steroids

ac · 09-19-2001, 04:36 PM

Hi guys,
i'm seriously thinkin about starting a course of steroids, i can get a six week course for £120 (i think thats about $200). I was hoping that someone could give me some advice about what to do when i'm on them. Do you have to up your protein intake while taking steroids? Also, do they help your recovery? I usually train three times a week so will being on the steroids mean that i can train 4 or 5 times a week. It usually takes me about a week for a bodypart to recover.
Thanks
AC

**Prince** · 09-19-2001, 04:50 PM

Yes, I would keep protein intake a bit higher, and yes they will decrease recovery time between work-outs.

What kind of steroids are you going to take?

ac · 09-19-2001, 05:08 PM

I'm not sure yet what type i'm going to take. I have talked to a few guys in my gym and they will put me in touch with people who sell them. I don't know much about them but they will definately be oral. Why did you write "no, don't" at the top of your reply?
Thanks
AC

**Prince** · 09-19-2001, 05:11 PM

Do not take orals! If you're going to do it, use injectables.

I put that at the top because I do not believe in taking them.

ac · 09-19-2001, 05:22 PM

I'm just at a stage where i don't seem to be making any progress. Whenever i try to really push myself i end up with a cold or a sore throat and not being able to train for a couple of weeks, then i find that alot of the work that i have put in over the previous weeks(months) ends up for nothing. I've just recovered from another sore throat and two weeks off from training so i'm on a bit of a downer just now. My doctor says that i'm just one of those people who picks up sore throats easily. I just think that a six week course of steroids would help me get through this plateu and help me make a real difference to my training.

Large And In Charge · 09-19-2001, 06:21 PM

ac

It sounds like you are very frustrated and I can't blame you. A person seems like they work so hard and so long to get some decent muscle on them and then something happens and they're back to almost square 1! Believe me I've been there many times but steroids aren't the answer bro. If I feel like I'm getting a cold or something, one thing that really helps me is when I boost my vit C. intake and my liquids.

I've been doing this for over 16 years and if you wish I will be happy to help you out in anyway I can. Never taken steroids or any supplements. I don't want to really say anything bad about roids because there probably are some members that will jump all over me lol but basically steroids are a bad deal and trust me, you don't need them!

Maki Riddington · 09-19-2001, 06:33 PM

For those of you who haven't used them how can you say they are bad?
It's likened to someone who says weightlifting or certain exercises are detrimental even though they've never tried performing or working out.

As far as taking them I would suggest that you skip them. It seems to me that you have no clue whatsoever on how to take them. If you had your diet and training in order then I could see where your coming from but from the sound of things you don't.

Large And In Charge · 09-19-2001, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maki Riddington
For those of you who haven't used them how can you say they are bad?

No offence Maki but I know people who have used them and I've done more than enough research on them to know.

**Prince** · 09-19-2001, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Maki Riddington
For those of you who haven't used them how can you say they are bad?

Who said that they've never used them?

Maki Riddington · 09-19-2001, 10:23 PM

Research eh.
Enlighten me please.
As for knowing people who use them I myself have a number of friends who dabble and have gotten the sides but that doesn't mean they're using them correctly.

As for assuming I did so because I'm pretty sure most who post negatively about this topic haven't dabbled.

Steroids is something someone needs to experience before passing a judgement on them.

**Prince** · 09-19-2001, 10:28 PM

I do not want to talk about my youth!

I'll just put it this way, I was a teen in the late 80's. That was before steroids were a Class III drug.

ac · 09-20-2001, 06:23 AM

large and in charge, thanks for the reply, i think that i'll leave the steroids for the time being. I think i'm just on a bit of a downer just now. Maki what makes you think that i don't have my diet and training in order. I have been training now for about three years and have done alot of research over the past year and a half about nutrition. I know this dosen't make me an expert but i definately know a fair bit about nutrition.

seyone · 09-20-2001, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ac
Maki what makes you think that i don't have my diet and training in order. .

you asked if you need to up your protein on steroids I think that it shows you haven't done your homework. I won't tell you not to use them and I won't jump on the "steroids are bad" bandwagon but do your homework. make sure you take the right drugs because you are well informed and not because a dealer at your gym told you its good.

ac · 09-20-2001, 10:34 AM

you'r right, i haven't done my homework on steroids thats why i posted this topic to ask for advice on them. I would definatley research them a bit more before i took them.

**MtnBikerChk** · 09-20-2001, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ac
large and in charge, thanks for the reply, i think that i'll leave the steroids for the time being.

YES!

Scotty the Body · 09-20-2001, 11:17 AM

I won't pretend I know alot about AS, if your going to take them, do plenty of resurch.
From what I understand, there are other things you need to be taking while on them to reduce things like "bitch tits" and other symtoms that go along with AS.

So in short, do plenty of resurch and make sure you trust the person your buying the stuff from so you can minimise many of the risks that go along with AS.

Sun · 09-20-2001, 12:09 PM

Not all orals have a high toxicity to the liver. Even the injectables are toxic to a point, not quite as severe. Anavar (Ox) is a prime example of a low toxic oral.

I have to agree with these bros when they say you haven't done all of your homework. It's common knowledge that protein synthesis goes through the roof when you are on anabolic steroids. When on a cycle, you may want to invest in Arimidex or Nolvadex, depending on what you are taking. Clomid for post cycle therapy. As far as detox for the liver, ALA, Milk Thistle, and Tyler (?) detox kit are all worth the investment. Milk Thistle being the cheapest.

It's just a plateau. We all hit them. Most of us anyway. Just keep driving bro. Once you break free you'll love the sense of accomplishment that comes with it.

Wise move on your part to hold back for awhile. Read, learn as much as you can... so you'll be ready when the time does come.

TheSupremeBeing · 09-20-2001, 04:08 PM

Sun knows his gear, that's for sure

Sun · 09-20-2001, 07:19 PM

Yes, I almost hit it prematurely... And I did much homework. Heh.

Hattrick · 09-21-2001, 08:54 AM

Good post Sun. You do know your stuff
Just in case you are wondering why he is suggesting drugs like novaldex or arimidex, that is to fight against the dreaded "bitch tits". Helps to keep testosterone from aromatizing into estrogen.
milk thistle cranberry juice ect helps to clean out the liver, and clomid helps to get the "boys" producing testosterone again so you don't lose much of your newly gained muscle. Your body stops producing its own testosterone during the course (assuming you are using a testosterone based drug like sust 250 etc for bulking.)

ac · 09-22-2001, 08:18 AM

thanks for the replys,
I'm sill not sure what i'm going to do. I think i might just start back on the creatine for a while.
Where do you buy clomid from? I don't know whether it's just my imagination or not but a while ago i tried taking gabba:

http://www.chemicalnutrition.com/Pro...ct_range_3.htm

since taking it i reckon my "boys" haven't been producing as much testosterone as they did previously. If you follow the link above it says that gabba re-alines the testicular axis whatever that means. Do you think that clomic should be used after gaba?
thanks
AC

Sun · 09-22-2001, 02:14 PM

Gaba increases testosterone output. LOL.

You buy Clomid from the same place you buy your gear. If your source doesn't sell it, I suggest finding a new one!

ac · 09-22-2001, 04:35 PM

What does LOL mean?

Sun · 09-22-2001, 07:16 PM

Laughing out loud.

ac · 09-22-2001, 08:09 PM

I don't get it. Why are you laughing out loud...is gabba rubbish or something?

Sun · 09-22-2001, 08:27 PM

"since taking it i reckon my "boys" haven't been producing as much testosterone as they did previously"

Sounded like you were saying it reduced testosterone output.

crowman · 09-26-2001, 04:19 PM

It is not whether a steroid is an oral or an injectable that makes it more or less harmful. Steroids can be divided into two categories:7-alpha-alkylated steroids and non-alpha-alkylated steroids.

7-alpha-alkylated steroids are those that have been designed to not break down as quickly, so they remain in your body longer, and do enormous amounts of damage, not just damaging but actually killing liver cells in lab studies. Dianabol and Oxymethelone are just two example of these.

Non-alkylated steroids are more like your bodies natural chemicals and are far better for you, less side effects, less organ damage. These include steroids like Nandrolone decanoate (Deca durabolin) and Primobolan.

I would only recommend taking non-alkylated steroids if any at all. Be sure to buy some Clomid, milk thistle, saw palmetto, ALA and DOUBLE your protein intake.

Maki Riddington · 09-26-2001, 10:35 PM

Are you talking from experience Crowman?

Herc · 09-27-2001, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ac
I'm just at a stage where i don't seem to be making any progress. Whenever i try to really push myself i end up with a cold or a sore throat and not being able to train for a couple of weeks, then i find that alot of the work that i have put in over the previous weeks(months) ends up for nothing.

I've experienced this too, and it can be EXTREEMLY frustrating. Here's how I finally beat it.
1)Start a consistant vitamin program
include a good multi, and a mega vitamin C (I use GNC mega men and the 2000mg C timed release)
2)Drink water constantly. Your immune system's best defense after picking up a germ is to flush it out of your system which takes lots of water.
3) Wash your hands alot. This sounds stupid but remember the only entrances into your body that most common cold germs can use are mouth, nose, and tear ducts. Since these same germs can exist out of the body on surfaces for up to 72 hours you're sharing germs with everyone who has touched a surface for the last 3 days. When you wipe your eyes or lick ketchup off your fingers you are giving these germs a free ride into your body.
4)Glutamine. Some people think this supplement is a joke, however regardless of it's muscle building claims It is a proven fact that it is the main source of energy for the immune system. I take 7-10 grams a day spaced in 4 doses.
5) Eat healthy. Always a good idea.
6) Remember your body can only take so much stress (mental and physical) Get to know when you are in the "red zone" and if training is going to push you over the edge take a break that day an hit it hard the next day.

hope this helps

Shmoo · 09-27-2001, 03:24 PM

Good advice Herc.

09-19-2001, 04:36 PM	#1
ac Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: scotland Posts: 154	steroids Hi guys, i'm seriously thinkin about starting a course of steroids, i can get a six week course for £120 (i think thats about $200). I was hoping that someone could give me some advice about what to do when i'm on them. Do you have to up your protein intake while taking steroids? Also, do they help your recovery? I usually train three times a week so will being on the steroids mean that i can train 4 or 5 times a week. It usually takes me about a week for a bodypart to recover. Thanks AC

09-19-2001, 04:50 PM	#2
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,520 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 313	No, Don't! Yes, I would keep protein intake a bit higher, and yes they will decrease recovery time between work-outs. What kind of steroids are you going to take?
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09-19-2001, 05:11 PM	#4
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,520 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 313	Do not take orals! If you're going to do it, use injectables. I put that at the top because I do not believe in taking them.
	SBMuscle.com - Discount Supplement Superstore AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders CEM Products - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclePharm - Complete Nutritional Arsenal BigBackGrips - If you lift weights you've got to try these grips!

09-19-2001, 10:28 PM	#11
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 33,520 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 313	I do not want to talk about my youth! I'll just put it this way, I was a teen in the late 80's. That was before steroids were a Class III drug.
	SBMuscle.com - Discount Supplement Superstore AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders CEM Products - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclePharm - Complete Nutritional Arsenal BigBackGrips - If you lift weights you've got to try these grips!

09-20-2001, 11:17 AM	#16
Scotty the Body I'm Dead Sexxxxy!! Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 4,970	I won't pretend I know alot about AS, if your going to take them, do plenty of resurch. From what I understand, there are other things you need to be taking while on them to reduce things like "bitch tits" and other symtoms that go along with AS. So in short, do plenty of resurch and make sure you trust the person your buying the stuff from so you can minimise many of the risks that go along with AS.
	Cool

09-19-2001, 05:08 PM	#3
ac Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: scotland Posts: 154	I'm not sure yet what type i'm going to take. I have talked to a few guys in my gym and they will put me in touch with people who sell them. I don't know much about them but they will definately be oral. Why did you write "no, don't" at the top of your reply? Thanks AC

09-19-2001, 05:22 PM	#5
ac Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: scotland Posts: 154	I'm just at a stage where i don't seem to be making any progress. Whenever i try to really push myself i end up with a cold or a sore throat and not being able to train for a couple of weeks, then i find that alot of the work that i have put in over the previous weeks(months) ends up for nothing. I've just recovered from another sore throat and two weeks off from training so i'm on a bit of a downer just now. My doctor says that i'm just one of those people who picks up sore throats easily. I just think that a six week course of steroids would help me get through this plateu and help me make a real difference to my training.

09-19-2001, 06:21 PM	#6
Large And In Charge Member Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 355	ac It sounds like you are very frustrated and I can't blame you. A person seems like they work so hard and so long to get some decent muscle on them and then something happens and they're back to almost square 1! Believe me I've been there many times but steroids aren't the answer bro. If I feel like I'm getting a cold or something, one thing that really helps me is when I boost my vit C. intake and my liquids. I've been doing this for over 16 years and if you wish I will be happy to help you out in anyway I can. Never taken steroids or any supplements. I don't want to really say anything bad about roids because there probably are some members that will jump all over me lol but basically steroids are a bad deal and trust me, you don't need them!

09-19-2001, 06:33 PM	#7
Maki Riddington Fat Bastard Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 383	For those of you who haven't used them how can you say they are bad? It's likened to someone who says weightlifting or certain exercises are detrimental even though they've never tried performing or working out. As far as taking them I would suggest that you skip them. It seems to me that you have no clue whatsoever on how to take them. If you had your diet and training in order then I could see where your coming from but from the sound of things you don't.

09-19-2001, 10:23 PM	#10
Maki Riddington Fat Bastard Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 383	Research eh. Enlighten me please. As for knowing people who use them I myself have a number of friends who dabble and have gotten the sides but that doesn't mean they're using them correctly. As for assuming I did so because I'm pretty sure most who post negatively about this topic haven't dabbled. Steroids is something someone needs to experience before passing a judgement on them.

09-20-2001, 06:23 AM	#12
ac Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: scotland Posts: 154	large and in charge, thanks for the reply, i think that i'll leave the steroids for the time being. I think i'm just on a bit of a downer just now. Maki what makes you think that i don't have my diet and training in order. I have been training now for about three years and have done alot of research over the past year and a half about nutrition. I know this dosen't make me an expert but i definately know a fair bit about nutrition.

09-20-2001, 10:34 AM	#14
ac Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: scotland Posts: 154	you'r right, i haven't done my homework on steroids thats why i posted this topic to ask for advice on them. I would definatley research them a bit more before i took them.

09-20-2001, 12:09 PM	#17
Sun Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 11	Not all orals have a high toxicity to the liver. Even the injectables are toxic to a point, not quite as severe. Anavar (Ox) is a prime example of a low toxic oral. I have to agree with these bros when they say you haven't done all of your homework. It's common knowledge that protein synthesis goes through the roof when you are on anabolic steroids. When on a cycle, you may want to invest in Arimidex or Nolvadex, depending on what you are taking. Clomid for post cycle therapy. As far as detox for the liver, ALA, Milk Thistle, and Tyler (?) detox kit are all worth the investment. Milk Thistle being the cheapest. It's just a plateau. We all hit them. Most of us anyway. Just keep driving bro. Once you break free you'll love the sense of accomplishment that comes with it. Wise move on your part to hold back for awhile. Read, learn as much as you can... so you'll be ready when the time does come.

09-20-2001, 04:08 PM	#18
TheSupremeBeing Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Chillin' in mah cribb, yo. Posts: 598	Sun knows his gear, that's for sure

09-20-2001, 07:19 PM	#19
Sun Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 11	Yes, I almost hit it prematurely... And I did much homework. Heh.

09-21-2001, 08:54 AM	#20
Hattrick A little bigger every day Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 53	Good post Sun. You do know your stuff Just in case you are wondering why he is suggesting drugs like novaldex or arimidex, that is to fight against the dreaded "bitch tits". Helps to keep testosterone from aromatizing into estrogen. milk thistle cranberry juice ect helps to clean out the liver, and clomid helps to get the "boys" producing testosterone again so you don't lose much of your newly gained muscle. Your body stops producing its own testosterone during the course (assuming you are using a testosterone based drug like sust 250 etc for bulking.)

09-22-2001, 08:18 AM	#21
ac Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: scotland Posts: 154	thanks for the replys, I'm sill not sure what i'm going to do. I think i might just start back on the creatine for a while. Where do you buy clomid from? I don't know whether it's just my imagination or not but a while ago i tried taking gabba: http://www.chemicalnutrition.com/Pro...ct_range_3.htm since taking it i reckon my "boys" haven't been producing as much testosterone as they did previously. If you follow the link above it says that gabba re-alines the testicular axis whatever that means. Do you think that clomic should be used after gaba? thanks AC

09-22-2001, 02:14 PM	#22
Sun Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 11	Gaba increases testosterone output. LOL. You buy Clomid from the same place you buy your gear. If your source doesn't sell it, I suggest finding a new one!

09-22-2001, 04:35 PM	#23
ac Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: scotland Posts: 154	What does LOL mean?

09-22-2001, 07:16 PM	#24
Sun Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 11	Laughing out loud.

09-22-2001, 08:09 PM	#25
ac Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: scotland Posts: 154	I don't get it. Why are you laughing out loud...is gabba rubbish or something?

09-22-2001, 08:27 PM	#26
Sun Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 11	"since taking it i reckon my "boys" haven't been producing as much testosterone as they did previously" Sounded like you were saying it reduced testosterone output.

09-26-2001, 04:19 PM	#27
crowman Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: PA Posts: 211	It is not whether a steroid is an oral or an injectable that makes it more or less harmful. Steroids can be divided into two categories:7-alpha-alkylated steroids and non-alpha-alkylated steroids. 7-alpha-alkylated steroids are those that have been designed to not break down as quickly, so they remain in your body longer, and do enormous amounts of damage, not just damaging but actually killing liver cells in lab studies. Dianabol and Oxymethelone are just two example of these. Non-alkylated steroids are more like your bodies natural chemicals and are far better for you, less side effects, less organ damage. These include steroids like Nandrolone decanoate (Deca durabolin) and Primobolan. I would only recommend taking non-alkylated steroids if any at all. Be sure to buy some Clomid, milk thistle, saw palmetto, ALA and DOUBLE your protein intake.
	-Crowman MASS ABOVE ALL

09-26-2001, 10:35 PM	#28
Maki Riddington Fat Bastard Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 383	Are you talking from experience Crowman?

09-27-2001, 03:24 PM	#30
Shmoo Meathead Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 588	Good advice Herc.