Trying to get a handle on supps to take

**ajustana** · 12-16-2003, 06:56 AM

Helllo board... I finally feel like I've got a good diet and workout plan in place, but I've found that I'm completely lost when it comes to supplements to take. Can you please look over my below diet/workout plan and suggest what might be best for me? I'd really like recommendations on specific supps and the brands you like best. Also, when/how to take them. Thanks in advance.

My stats: I'm 5'10", 175lb, 18%bf, 26 years old. I'm looking to get my body fat down to 10-12% and then just continue to add lean muscle. I'm getting married in 6 months too...provides some motivation.

Workout: Gopro's plan, which seems to be very popular. It's a 4-day split that I think will work well.

Diet: I am thinking about doing a 50/30/20 (p/c/f) plan. I'm eating something similar to the following...

7am- 1/2 cup oatmeal with a packet of sweet-n-low, 5oz extra lean turkey, 2 tablespoons reduced fat mayo (2g fat per tbls)

10am- double optimum protein shake, 1 1/2 tablespoon natural pb.

12:30pm- 5oz chicken breast, 3/4 cup brown rice, 1 cup green veggies

3pm- detour protein bar
WORKOUT @ 5pm
6pm- 5oz chicken breast, 3/4 cup brown rice, 1 cup green veggies

9pm- optimum protein shake, 1 cup fat free cottage cheese

This equates to about 1900 cals. I really need help with my 3pm snack. (feel free to criticize my diet too)

Supps: I really have no idea what to take here. I don't understand if Optimum is the best protein to take, if I should be taking a multi vitamin, creatine, glutamine or anything else. Again, one of my biggest problems is that I don't know what to take, but also when and how much.

**andyo** · 12-16-2003, 09:36 AM

Optimum is a good quality, low priced protein and should be fine. Your normal cal intake needs to decrease by about 10% to make a decent cutting diet, IMO.

I would also add the following when looking to reduce bodyfat:
Flax oil
VPX Redline or Liquid Clenbutrx, both rock(Thermogenics)
Green tea or Green Tea Extract
Multi-Vitamin
Glutamine for Recovery post-workout
A quality protein supp such as Optimum or Beverly Muscle Provider is advisable too.

Hope this helps man
good luck

**BabsieGirl** · 12-16-2003, 09:56 AM

Or, (in number of priority IMO)

1. glutamine (for recovery and to restore your glu levels)
2. Creatine SwoleV.2 Orange (for gains)
3. Multi-Vit (Beverly)
4. EFA (Flax Seed Oil)
5. Protein (Nectar Fuzzy & Isolate Reloaded Vanilla SunRise)
You can get protein from natural sources.....food.

Off Supps:

Beta3
Guggulbolic
BCAA
Amino Acids
ZMA
Lipo 6

I purchase all my supps by Syntrax.

**Dante B.** · 12-17-2003, 05:05 AM

Originally posted by BabsieGirl
Beta3
Guggulbolic
BCAA
Amino Acids
ZMA
Lipo 6

I purchase all my supps by Syntrax.

What? Syntrax doesn't produce a BCAA product, or ZMA, or Lipo 6.

Hah!

And what about Avant? Again, I'm disappointed. I shall cry like a man cries---alone

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When you're starting off, keep it simple. I agree with most of the recommendations. I do like Optimum as an inexpensive source of protein. Allthewhey is good, too.

It's best to purchase either a protein blend such as Isomatrix, or to use whey protein, alone--post workout, and to mix your whey in whatever it is you like.

So long as you're consuming some source of protein every several hours, then contrary to what's often said, whey is fine. Before you hit the sack, then it is better to have either a blended protein source, or a whole food source such as cottage cheese.

A basic multi-vitamin/mineral will do, along with some extra C and E (post workout). Fish oils are good as well as part of dieting regimen. Several capsules can be taken with each meal.

Other than protein (for convenience), EFA's and vitamins/minerals, anything else is your call. Creatine-----alone, or as part of a product formulation---is dandy, as is some type of ephedrine/caffeine stack.

**plouffe** · 12-17-2003, 05:30 AM

Guggulbolic - you see any results from this? I've heard some negitive stuff about...

**ajustana** · 12-17-2003, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by BabsieGirl

Off Supps:

Beta3
Guggulbolic
BCAA
Amino Acids
ZMA
Lipo 6

I purchase all my supps by Syntrax.

I have no clue what any of these are. Can you please explain?

**Twin Peak** · 12-18-2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Dante B.
What? Syntrax doesn't produce a BCAA product, or ZMA, or Lipo 6.

Hah!

And what about Avant? Again, I'm disappointed. I shall cry like a man cries---alone

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When you're starting off, keep it simple. I agree with most of the recommendations. I do like Optimum as an inexpensive source of protein. Allthewhey is good, too.

It's best to purchase either a protein blend such as Isomatrix, or to use whey protein, alone--post workout, and to mix your whey in whatever it is you like.

So long as you're consuming some source of protein every several hours, then contrary to what's often said, whey is fine. Before you hit the sack, then it is better to have either a blended protein source, or a whole food source such as cottage cheese.

A basic multi-vitamin/mineral will do, along with some extra C and E (post workout). Fish oils are good as well as part of dieting regimen. Several capsules can be taken with each meal.

Other than protein (for convenience), EFA's and vitamins/minerals, anything else is your call. Creatine-----alone, or as part of a product formulation---is dandy, as is some type of ephedrine/caffeine stack.

Nicely said. And not to be too contrarian, you'd be wasting your money on ZMA (unless it contains some designer steroids

), glutamine, and BCAAs and aminos (unless you are dieting).

**BabsieGirl** · 12-18-2003, 03:11 PM

Originally posted by Dante B.
What? Syntrax doesn't produce a BCAA product, or ZMA, or Lipo 6.

Hah!

And what about Avant? Again, I'm disappointed. I shall cry like a man cries---alone

-------

I haven't experimented with Avant products, therefore, I cannot speak in reference to your products

Avant (from what I've heard) is pretty good as well.

You're right...

Lipo 6>......................Joemuscle.com
BCAA & ZMA from my gym...I believe they are Beverly or Twin lab products???? I'll have to look.

**BabsieGirl** · 12-18-2003, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by ajustana
I have no clue what any of these are. Can you please explain?

Sure...give me a sec....

Mean while...you can scope a couple threads.

BCAA's.........Jodi created a Thread in regards

ZMA............I created a thread and I've replied to many of the other threads out there in ref. to ZMA...

I'll get back to ya on Beta3, Guggulbolic, Amino Acids and Lipo 6

**BabsieGirl** · 12-18-2003, 03:27 PM

Guggulbolic Extreme™ is a highly unique formula designed to optimize the functioning of your metabolism as well as positively affect blood lipids. The high potency guggulsteroids from our specially processed dark brown guggul extract and our synthetic E & Z guggulsterones strongly stimulate the thyroid gland to produce more thyroid hormones. This not only results in a healthier, more active thyroid, but also works to keep your Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR) at higher levels. With a high BMR, more calories are burned and more weight is lost. As a metabolic regulator, Guggulbolic™ also improves skin conditions by decreasing the number and size of blemishes. It provides your skin with specific nutrients so that it can be clear, soft, and healthy. For a synergistic fat-loss effect, combine with one or more of Syntrax’s other red label supplements.

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- Optimizes thyroid gland function

**BabsieGirl** · 12-18-2003, 03:30 PM

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Insulin Sensitizer
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Recommendations: As an adult dietary supplement, take 1 to 2 capsules three times daily, with or without meals. Combine with Adipokinetix, Guggulbolic, and/or MM4 for an increased, synergistic effect. Do not exceed 16 weeks of continuous use. Use only under the advice of your physician if you have a medical condition or are taking other medication. If you are pregnant or nursing a baby, or have heart disease, high blood pressure, or diabetes, seek the advice of a health professional before using this product.

**BabsieGirl** · 12-18-2003, 03:32 PM

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