Legal Gear brand M1T

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 12:37 AM

Not much to report, but since I said I would report I will keep this first post of the thread updated as need be.

Only been 6 days so far, with a spot I may have been able to increase my bench a single rep but I really dont know. With some "other stuff" I can increase it a rep easily on my own, so its certainly not the best stuff I've tried but it is cheaper for sure.

20mg ED, I am going to move to 30mg ED after this 6th day of virtually no results. Weight remains unchanged at 230 pounds even (without a dietary change weight gain only comes from increased nitrogen retention). No more milk in the diet as of yesterday, so I have to increase carbs from other sources (pasta baby).

No side effects at all, no lethargy. Dont know if its my bodyweight or what but legal supplements have a history of doing nothing for me except a few (Ephedrine/Ultimate Orange, Ginkgo Biloba, the original Hot Stuff, heck thats all I can remember).

12-24 Day 1 @ 20mg
12-29 Flat bench 295x8 (366 estimated).

* No sides
* No weight increase
* Strength increase? Nothing on paper if at all
* Measurements the same

12-30 Day 1 @ 30mg (day 7 overall)

12-31 - I want to go home and SLEEP, seems like lethargy is here for the last couple days.

plouffe · 12-30-2003, 12:52 AM

Damn. Maybe having cycled before with stronger / more potent compounds keep you from seeing gains with M 1-T?

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 12:59 AM

Before I touched anything "special," 1-Test did nothing for me.

Creatine, nothing. Swole V2, nothing. I'm not a super heavyweight or anything but I'm not 160 pounds either, so that is the only thing I can really think of. Its possible that this stuff would work well but just not as well as what I came off of, I would not be supprised if that were the case. I have found one person running this stuff @ 40mg ED.

Even when I was younger, I had to run the Hot Stuff a bit on the high side to get much out of it, but it DID work. With Ultimate Orange I ran about 1.5x standard dose because of my weight (they had a scale to go off of).

plouffe · 12-30-2003, 01:53 AM

Wow Mudge, I kinda feel bad for you for once.. hah

JerseyDevil · 12-30-2003, 05:38 AM

Well the good news is you don't have any sides.... I felt the effects within a few days. Strength gain however really kicked in the second week. I did 20 mg ED first week, 30 mg ED second. I gotta believe though Mudge that an experienced gear user, especially one coming off a cycle, is not going to see the type of gains us who are relatively new to androgens would.

I will be surprised if you don't notice anything after another week at 30 mg.

Twin Peak · 12-30-2003, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
No side effects at all, no lethargy. Dont know if its my bodyweight or what but legal supplements have a history of doing nothing for me except a few (Ephedrine/Ultimate Orange, Ginkgo Biloba, the original Hot Stuff, heck thats all I can remember).

Mudge, I am much the same way. Indeed, at 30 mg a day, I experienced no sides. It also took some time for the M1T to have positive body comp effects.

Hang in there, and recall my comments (as well as Dante's and Prolangtum's) on dosage.

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 09:11 AM

I will go ahead with 30mg, and I try to keep in mind that even dbol doesn't start being felt for most until 4/5 days.

I'm also the guy who never felt anything from ephedra but the mildest of effects, ephedrine though - loved it.

Twin Peak · 12-30-2003, 09:17 AM

I feel nothing from Ephedrine, unless doses are through the roof.

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 09:25 AM

Even 25mg does something for me, but 50mg is pretty nice. Ultimate Orange ultimately though worked better even though 25mg is part of the standard dose, dont even remember what else was in there.

prolangtum · 12-30-2003, 09:32 AM

I usually have to down 75-100mgs of ephedrine for a Pre WO stimulant affect.

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 09:33 AM

I used just enough to remove any tiredness type feeling, since at the time I was using it I had to go to the gym freaking after midnight.

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 05:08 PM

Quote:

By DrtyJrzyGuy

I finsihed a four week cycle of m1t from kilosports about 2 weeks ago, i ran 20mged for four weeks because i THOUGHT i was having no sides. . . Then the pain started to increase. . . i orginally attributed the pain in my back as well as abdominal area to the lower back pains people complain about. . .but then i just started feeling like something just wasn't right with me. . . figured it was the flue and went to the doc to see what was up. . . After getting blood tests we found that my liver values where absolutly horrible. . . I'll scan in the sheet when i get home later tonight. Basically many of the values are more than triple what the absolute worst should be. I soon started having chronic vomitting and such, and have been feeling worse by the day. After getting a cat scan we discovered that my liver has been physically damaged, more than likely due to the use of the m1t according to my doctor. Basically there is lines of fat going through my liver, which my doctor stress's is only common in a few people, those who are alcoholics for many years and those who abuse anabolic steroids. . .

Now my doctor knows I have an interest in steroids, and I told him about the m1t. . . we got in a long discussion and he explained to me that he doesn't feel steroid use is bad, when done properly. He explained to me that oral steroids can cause liver failure if used over a long period of time, but that time is usualy a few years. . as was the case with the other person he said he had come in with basically the same problem. He can only guess that the M1T must simply be extremely liver toxic, he said if I was telling the truth about it only being four weeks that I may want to consider seeing an attorney. . . I am not the one to sue though, so i don't plan on that.

I'll post a full update later today as to our findings, he said it could be due to soemthign else, but he just feels that it isn't, that it was the M1t that has done this. . . He also feels that because o fmy young age and the severity right now that I may ultimately be hospitalized. . . thats basiclaly what i'll be finding out this week. . .

So my words of advice are simple, if your thinking about doing this stuff wait a week and hopefully someone, me unfourtunantly will be able to tell you exactly how liver toxic this product is. . .

BUT

I did make awsome gains and have kept 16lbs of muscle acording to my trusty fat calipers. . . however, it simply is not worht the price i may be paying. . .

PreMier · 12-30-2003, 05:38 PM

Whats your thoughts on that post Mudge?

Power Rabbit · 12-30-2003, 05:58 PM

Stuff hits people in all sorta different ways. Side effects, results, etc. Figureing out how you will do on PH's or gear aint an exact science.

Im not sayin it aint harsh on the liver. M1t is pretty much a 17aa steroid(meaning very liver harsh), but it hasnt killed everyone who has taken it. This poor guy just isnt lucky.

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PreMier
Whats your thoughts on that post Mudge?

I feel for the guy but I cannot believe he obtained a fatty liver in 4 weeks. I think he had this issue and didn't know about it beforehand.

It would pay to get a blood test, especially if you have been a heavy drinker at any point in your life. Some people seem near invincible (George Burns, Rasputin the Mad Monk) and yet others aren't so lucky.

PreMier · 12-30-2003, 06:41 PM

George Burns was a bad ass. Always had a drink in one hand and a cigar in the other. Those are some good genes right there. I want to get a blood test just to see my Blood Pressure and Colesterol levels. I dont even know my blood type

**Mudge** · 12-30-2003, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Power Rabbit
M1t is pretty much a 17aa steroid(meaning very liver harsh), but it hasnt killed everyone who has taken it. This poor guy just isnt lucky.

It is a 17aa steroid yes, I think he was just un-lucky. Not to belittle his problems of course.

JerseyDevil · 12-31-2003, 04:50 AM

If he really believes it was the M1T, then I hope he posts this and a follow up on several of the prohormone boards. I feel for the guy, that's awful. I bet it was something pre-existing and the M1T may have caused it to accelerate.

There is a guy on AM that works in a lab and can do his own blood work. He is currently doing a M1T cycle of 20 mg ED and 6-7 days in his liver enyzmes are just slightly elevated.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12132

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 09:13 AM

Exactly, we have seen people test with heavy anadrol cycles and they are slightly above normal. I say genetic predisposition, which really sucks for the guy.

Even if he were drinking like a maniac 4 weeks is not going to take down many people at all.

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 12:24 PM

Well I can't edit my post at the top, bummer.

12-31 - I want to go home and SLEEP, seems like lethargy is here for the last couple days.

About 25 hours post arm-workout I have a solid 1/8th inch increase. If this increases the same next week then thats not too shabby.

prolangtum · 12-31-2003, 12:48 PM

Mudge, If lethargy is too much, you may want to try out methyldienolone. Sldg has the powder for $14 a gram. I should be trying some out next week, I too had extreme lethargy, it hit me about day 2, and kicked my ass from there on out.

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 12:51 PM

I am trying very hard to ignore the green meanies I have at home my brother

I'm going to try and last at least 2 weeks since this is how everyone else is generally cycling it.

prolangtum · 12-31-2003, 12:55 PM

Ah sweet anadrol. That is my favorite oral. Dbol, winny, nah. Gimme drol. I do not bloat up very badly, strength is insane. But I do have to usually take mine at night, it kills my appetite.

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 12:58 PM

Yessir, the allmighty drol.

Twin Peak · 12-31-2003, 01:01 PM

Hmmmm.

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Hmmmm.

So says you!

Twin Peak · 12-31-2003, 01:17 PM

Eh? What was it you think my "Hmmm" meant?

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 01:34 PM

I really have no idea, it was a "hmmm" and not "hmmph..."

Twin Peak · 12-31-2003, 01:34 PM

Exactly. But you responded as if it was the latter.

**Mudge** · 12-31-2003, 01:37 PM

It was my confusing nonsensible reply to what I felt was the same

(confusing) With my magic 8 ball out of commision, I dont always read people, so sometimes I am left clueless.

12-30-2003, 12:37 AM	#1
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Legal Gear brand M1T Not much to report, but since I said I would report I will keep this first post of the thread updated as need be. Only been 6 days so far, with a spot I may have been able to increase my bench a single rep but I really dont know. With some "other stuff" I can increase it a rep easily on my own, so its certainly not the best stuff I've tried but it is cheaper for sure. 20mg ED, I am going to move to 30mg ED after this 6th day of virtually no results. Weight remains unchanged at 230 pounds even (without a dietary change weight gain only comes from increased nitrogen retention). No more milk in the diet as of yesterday, so I have to increase carbs from other sources (pasta baby). No side effects at all, no lethargy. Dont know if its my bodyweight or what but legal supplements have a history of doing nothing for me except a few (Ephedrine/Ultimate Orange, Ginkgo Biloba, the original Hot Stuff, heck thats all I can remember). 12-24 Day 1 @ 20mg 12-29 Flat bench 295x8 (366 estimated). * No sides * No weight increase * Strength increase? Nothing on paper if at all * Measurements the same 12-30 Day 1 @ 30mg (day 7 overall) 12-31 - I want to go home and SLEEP, seems like lethargy is here for the last couple days. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu Last edited by dg806 : 12-31-2003 at 01:48 PM.

12-30-2003, 12:52 AM	#2
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	Damn. Maybe having cycled before with stronger / more potent compounds keep you from seeing gains with M 1-T? These are my favorite faces : - - - Personal Bests: Bench - 235 Deadlift - 315 X 17 Squat - 315 X 11 40 yrd. - 4.65

12-30-2003, 12:59 AM	#3
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Before I touched anything "special," 1-Test did nothing for me. Creatine, nothing. Swole V2, nothing. I'm not a super heavyweight or anything but I'm not 160 pounds either, so that is the only thing I can really think of. Its possible that this stuff would work well but just not as well as what I came off of, I would not be supprised if that were the case. I have found one person running this stuff @ 40mg ED. Even when I was younger, I had to run the Hot Stuff a bit on the high side to get much out of it, but it DID work. With Ultimate Orange I ran about 1.5x standard dose because of my weight (they had a scale to go off of). Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-30-2003, 01:53 AM	#4
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	Wow Mudge, I kinda feel bad for you for once.. hah These are my favorite faces : - - - Personal Bests: Bench - 235 Deadlift - 315 X 17 Squat - 315 X 11 40 yrd. - 4.65

12-30-2003, 09:11 AM	#7
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	I will go ahead with 30mg, and I try to keep in mind that even dbol doesn't start being felt for most until 4/5 days. I'm also the guy who never felt anything from ephedra but the mildest of effects, ephedrine though - loved it. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-30-2003, 05:38 AM	#5
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,586	Well the good news is you don't have any sides.... I felt the effects within a few days. Strength gain however really kicked in the second week. I did 20 mg ED first week, 30 mg ED second. I gotta believe though Mudge that an experienced gear user, especially one coming off a cycle, is not going to see the type of gains us who are relatively new to androgens would. I will be surprised if you don't notice anything after another week at 30 mg.

12-30-2003, 09:17 AM	#8
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	I feel nothing from Ephedrine, unless doses are through the roof. www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

12-30-2003, 09:25 AM	#9
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Even 25mg does something for me, but 50mg is pretty nice. Ultimate Orange ultimately though worked better even though 25mg is part of the standard dose, dont even remember what else was in there. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-30-2003, 09:32 AM	#10
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	I usually have to down 75-100mgs of ephedrine for a Pre WO stimulant affect. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-30-2003, 09:33 AM	#11
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	I used just enough to remove any tiredness type feeling, since at the time I was using it I had to go to the gym freaking after midnight. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-30-2003, 05:38 PM	#13
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	Whats your thoughts on that post Mudge? P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

12-30-2003, 05:58 PM	#14
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	Stuff hits people in all sorta different ways. Side effects, results, etc. Figureing out how you will do on PH's or gear aint an exact science. Im not sayin it aint harsh on the liver. M1t is pretty much a 17aa steroid(meaning very liver harsh), but it hasnt killed everyone who has taken it. This poor guy just isnt lucky.

12-30-2003, 06:41 PM	#16
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	George Burns was a bad ass. Always had a drink in one hand and a cigar in the other. Those are some good genes right there. I want to get a blood test just to see my Blood Pressure and Colesterol levels. I dont even know my blood type P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

12-31-2003, 04:50 AM	#18
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,586	If he really believes it was the M1T, then I hope he posts this and a follow up on several of the prohormone boards. I feel for the guy, that's awful. I bet it was something pre-existing and the M1T may have caused it to accelerate. There is a guy on AM that works in a lab and can do his own blood work. He is currently doing a M1T cycle of 20 mg ED and 6-7 days in his liver enyzmes are just slightly elevated. http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12132

12-31-2003, 09:13 AM	#19
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Exactly, we have seen people test with heavy anadrol cycles and they are slightly above normal. I say genetic predisposition, which really sucks for the guy. Even if he were drinking like a maniac 4 weeks is not going to take down many people at all. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-31-2003, 12:24 PM	#20
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Well I can't edit my post at the top, bummer. 12-31 - I want to go home and SLEEP, seems like lethargy is here for the last couple days. About 25 hours post arm-workout I have a solid 1/8th inch increase. If this increases the same next week then thats not too shabby. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu Last edited by Mudge : 12-31-2003 at 10:39 PM.

12-31-2003, 12:48 PM	#21
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	Mudge, If lethargy is too much, you may want to try out methyldienolone. Sldg has the powder for $14 a gram. I should be trying some out next week, I too had extreme lethargy, it hit me about day 2, and kicked my ass from there on out. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-31-2003, 12:51 PM	#22
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	I am trying very hard to ignore the green meanies I have at home my brother I'm going to try and last at least 2 weeks since this is how everyone else is generally cycling it. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-31-2003, 12:55 PM	#23
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	Ah sweet anadrol. That is my favorite oral. Dbol, winny, nah. Gimme drol. I do not bloat up very badly, strength is insane. But I do have to usually take mine at night, it kills my appetite. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

12-31-2003, 12:58 PM	#24
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Yessir, the allmighty drol. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-31-2003, 01:01 PM	#25
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Hmmmm. www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

12-31-2003, 01:17 PM	#27
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,870	Eh? What was it you think my "Hmmm" meant? www.DesignerSupps.com INTELLIGENT DESIGN™...lands on 1/1/2007 www.intelligentdesignmag.com

12-31-2003, 01:34 PM	#28
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	I really have no idea, it was a "hmmm" and not "hmmph..." Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

12-31-2003, 01:37 PM	#30
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	It was my confusing nonsensible reply to what I felt was the same (confusing) With my magic 8 ball out of commision, I dont always read people, so sometimes I am left clueless. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

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