Swole V2 + Cutting?

NeedMuscleMass · 12-24-2003, 10:48 AM

I always thought you shouldnt take creatine while on a cut, but I read a thread where someone did...

Is it ok to take swole v2 while I'm cutting?

I'm 5'11, 158lbs, almost 18 yo.

Will this negatively affect my cutting?

And since i have never taken a form of creatine I think I will load.

plouffe · 12-24-2003, 10:54 AM

Don't go through a loading stage, and I couldn't see how cutting would mess up the effects of swole v2? Maybe loosing water weight would diminish the effects it? I'm not sure. But don't load.

NeedMuscleMass · 12-24-2003, 10:57 AM

Well creatine in general, I was just thinking of using v2..

Why no load?

nikegurl · 12-24-2003, 12:39 PM

may i ask if you're really sure you want to be cutting at 5' 11" and 158 lbs? i'd think you'd be much better off packing the food in, training hard, keeping your diet clean and gaining some muscle especially at 18.

plouffe · 12-24-2003, 12:41 PM

Another thing is the crazy amounts of sugars in the transport systems... That's alot of carbs. Search around IM for the no loading question. I personally forget why, but I remember reading it.

NeedMuscleMass · 12-24-2003, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by nikegurl
may i ask if you're really sure you want to be cutting at 5' 11" and 158 lbs? i'd think you'd be much better off packing the food in, training hard, keeping your diet clean and gaining some muscle especially at 18.

I'm concentrating on getting ripped and then I'm going to start a bulk cycle. I've been trainging hard to lose fat around the abs and chest.

Quote:

Originally posted by plouffe
Another thing is the crazy amounts of sugars in the transport systems... That's alot of carbs. Search around IM for the no loading question. I personally forget why, but I remember reading it.

So would you recommend a regular creatine? or no creatine at all?

NeedMuscleMass · 12-26-2003, 10:53 AM

Var · 12-26-2003, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NeedMuscleMass
been trainging hard to lose fat around the abs and chest.

Are u saying that you've been doing exercises to lose fat around the abs and chest? (Bench press, crunches, etc.) This is not possible. You can't spot reduce bodyfat. Diet is the way to get shredded, but you have to have a decent amount of muscle mass in order to have something to show off. Sounds to me like you need to build more muscle first and worry about cutting later. JMO.

Edit: I dont see anything wrong with using Creatine whether you're cutting or bulking. It's good stuff.

Also, I'm 5'6 and 160 lbs. I would never think about cutting right now.

nacnac972 · 12-26-2003, 03:00 PM

Yeah 5'11 158 cutting?I am 5'7 170 and want 10 more lbs before I start cutting.

NeedMuscleMass · 12-26-2003, 04:25 PM

I want a 6 pack but i figured cutting and then crunches would be the way to go.

You guys think I should bulk? It just seems I have fat in wrong places.

Var · 12-26-2003, 04:48 PM

How long have u been training? If you're new to it, you'll lose some fat while gaining muscle in the beginning. I think at your weight, you should bulk. Bulking doesnt necessarily mean putting on A LOT of fat. Do a clean bulk and you should be able to keep fat to a minimum.

plouffe · 12-26-2003, 04:55 PM

NeedMuscleMass, I just suggest you don't cut to be honest with you, bulk up a bit. But you really want to do this. Get pure creatine monohydrate. It'll work better than no creatine at all. Take it with your PWO shake.

NeedMuscleMass · 12-26-2003, 04:56 PM

training for only about a month..

Thanks for imput, I'm going to think about taking in 16 cal/lb

I started off at 165 btw.

plouffe · 12-26-2003, 05:18 PM

Oh that's some decent progress.

NeedMuscleMass · 12-26-2003, 05:50 PM

Yea, I've been eatin really strict, 3 days of training, plus lots of hockey.

So Maybe its time to bulk?

plouffe · 12-27-2003, 01:57 PM

Donno man you sound confused on what you should be doing. Just do what you feel needs to be done. Just because your gonna bulk doesn't mean your going to get fat, you sound pretty active, and I know hockeyplayers are pretty damn solid as it is. So just make the decision, get bigger right now, or get ripped out?

QuestionGuy · 12-27-2003, 10:01 PM

you wanna get ripped??????? LoL, you sound like my girlfriend no matter how skinny she is (and she is) she still thinks she's fat

QuestionGuy · 12-27-2003, 10:05 PM

a month of training is nothing, eat a lot of protein "clean bulk", do about 10 pounds and then start cutting if you want, if you do everything right those 10 pounds should be like 7 pounds of muscle.... but do some research on it, everyone is different..... im 5'11 and around 212 pounds at 17%BodyFat.... And i just started cuting,

i took it to far but its ok once im done ill be about 8% BF and 195 pounds.....Another thing is are you trying to "get big" or just be in good shape for hokey ?

NeedMuscleMass · 12-27-2003, 10:23 PM

Yeah I know I just started training.

I think I'm going to go with another 2-3 weeks of cutting just to get off all the fat i had from eatin fast food every nite lol.

Then i'll try to add around 10lbs and bring training to 4 days.

How does that sound?

And for hockey I'm looking to get bigger so i could guard the puck easier when circling.

Thanks for all the help

Jesse

plouffe · 12-29-2003, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by plouffe
Another thing is the crazy amounts of sugars in the transport systems... That's alot of carbs. Search around IM for the no loading question. I personally forget why, but I remember reading it.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/anssi1.htm

Here's an article about creatine loading, check that out.

NeedMuscleMass · 12-29-2003, 04:35 PM

Thanks for the article.

What are simple carbs? like potatoes and brown rice, correct?

Power Rabbit · 12-29-2003, 11:19 PM

yea...sweet potatoes, oats(i eat em raw no milk :-P), brown rice

NeedMuscleMass · 12-30-2003, 12:35 AM

Thanks for everyones help

burstofspeed · 01-05-2004, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by plouffe
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/anssi1.htm

Here's an article about creatine loading, check that out.

In that article it cautions against taking creatine with juices---

"Creatine should be taken with a high-carbohydrate meal or beverage, but high-fructose components (e.g. fruit juice) should be avoided because fructose does not elicit a significant insulin response."

Isnt grape juice what alot of people take with creatine??

Also it says that caffine might adversly affect the effects of creatines ---

"Caffeine has been reported to adversely affect the efficacy of creatine supplementation."

does anyone know more about this? Im going to be starting a EC stack tomorrow and wanted to get on swole V2 within two weeks. Am I better off just going through a cut w/o the creatine(swole).

Thanks

NeedMuscleMass · 01-05-2004, 02:45 PM

Also another question..

I can take swole v2 with my PWO shake if I'm also taking in 1/2c oats and 3 fish oil pills right?

12-24-2003, 10:48 AM	#1
NeedMuscleMass Confused Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 240	Swole V2 + Cutting? I always thought you shouldnt take creatine while on a cut, but I read a thread where someone did... Is it ok to take swole v2 while I'm cutting? I'm 5'11, 158lbs, almost 18 yo. Will this negatively affect my cutting? And since i have never taken a form of creatine I think I will load.

12-24-2003, 10:54 AM	#2
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	Don't go through a loading stage, and I couldn't see how cutting would mess up the effects of swole v2? Maybe loosing water weight would diminish the effects it? I'm not sure. But don't load. These are my favorite faces : - - - Personal Bests: Bench - 235 Deadlift - 315 X 17 Squat - 315 X 11 40 yrd. - 4.65

12-24-2003, 12:39 PM	#4
nikegurl Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: LA, CA Posts: 5,641	may i ask if you're really sure you want to be cutting at 5' 11" and 158 lbs? i'd think you'd be much better off packing the food in, training hard, keeping your diet clean and gaining some muscle especially at 18. If you want to achieve things that others can't... You have to do things that others won't.

12-24-2003, 12:41 PM	#5
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	Another thing is the crazy amounts of sugars in the transport systems... That's alot of carbs. Search around IM for the no loading question. I personally forget why, but I remember reading it. These are my favorite faces : - - - Personal Bests: Bench - 235 Deadlift - 315 X 17 Squat - 315 X 11 40 yrd. - 4.65

12-26-2003, 10:53 AM	#7
NeedMuscleMass Confused Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 240	bump

12-24-2003, 10:57 AM	#3
NeedMuscleMass Confused Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 240	Well creatine in general, I was just thinking of using v2.. Why no load?

12-26-2003, 03:00 PM	#9
nacnac972 MX Racer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SF bay area Posts: 159	Yeah 5'11 158 cutting?I am 5'7 170 and want 10 more lbs before I start cutting.

12-26-2003, 04:25 PM	#10
NeedMuscleMass Confused Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 240	I want a 6 pack but i figured cutting and then crunches would be the way to go. You guys think I should bulk? It just seems I have fat in wrong places.

12-26-2003, 04:48 PM	#11
Var Filthy Animal Join Date: May 2002 Location: Finally back in New England!! Posts: 5,438	How long have u been training? If you're new to it, you'll lose some fat while gaining muscle in the beginning. I think at your weight, you should bulk. Bulking doesnt necessarily mean putting on A LOT of fat. Do a clean bulk and you should be able to keep fat to a minimum.

12-26-2003, 04:55 PM	#12
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	NeedMuscleMass, I just suggest you don't cut to be honest with you, bulk up a bit. But you really want to do this. Get pure creatine monohydrate. It'll work better than no creatine at all. Take it with your PWO shake. These are my favorite faces : - - - Personal Bests: Bench - 235 Deadlift - 315 X 17 Squat - 315 X 11 40 yrd. - 4.65

12-26-2003, 04:56 PM	#13
NeedMuscleMass Confused Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 240	training for only about a month.. Thanks for imput, I'm going to think about taking in 16 cal/lb I started off at 165 btw.

12-26-2003, 05:18 PM	#14
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	Oh that's some decent progress. These are my favorite faces : - - - Personal Bests: Bench - 235 Deadlift - 315 X 17 Squat - 315 X 11 40 yrd. - 4.65

12-26-2003, 05:50 PM	#15
NeedMuscleMass Confused Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 240	Yea, I've been eatin really strict, 3 days of training, plus lots of hockey. So Maybe its time to bulk?

12-27-2003, 01:57 PM	#16
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	Donno man you sound confused on what you should be doing. Just do what you feel needs to be done. Just because your gonna bulk doesn't mean your going to get fat, you sound pretty active, and I know hockeyplayers are pretty damn solid as it is. So just make the decision, get bigger right now, or get ripped out? These are my favorite faces : - - - Personal Bests: Bench - 235 Deadlift - 315 X 17 Squat - 315 X 11 40 yrd. - 4.65

12-27-2003, 10:01 PM	#17
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,741	you wanna get ripped??????? LoL, you sound like my girlfriend no matter how skinny she is (and she is) she still thinks she's fat You've never lived untill you've almost died, life has an excitement that the protected will never know.

12-27-2003, 10:05 PM	#18
QuestionGuy Registered User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,741	a month of training is nothing, eat a lot of protein "clean bulk", do about 10 pounds and then start cutting if you want, if you do everything right those 10 pounds should be like 7 pounds of muscle.... but do some research on it, everyone is different..... im 5'11 and around 212 pounds at 17%BodyFat.... And i just started cuting, i took it to far but its ok once im done ill be about 8% BF and 195 pounds.....Another thing is are you trying to "get big" or just be in good shape for hokey ? You've never lived untill you've almost died, life has an excitement that the protected will never know.

12-27-2003, 10:23 PM	#19
NeedMuscleMass Confused Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 240	Yeah I know I just started training. I think I'm going to go with another 2-3 weeks of cutting just to get off all the fat i had from eatin fast food every nite lol. Then i'll try to add around 10lbs and bring training to 4 days. How does that sound? And for hockey I'm looking to get bigger so i could guard the puck easier when circling. Thanks for all the help Jesse

12-29-2003, 04:35 PM	#21
NeedMuscleMass Confused Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 240	Thanks for the article. What are simple carbs? like potatoes and brown rice, correct?

12-29-2003, 11:19 PM	#22
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	yea...sweet potatoes, oats(i eat em raw no milk :-P), brown rice

12-30-2003, 12:35 AM	#23
NeedMuscleMass Confused Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 240	Thanks for everyones help

01-05-2004, 02:45 PM	#25
NeedMuscleMass Confused Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Long Island Posts: 240	Also another question.. I can take swole v2 with my PWO shake if I'm also taking in 1/2c oats and 3 fish oil pills right?

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