Has anyone used IN-Rage beta from Avant

Var · 12-31-2003, 03:51 PM

Saw it on 1fast. Doesnt give a lot of info, but says its intranasal and used as preworkout stimulant. Anyone tried it???

Dante B. · 01-01-2004, 03:41 PM

We no longer sell it, and for that reason (FDA incident), we don't have the feedback pages up.

However, some feedback can be found on our board--with a search--as well as BB.com.

Var · 01-02-2004, 12:36 PM

Thanks for the info Dante! I actually searched Avants forum before posting here, but didnt come up with anything. Must have done something wrong...I'll try again. Thanks!

XtremeFormula · 01-02-2004, 01:09 PM

it's a very cool product to say the least

Var · 01-02-2004, 01:30 PM

Very hard to find info on products once they're discontinued, huh? Searched bb.com and avant...found some info, but I don't like to buy (or take) something without a lot of knowledge first. The search continues...

tomas101 · 01-02-2004, 01:40 PM

damn how many times is avant gonna make a product to then have it discontinued only a little bit later down the road....must piss you guys off

Var · 01-02-2004, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tomas101
damn how many times is avant gonna make a product to then have it discontinued only a little bit later down the road....must piss you guys off

Looks like it was discontinued for the same reasons as their other transdermal products (ONE, ONE+). I believe the FDA had a problem with the delivery method. Not sure why they targeted Avant. IMO, their products are top notch.

Dante B. · 01-02-2004, 02:33 PM

It's vexing, to say the least

When I think about it long and deep enough, it makes me want to explode. But, I channel that energy into other, more productive outlets.

Our FL7 fell, for similar but different reasons.

As for information, that is something I can part with, however

It was a nasal 5AA-dione psychotropic. DHT (which 5AA is a precursor to) has a marked effect on the nervous system---as do steroid hormones in general----in terms of neuromuscular strength and psychological disposition.

Now, for that very reason, results were expectedly mixed. Even with testosterone and other typically used androgens, the psychological effects never strike the same person in the same manner.

When you're using androgens for muscular gains, if you don't "feel it," that doesn't mean that you won't stand to reap the benefits; say, much like ephedrine and thermogenesis.

But, unlike using androgens for muscular gains, if you're using them for short-term boosts in strength and focus, if you don't "feel it," it failed to work, in that regard.

That said, there was very little middle ground. People either loved it, or they hated it. For those who loved it, they noticed a sense of well-being, as well as an increased ability to concentrate. Applied to weightlifting, this led to short-term increases in strength. For those who hated it, they simply failed to notice anything.

Even though we no longer make it, I'd love to tell you, "Yeah man, it's the shit!!!," as it was our product. Honestly, however, I can't tell you beforehand if you're going to enjoy it, or not.

If you think the potential benefits are worth the investment---knowing that it may not work---then it's fairly inexpensive now. If you're doing well in general with whatever substances that you may be using, you then may wish to pass.

Here's a good article:

http://musclemonthly.com/articles/00...-androgens.htm

There's also a Mind & Muscle article by Dazed that explains how to complex androgen powers (licit or illicit) with cylcodextrins for nasal or sublingual use---if that's what floats your fancy

Var · 01-02-2004, 03:07 PM

Thanks for the info! Its so cheap now that I dont mind taking the chance on it financially. I read a post about side effects with this product due to DHT and will have to read up on that. Did u hear much negative feedback related to sides?
Thanks again!

prolangtum · 01-02-2004, 03:20 PM

no real sides, you do develop a tolerance to it if used daily, I would use it only on your 2-3 hardest workouts per week. It is quite a different stimulant compared to some sort of EC stack. Much more intense focus.

Var · 01-02-2004, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by prolangtum
no real sides, you do develop a tolerance to it if used daily, I would use it only on your 2-3 hardest workouts per week. It is quite a different stimulant compared to some sort of EC stack. Much more intense focus.

Just found one of your posts about it over on AM and was gonna PM you. Thanks for the info

12-31-2003, 03:51 PM	#1
Var Filthy Animal Join Date: May 2002 Location: Finally back in New England!! Posts: 5,438	Has anyone used IN-Rage beta from Avant Saw it on 1fast. Doesnt give a lot of info, but says its intranasal and used as preworkout stimulant. Anyone tried it???

01-01-2004, 03:41 PM	#2
Dante B. Non Compost Mentis Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix Posts: 598 Photos: 8	We no longer sell it, and for that reason (FDA incident), we don't have the feedback pages up. However, some feedback can be found on our board--with a search--as well as BB.com. Not to see many things, not to hear many things, not to permit many things to come close - first imperative of prudence, first proof that one is no mere accident but a necessity. Friedrich Nietzsche - Ecce Homo

01-02-2004, 02:33 PM	#8
Dante B. Non Compost Mentis Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix Posts: 598 Photos: 8	It's vexing, to say the least When I think about it long and deep enough, it makes me want to explode. But, I channel that energy into other, more productive outlets. Our FL7 fell, for similar but different reasons. As for information, that is something I can part with, however It was a nasal 5AA-dione psychotropic. DHT (which 5AA is a precursor to) has a marked effect on the nervous system---as do steroid hormones in general----in terms of neuromuscular strength and psychological disposition. Now, for that very reason, results were expectedly mixed. Even with testosterone and other typically used androgens, the psychological effects never strike the same person in the same manner. When you're using androgens for muscular gains, if you don't "feel it," that doesn't mean that you won't stand to reap the benefits; say, much like ephedrine and thermogenesis. But, unlike using androgens for muscular gains, if you're using them for short-term boosts in strength and focus, if you don't "feel it," it failed to work, in that regard. That said, there was very little middle ground. People either loved it, or they hated it. For those who loved it, they noticed a sense of well-being, as well as an increased ability to concentrate. Applied to weightlifting, this led to short-term increases in strength. For those who hated it, they simply failed to notice anything. Even though we no longer make it, I'd love to tell you, "Yeah man, it's the shit!!!," as it was our product. Honestly, however, I can't tell you beforehand if you're going to enjoy it, or not. If you think the potential benefits are worth the investment---knowing that it may not work---then it's fairly inexpensive now. If you're doing well in general with whatever substances that you may be using, you then may wish to pass. Here's a good article: http://musclemonthly.com/articles/00...-androgens.htm There's also a Mind & Muscle article by Dazed that explains how to complex androgen powers (licit or illicit) with cylcodextrins for nasal or sublingual use---if that's what floats your fancy Not to see many things, not to hear many things, not to permit many things to come close - first imperative of prudence, first proof that one is no mere accident but a necessity. Friedrich Nietzsche - Ecce Homo Last edited by Dante B. : 01-02-2004 at 02:46 PM.

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01-02-2004, 12:36 PM	#3
Var Filthy Animal Join Date: May 2002 Location: Finally back in New England!! Posts: 5,438	Thanks for the info Dante! I actually searched Avants forum before posting here, but didnt come up with anything. Must have done something wrong...I'll try again. Thanks!

01-02-2004, 01:09 PM	#4
XtremeFormula Registered User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 55	it's a very cool product to say the least

01-02-2004, 01:30 PM	#5
Var Filthy Animal Join Date: May 2002 Location: Finally back in New England!! Posts: 5,438	Very hard to find info on products once they're discontinued, huh? Searched bb.com and avant...found some info, but I don't like to buy (or take) something without a lot of knowledge first. The search continues...

01-02-2004, 01:40 PM	#6
tomas101 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 602	damn how many times is avant gonna make a product to then have it discontinued only a little bit later down the road....must piss you guys off

01-02-2004, 03:07 PM	#9
Var Filthy Animal Join Date: May 2002 Location: Finally back in New England!! Posts: 5,438	Thanks for the info! Its so cheap now that I dont mind taking the chance on it financially. I read a post about side effects with this product due to DHT and will have to read up on that. Did u hear much negative feedback related to sides? Thanks again!