mgs per day, and my recommendation for a company would be Ergopharm.

Power Rabbit · 12-04-2003, 01:22 AM

Cool. Thanks for the suggestion. But u mean 1-Test, not 1-AD right?

Rocco32 · 12-04-2003, 04:15 AM

No, he means 1-ad from ergopharm. Great product!

JerseyDevil · 12-04-2003, 05:12 AM

I third the 1-AD, especially for a first cycle. I had great results starting with 300 mg the 1st week, 400 mg the 2nd, 500 mg third and 600 mg the last week. 6-OXO for 3-4 weeks would be my post cycle choice.

I grew up in Virginia. Like Rock in Northern VA, but not when it was crazy like now. I have since lived in Ohio and New Jersey, and Virginia is still my favorite state. If I ever moved back to VA however, it would be much farther south!

maze · 12-04-2003, 12:17 PM

I have to disagree with the 1-AD recommendations.

1-Testosterone producs specially the new ECMM process would be better for you, because at 21 the production is still high and the liver could be satressed with the extra work from 1-AD converting into 1-TEST. Estrogen production is also a concern in the 18-25 age range.

2 Products that I have recommended and used with good results are Testabolin from BSN and the HighPower 1-TEST from Bodybuilding.com.

...check them out.

I have used 6-OXO for post cycle and maintained my gains.

Power Rabbit · 12-04-2003, 09:19 PM

Cool thanks maze. You guys all gave me stuff to think about.

Rocco32 · 12-04-2003, 10:05 PM

Let us know what you go with and how it goes!

12-03-2003, 12:40 PM	#1
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	first cycle questions 1-T 4-AD Howdy all. I have been training fairly intensely for 2 and a half years straight. I take creatine, protien, vitamins(multi, and ZMA), glutamine and eat a solid(though very boring) diet. Since the first month I started lifting hardcore I wanted to try a stack of phoromones. The only reason I havent is because I promised myself Id wait till I was 21 and I good bit of lifting under my belt. Well my birthday is in Febuary, and I will finally turn 21 with almost 3 years of training under my belt. I really wanna do my first cycle right. Ive read this forum religiously, and reaserched for the last couple of months and I have a fairly good idea of the stack I wanna try. 300mg 1-T orally a day, 600mg 4-AD orally a day, and some hardener for four weeks. Three weeks off takeing some estrogen blocker and maby swole v2 to keep my gains. This brings me to what I wanna ask. What companies do you guys like for these. I like Higher Power as a company and I think I am going to use their 1-Test Ether, 4 Androstenediol 300. Does anyone know anything they think is alot better? I hear alot of good stuff about syngex 1 and 2. Ive also heard good stuff about anabol-x and megabol-x by higher power. Im real unsure what hardener I want. Maby VPX's Liposomal EQ. Havent seen too much about it. Anyone used it and like it? And does anyone think transdermal really rocks oral? I see from alot of posts that prince and a few others prefer transdermal, but no one is real definate about it. Finally Im decideing between VPX's Aromadex and Ergopharm's, 6-oxo for my estrogen blocker. Any thoughts on wich one is better. I hear Aromadex tastes like crap, but I aint worried about taste if it works. Would there be any benefit to takeing something stronger, like clomid or Nolvadex? I know its a good bit before Febuary, but I wanna buy the stack early to be ready. Plus maby I can get the mom to get me some for christmas(very poor college student who blows all is cash on women). Thank god I finished typein that. Thats more than Ive typed in awhile. :-P

12-03-2003, 02:34 PM	#2
Rocco32 UNLEASH THE BEAST Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 22,324 Photos: 18	Welcome Power Rabbit. Personally I've tried 1-ad by ergopharm and had good results. 6-oxo is good for post cycle. Right now I'm taking S1+ by dermabolics, but not very happy with it. DG is on Sauce by syntrax and having very good results. BTW, where in VA are you? I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain...

12-03-2003, 07:39 PM	#4
Rocco32 UNLEASH THE BEAST Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 22,324 Photos: 18	Is that close to Arlington, the REAL center of the universe? J/K, I hate my town! I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain...

12-03-2003, 11:45 PM	#6
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,274 Photos: 356	I would recommend that you go higher on the 1-AD, 600mgs per day, and my recommendation for a company would be Ergopharm. IronMagLabs 1-ANDRO Rx Pro-Hormone - BUY 2 GET 1 FREE SPECIAL! BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding, Fitness & Training Blog. Maximizer.com - Maximizer Strength for Maximum Performance Befriend on Myspace Follow on Twitter

12-04-2003, 04:15 AM	#8
Rocco32 UNLEASH THE BEAST Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 22,324 Photos: 18	No, he means 1-ad from ergopharm. Great product! I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain...

12-03-2003, 05:00 PM	#3
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	Only the center of the universe, Ashland VA. I love my town.:-)

12-03-2003, 11:04 PM	#5
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	Its close to Richmond. Pretty country. Lots of fields. :-)

12-04-2003, 01:22 AM	#7
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	Cool. Thanks for the suggestion. But u mean 1-Test, not 1-AD right?

12-04-2003, 05:12 AM	#9
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,565	I third the 1-AD, especially for a first cycle. I had great results starting with 300 mg the 1st week, 400 mg the 2nd, 500 mg third and 600 mg the last week. 6-OXO for 3-4 weeks would be my post cycle choice. I grew up in Virginia. Like Rock in Northern VA, but not when it was crazy like now. I have since lived in Ohio and New Jersey, and Virginia is still my favorite state. If I ever moved back to VA however, it would be much farther south!

12-04-2003, 12:17 PM	#10
maze Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 372	I have to disagree with the 1-AD recommendations. 1-Testosterone producs specially the new ECMM process would be better for you, because at 21 the production is still high and the liver could be satressed with the extra work from 1-AD converting into 1-TEST. Estrogen production is also a concern in the 18-25 age range. 2 Products that I have recommended and used with good results are Testabolin from BSN and the HighPower 1-TEST from Bodybuilding.com. ...check them out. I have used 6-OXO for post cycle and maintained my gains.

12-04-2003, 09:19 PM	#11
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	Cool thanks maze. You guys all gave me stuff to think about.

12-04-2003, 10:05 PM	#12
Rocco32 UNLEASH THE BEAST Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 22,324 Photos: 18	Let us know what you go with and how it goes! I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain...

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