Starting MAD

gopro · 12-26-2003, 12:34 PM

Just letting everyone know I am starting a cycle of methyl 4-AD on Saturday, Dec 27th. I will be using 250 mg per day for two weeks. This will be divided into 3 equal daily doses. I will make no other changes to diet, training, or supplementation during this period. Here are my starting stats:

-weight = 234
-bodyfat = 6-6.5%

I will report the good, bad, and ugly about this much argued about substance after week 1 and 2.

See ya soon!

Power Rabbit · 12-26-2003, 12:56 PM

Cool. GL GP.. Im really interested on how it goes!!

gopro · 12-26-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Power Rabbit
Cool. GL GP.. Im really interested on how it goes!!

Me too

plouffe · 12-26-2003, 05:21 PM

MAD plus M1-T Stack.....

That'd be insane eh?

david · 12-26-2003, 07:08 PM

Hey GP!! Long time no talk! You threw me off with the "MAD".

For a minute I was going to say, "What the hell is going on down there in Pembroke Pines Gold's! (I was there yesterday and I met Trent)

Hey, whose is the freak chick your training with. I may know who she is!

gopro · 12-26-2003, 07:14 PM

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Originally posted by david
Hey GP!! Long time no talk! You threw me off with the "MAD".

For a minute I was going to say, "What the hell is going on down there in Pembroke Pines Gold's! (I was there yesterday and I met Trent)

Hey, whose is the freak chick your training with. I may know who she is!

Hey buddy! Not at PP anymore...only in the "hood" Golds now. And as far as the freak chick...nah, you wouldn't know her...she is from out of state. Just got a fitness model contract with Met RX and is relocating to South Fla. I am training her for her pro card attempt in Figure at the Jr USA and Jr Nats in 2004.

david · 12-26-2003, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by gopro
Hey buddy! Not at PP anymore...only in the "hood" Golds now. And as far as the freak chick...nah, you wouldn't know her...she is from out of state. Just got a fitness model contract with Met RX and is relocating to South Fla. I am training her for her pro card attempt in Figure at the Jr USA and Jr Nats in 2004.

Well congratulations, pal!!

Hey, met-rx and Debbie Kruck along with Julie Shipley! What a combo! I know you'll succeed with her and her goals!!!

The "Hood" Holly-hood!

Speaking of which I am heading out there in a few minutes!!! Better get my artillery and ammo!

Just kidding, buddy!

I'll have to come out and visit you soon! I'm in the process of getting a new car because this frickin' Miata is PISSING me off!!! So soon! Very soon! Hey GP, you'll be out at the Arnold, won't you?

gopro · 12-26-2003, 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by david
Well congratulations, pal!!

Hey, met-rx and Debbie Kruck along with Julie Shipley! What a combo! I know you'll succeed with her and her goals!!!

The "Hood" Holly-hood!

Speaking of which I am heading out there in a few minutes!!! Better get my artillery and ammo!

Just kidding, buddy!

I'll have to come out and visit you soon! I'm in the process of getting a new car because this frickin' Miata is PISSING me off!!! So soon! Very soon! Hey GP, you'll be out at the Arnold, won't you?

Yeah, I'm proud of her. Being asked to be a Met RX girl is a very coveted position. I will do all in my power to help her get her IFBB pro card!!

Heading out to da Hood...call me if you need backup, LOL!

Yeah bro...I'll be at the IRONMAN first and then the ARNOLD!

plouffe · 12-26-2003, 09:15 PM

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Originally posted by plouffe
MAD plus M1-T Stack.....

That'd be insane eh?

How would that be?

gopro · 12-26-2003, 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by plouffe
How would that be?

Yes, it should be pretty productive, but the liver would take quite the beating!

**Prince** · 12-26-2003, 09:28 PM

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Originally posted by gopro
Here are my starting stats:

-weight = 234
-bodyfat = 6-6.5%

why in the world would you be at 6% bf right now?

that is about what pros maintain off season for guest appearances, and they can do this because they're loaded with drugs.

gopro · 12-26-2003, 09:32 PM

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Originally posted by Prince
why in the world would you be at 6% bf right now?

that is about what pros maintain off season for guest appearances, and they can do this because they're loaded with drugs.

Ummm, well, this is about where I will stay from now on Prince. I am always subject to having pics taken for various projects and always need to look good to represent at all the shows VPX attends. Difference with me is.......NO DRUGS. Just crazy hard work and spartan discipline. Best shape of my life right now!

prolangtum · 12-26-2003, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by plouffe
How would that be?

A much safer stack would be injectable testosterone, that might do a number on the liver.

gopro · 12-27-2003, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by prolangtum
A much safer stack would be injectable testosterone, that might do a number on the liver.

Or even to just go with M 1-T and regular 4-AD or regular 1-Test with MAD. Then you are simply working with one 17 aa product.

prolangtum · 12-27-2003, 06:56 PM

GoPro,
From looking at other feedback, and other peoples recomendations, I would seriously lower your dosage. People are recomending 10-30mgs per day. At 250mgs, guesstimating 50% conversion, your getting 125 mgs of Methyl Test. That is going to do a number on your liver, give you crazy acne, hairloss (well nevermind your head is shaved) and me murder on your body. As much as I have disagreed with you in the past, I would hate to see you end up in the hospital with liver failure.

gopro · 12-28-2003, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by prolangtum
GoPro,
From looking at other feedback, and other peoples recomendations, I would seriously lower your dosage. People are recomending 10-30mgs per day. At 250mgs, guesstimating 50% conversion, your getting 125 mgs of Methyl Test. That is going to do a number on your liver, give you crazy acne, hairloss (well nevermind your head is shaved) and me murder on your body. As much as I have disagreed with you in the past, I would hate to see you end up in the hospital with liver failure.

I agree...I've been reading the research as well. What I am going to do is use this amount for at least a week and see what happens as far as sides and blood work. I need to do this b/c I need some sort of tangable proof to present to "the powers that be," that the VPX dosing is too high. I guess I'm going to be a "sacrificial" lamb so to speak. Luckily I have never consumed alcohol, taken any drugs, or ever done anything to compromise my liver in any way...so, I can probably handle the load for a very short period.

Thanks for your concern.

prolangtum · 12-28-2003, 12:59 PM

Well on that amount, your strength should be quite insane

gopro · 12-28-2003, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by prolangtum
Well on that amount, your strength should be quite insane

We'll see. I think a better dose would be about 100-125 mg per day. IF conversion was 50% (if), than 50-60 mg of M-test per day is not too out of range. Most guys that DO use M-test go anywhere from 25 to 150 mg per day. Personally I don't think conversion is going to be that high and that the unconverted portion will supply most of the beneficial effects.

So far on it for two days. Trained today and got an insane pump and was very strong. Still, I don't count that as anything yet.

prolangtum · 12-28-2003, 08:32 PM

I think that sounds about right. I know a few PLers who would use 60-80mgs of Methyltest preworkout.

plouffe · 12-28-2003, 10:45 PM

That's a pretty damn large ammount of Methyltest.. Would the increase of test levels help you along with your workout? More intensity/strength?

prolangtum · 12-29-2003, 12:34 AM

It does not increase test levels, it increases Methyl Test levels. Just like taking any other AAS that isnt Test, deca increases Deca levels, dbol increases dbol levels.

Power Rabbit · 12-29-2003, 12:45 AM

yea its the reason why basic test(pro,cyp,ent, *insert ester here*)should be the main ingredient to any cycle...deca still shuts ur test production down, so when run it alone you will get gains but good look on "standing at attension"...now that i think about it, could mad give a case of deca dik, or this case mad dik...

12-26-2003, 12:34 PM	#1
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: GLOBAL! Posts: 10,893	Starting MAD Just letting everyone know I am starting a cycle of methyl 4-AD on Saturday, Dec 27th. I will be using 250 mg per day for two weeks. This will be divided into 3 equal daily doses. I will make no other changes to diet, training, or supplementation during this period. Here are my starting stats: -weight = 234 -bodyfat = 6-6.5% I will report the good, bad, and ugly about this much argued about substance after week 1 and 2. See ya soon! All American EFX Sponsored Pro Bodybuilder/Internet Marketing Manager P/RR/S DVD and E-Book now available! P/RR/S DVD http://www.home-gym.com/erbrporepras.html P/RR/S E-BOOK html www.X-traordinaryWorkouts.com Monthly columnist for Muscular Development and Ironman magazines. www.prrstraining.com Time to GROW Without Plateau! Personal Training Gopro is available for online personal training, dietary guidance, and contest prep coaching. Send me a PM or e-mail if interested. Thank you.

12-26-2003, 05:21 PM	#4
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	MAD plus M1-T Stack..... That'd be insane eh? These are my favorite faces : - - - Personal Bests: Bench - 235 Deadlift - 315 X 17 Squat - 315 X 11 40 yrd. - 4.65

12-27-2003, 06:56 PM	#15
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	GoPro, From looking at other feedback, and other peoples recomendations, I would seriously lower your dosage. People are recomending 10-30mgs per day. At 250mgs, guesstimating 50% conversion, your getting 125 mgs of Methyl Test. That is going to do a number on your liver, give you crazy acne, hairloss (well nevermind your head is shaved) and me murder on your body. As much as I have disagreed with you in the past, I would hate to see you end up in the hospital with liver failure. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-28-2003, 12:59 PM	#17
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	Well on that amount, your strength should be quite insane Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-28-2003, 08:32 PM	#19
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	I think that sounds about right. I know a few PLers who would use 60-80mgs of Methyltest preworkout. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-26-2003, 12:56 PM	#2
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	Cool. GL GP.. Im really interested on how it goes!!

12-26-2003, 07:08 PM	#5
david EAST COAST BRAT Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Waterworld, FL Posts: 25,420 Photos: 2	Hey GP!! Long time no talk! You threw me off with the "MAD". For a minute I was going to say, "What the hell is going on down there in Pembroke Pines Gold's! (I was there yesterday and I met Trent) Hey, whose is the freak chick your training with. I may know who she is!

12-28-2003, 10:45 PM	#20
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	That's a pretty damn large ammount of Methyltest.. Would the increase of test levels help you along with your workout? More intensity/strength? These are my favorite faces : - - - Personal Bests: Bench - 235 Deadlift - 315 X 17 Squat - 315 X 11 40 yrd. - 4.65

12-29-2003, 12:34 AM	#21
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	It does not increase test levels, it increases Methyl Test levels. Just like taking any other AAS that isnt Test, deca increases Deca levels, dbol increases dbol levels. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-29-2003, 12:45 AM	#22
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	yea its the reason why basic test(pro,cyp,ent, insert ester here)should be the main ingredient to any cycle...deca still shuts ur test production down, so when run it alone you will get gains but good look on "standing at attension"...now that i think about it, could mad give a case of deca dik, or this case mad dik...

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