When do anabolics become an rational option?

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 08:15 AM

How about you ask her instead of putting further details all over the boards unless she so chooses, we know enough already to be entertained.

oaktownboy · 12-30-2003, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by Prince
that is not what I am reading.

yah it was a stupid comment at the time, before i realized she was a former chemist and really knew everything i know now

oaktownboy · 12-30-2003, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by maddog1
See Mudge you can figure these people out quite easily. As for me, I had to work a bit harder, took her photo, used some facial recognition software, cross-linked it with some DB's and ....whoala she is a Doc down in Atlanta at a certain medical school (Associate Prof.). Grew up in Malaysia, spent time at a Navajo reservation, name address, etc.
Isn't information a beautiful thing.
If she were actually smart, I think she would protect her privacy much better than that.
And now she comes on a gear forum and tries to educate the masses of the unenlightened.

dawg that is far past wrong..why did u go digging up personal info?

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 11:46 AM

Apparently it was a joke of his.

maddog1 · 12-31-2003, 07:27 AM

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Originally posted by oaktownboy
dawg that is far past wrong..why did u go digging up personal info?

I agree that privacy is a crucial aspect on this board.
What is wrong is to disseminate personal identifying info, which I will not do.
A person posed the thought that this person was a Doc, since she seemed quite informed, but she would not affirm it. And since she was offering opinions of clinical studies and their interpretation-to people she has never personally consulted with about their possible use of AS, it is pertinent to know if this person is a Doc or not. I know that there are Docs on other sites and they identify themselves as such and they also have a sort of disclaimer saying that any type of correspondence does not imply or establish a doctor-patient relationship. Instead of a disclaimer in her sig, it does read "eat mud until you die" or something like that. I don't think that was part of the Hippocraticcal (sic?) oath that Docs take.

I do not know what the legal ramifications for this lady would be if say an HRT patient read her posts and formulated an opinion that wound up having detrimental effects on their health. This may be a reason why she was trying to conceal the fact.

Also, if someone wants to use their face as an avatar and think they will have privacy because it is "a big world out there", they are quite misinformed or kidding themselves.
Regarding digging up, it really isn't since alot of info exists in legally accessible public databases. This was the first time that I used facial recognition technology and used it as a bit of an experiment.
The only thing I wanted to confirm was the idea of a Doc or not, since I feel the people and members here should have the right to know that. I have no interest in this lady, nor did I save any of her info. Since she is a strong willed independent professional, etc., I'm sure she'll take it in stride.

Having said this, I think it is good to have informed people offering educated opinions on matters that can improve the quality of life of all readers.
If the Mods want to erase my post on it, they are welcome to, but it contains no personally identifiable info.
Peace bro.

MeatheadSam · 12-31-2003, 08:17 AM

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I do not know what the legal ramifications for this lady would be if say an HRT patient read her posts and formulated an opinion that wound up having detrimental effects on their health. This may be a reason why she was trying to conceal the fact.

From what I have read on this board there can easily be legal ramifications against cartloads of the people here for their uninhibited support and promotion of drug use for muscle gains. Hell, this site and its owners could be wide open to all sorts of lawsuits if someone here used what is popularly regarded "gear" among the patrons here based on the simple fact it is the vehicle of communication for this bad advice.

Disclaimers are not worth the paper they are written on or the bit data that displays them when the shit hits the fan. It is merely an attempt at convincing people they have no right to pursue legal retribution.

What kills me is a person who will use drugs by choice regardless of the advice or deterance given and then try to take some legal action. In the end it is always a personal choice. But everything always seems to be someone elses fault. Find a sympathetic jury and anything goes.

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 08:21 AM

Well, lets all hope that people take thier own health into consideration and dont blindly follow advice. Like the guy who stuck a drill up his nose to get rid of an itch, if it drills through wood at 5,000 RPM without trouble you would think he would have the common sense not to do this, but since there was no warning label mentioning such somehow this person thought it was "OK." Now how anyone not on PCP would think this would be OK is beyond me, but the point is we cant all be warned of this that and the other while being held by the hand, eventually you have to learn to digest what you read and hear crapping out the worthless parts.

bandaidwoman · 12-31-2003, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by maddog1
I agree that privacy is a crucial aspect on this board.
What is wrong is to disseminate personal identifying info, which I will not do.
A person posed the thought that this person was a Doc, since she seemed quite informed, but she would not affirm it. And since she was offering opinions of clinical studies and their interpretation-to people she has never personally consulted with about their possible use of AS, it is pertinent to know if this person is a Doc or not. I know that there are Docs on other sites and they identify themselves as such and they also have a sort of disclaimer saying that any type of correspondence does not imply or establish a doctor-patient relationship. Instead of a disclaimer in her sig, it does read "eat mud until you die" or something like that. I don't think that was part of the Hippocraticcal (sic?) oath that Docs take.

I do not know what the legal ramifications for this lady would be if say an HRT patient read her posts and formulated an opinion that wound up having detrimental effects on their health. This may be a reason why she was trying to conceal the fact.

Also, if someone wants to use their face as an avatar and think they will have privacy because it is "a big world out there", they are quite misinformed or kidding themselves.
Regarding digging up, it really isn't since alot of info exists in legally accessible public databases. This was the first time that I used facial recognition technology and used it as a bit of an experiment.
The only thing I wanted to confirm was the idea of a Doc or not, since I feel the people and members here should have the right to know that. I have no interest in this lady, nor did I save any of her info. Since she is a strong willed independent professional, etc., I'm sure she'll take it in stride.

Having said this, I think it is good to have informed people offering educated opinions on matters that can improve the quality of life of all readers.
If the Mods want to erase my post on it, they are welcome to, but it contains no personally identifiable info.
Peace bro.

No one asked me directly if i was a doc. I don't have any privacy issues, or else I would not have put my face on this forum or the others you were able to access the information from (the political and bike forums and physics forums) If noone asks, i don't bother telling. My posts cannot be construed as harmful when I have posted critical analysis and critique on studies rather than accepting things at face value. I personally don't like throwing around my resume. I don't bother asking if one is a personal trainer or nutritionist in order to validate their thoughts on nutritional or training information. Regarding the recent threads debating biblical interpretation , I did not ask if anyone was a theologan or rabbinic scholar in order for me to respect what they have to offer to the discussion.

As long as a doctor does not treat a patient over the internet, we cannot be sued. Doctors can suggest possible diagnosis, reccomend non prescription drugs, critique studies and disseminate information on particular clinical questions...kind of what the TV docs do.

So yeah, I am a doc. Here are some links so noone thinks I'm blowing air out my asshole. But I was a chemist for a long time, also New York City paramedic, and so many other things. I am now a clinical professor of medicine and in private practice at an affiliate hospital.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=chr...t&cop=mss&tab=

http://www.mcg.edu/som/clerkships/Me...covington1.htm

http://www.drblanchford.yourmd.com/

http://www.heartmdphd.com/best_md.asp

http://www.ngh.org/PressReleases/Int...20Medicine.htm

Christy Blanchford

Twin Peak · 12-31-2003, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by MeatheadSam
From what I have read on this board there can easily be legal ramifications against cartloads of the people here for their uninhibited support and promotion of drug use for muscle gains. Hell, this site and its owners could be wide open to all sorts of lawsuits if someone here used what is popularly regarded "gear" among the patrons here based on the simple fact it is the vehicle of communication for this bad advice.

Really Meathead? And what would the causes of action be? I can think of no legally cognizable cause of action for this, so I'd like to hear how this is possible.

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by bandaidwoman
Eat more mud, mountain bike until you die!

Now, I'm aware of clay containing minerals but is this really sage advice Doctor?

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 12:21 PM

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Originally posted by MeatheadSam
From what I have read on this board there can easily be legal ramifications against cartloads of the people here for their uninhibited support and promotion of drug use for muscle gains.

I can't recall seeing anyone, who is still a member, suggesting that anyone take or use illegal items. If you think about it better, I dont think you meant what you said.

Robbing a bank, or using drugs without a prescription is an individuals choice, nobody elses. Even if I were to encourage such things to people, or anyone else for that matter, am I somehow responsible?

maddog1 · 12-31-2003, 02:10 PM

Thanks for being forthright Dr. B, although it was entirely unnecessary to post the links, trust me, we believe you. It's obvious you were not some joker sitting in the basement of a public library typing away with some issues of J. of Biochem. sitting in front of you.

MeatheadSam · 12-31-2003, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by Twin Peak
Really Meathead? And what would the causes of action be? I can think of no legally cognizable cause of action for this, so I'd like to hear how this is possible.

Twin peak, you are from NY. One of the most lawsuit happy places on the planet. I think you ca agree that some lawyer can dream up some reasons to go before the court and argue practically anything and with the right jury will win.

Silly nonsense lawsuits are a regular occurance and they would not be if people were not winning something from the deal. Lawyers do not work for free.

It can happen whether there is solid evidence or not.

MeatheadSam · 12-31-2003, 04:09 PM

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Originally posted by Mudge
Even if I were to encourage such things to people, or anyone else for that matter, am I somehow responsible?

Not the point. No you are not responsible. But do you trust the system to be flawless and find you harmless if such a case were to come up even in a stretch? I don't.

BigTex · 12-31-2003, 05:03 PM

Best post by far.....bandaidwoman you're gooooooooooooood!

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by MeatheadSam
Twin peak, you are from NY. One of the most lawsuit happy places on the planet. I think you ca agree that some lawyer can dream up some reasons to go before the court and argue practically anything and with the right jury will win.

You asked the right man on that one.

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Originally posted by MeatheadSam
Not the point. No you are not responsible. But do you trust the system to be flawless and find you harmless if such a case were to come up even in a stretch? I don't.

People who recently gave advice to a young person who committed suicide were not in any way found responsible. It can bring heat on the source of the information meaning the message board, but information is out there free until someone decides to stop someones freedom of speech.

Or starvation dieters websites, that tell you it is more important to look good than be healthy. That ice cubes do make a meal.

So you are implying that we should not have freedom of speech, and frankly thats bullshit. Why? Because this is not heroin, this is not crack cocaine, this stuff is not going to kill someone instantly and long term health problems are the likely outcome of irresponsible use. Look at all the users of the past who are still around today, obviously it has a much nicer track record than heroin.

Power Rabbit · 12-31-2003, 06:26 PM

well crap...political debates aint fun.....so to the change the subject ...

Doc. B. , are you familiar with progesterone and the best substance for blocking it???

Best meaning cheap as well as effective:-P

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 06:30 PM

Bromocriptine is used in progesterone gyno blockage attempts, but the nolvadex argument is always present.

Power Rabbit · 12-31-2003, 06:34 PM

Ya ive heard of Bromocriptine. I was hopeing she could think up a better "second gen" one... like dex vs nolva
A shot in the dark really :-P

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 06:47 PM

Dex and nolva dont do exactly the same things though, bad example

Power Rabbit · 12-31-2003, 06:52 PM

bah :-p ....ill use your favorite then..... clomid vs nolva

PreMier · 12-31-2003, 06:53 PM

Arimidex vs Nolvadex

MeatheadSam · 12-31-2003, 07:42 PM

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So you are implying that we should not have freedom of speech, and frankly thats bullshit. Why? Because this is not heroin, this is not crack cocaine, this stuff is not going to kill someone instantly and long term health problems are the likely outcome of irresponsible use. Look at all the users of the past who are still around today, obviously it has a much nicer track record than heroin.

Absolutely not, I am a firm beleiver in freedom of speech and all our liberties/freedoms. I am merely trying to say be careful what kind of feedback and advice a person might give. That is all.

And if a boneheaded person can sue McDonalds over spilled hot coffee and win then anything is possible.

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 08:54 PM

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Originally posted by MeatheadSam
I am merely trying to say be careful what kind of feedback and advice a person might give. That is all.

And if a boneheaded person can sue McDonalds over spilled hot coffee and win then anything is possible.

I can agree with that, but I dont think I give bad advice. I would much rather someone NOT take anything if they dont care to educate themselves, just as people should know something about a supplement before partaking in its use.

How about the guy who stuck a drill up his nose to remove an itch, those were some gory pictures. Do we really need to put a warning that a 5,000 RPM steel drill bit does NOT go up your nose to remove itches?

Human flesh is NOT steel, and 5k RPM with even a crappy bit will tear through wood just fine. If this person was not on PCP he had no excuse, and if he was he still had no excuse because he is an idiot regardless.

Some people!!!

"If sense were common, everyone would have it."

12-30-2003, 08:15 AM	#91
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	How about you ask her instead of putting further details all over the boards unless she so chooses, we know enough already to be entertained.
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12-30-2003, 11:46 AM	#94
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Apparently it was a joke of his.
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12-31-2003, 08:21 AM	#97
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Well, lets all hope that people take thier own health into consideration and dont blindly follow advice. Like the guy who stuck a drill up his nose to get rid of an itch, if it drills through wood at 5,000 RPM without trouble you would think he would have the common sense not to do this, but since there was no warning label mentioning such somehow this person thought it was "OK." Now how anyone not on PCP would think this would be OK is beyond me, but the point is we cant all be warned of this that and the other while being held by the hand, eventually you have to learn to digest what you read and hear crapping out the worthless parts.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

12-31-2003, 02:10 PM	#102
maddog1 Member Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 313	Thanks for being forthright Dr. B, although it was entirely unnecessary to post the links, trust me, we believe you. It's obvious you were not some joker sitting in the basement of a public library typing away with some issues of J. of Biochem. sitting in front of you.
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12-31-2003, 05:03 PM	#105
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12-31-2003, 06:26 PM	#107
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	well crap...political debates aint fun.....so to the change the subject ... Doc. B. , are you familiar with progesterone and the best substance for blocking it??? Best meaning cheap as well as effective:-P

12-31-2003, 06:30 PM	#108
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Bromocriptine is used in progesterone gyno blockage attempts, but the nolvadex argument is always present.
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

12-31-2003, 06:34 PM	#109
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	Ya ive heard of Bromocriptine. I was hopeing she could think up a better "second gen" one... like dex vs nolva A shot in the dark really :-P

12-31-2003, 06:47 PM	#110
Mudge Pizza the Hut Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 22,997 Photos: 1	Dex and nolva dont do exactly the same things though, bad example
	Kinesiology Vote @ Top 25 Deads Comp Bench Motivation Bench form MaxCalc Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu I don't know any sources so don't ask - thanks

12-31-2003, 06:52 PM	#111
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	bah :-p ....ill use your favorite then..... clomid vs nolva

12-31-2003, 06:53 PM	#112
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,055 Photos: 2	Arimidex vs Nolvadex
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