M1t????

spartan · 01-01-2004, 09:36 AM

This question id directed toward Mudge or Dante, what is the deal with M1T??. Do you think that it is a worthy PH??. I have heard through the grapevine that they are thinking about banning it in the States???. Any insight into this would be great. SPARTAN

prolangtum · 01-01-2004, 10:55 AM

Its not just M 1T they are thinking about banning, it is all PH and PS. Is it overhped? Yes a bit. But, it is a legal steroid, it is just as affective as a dbol, or winstrol would be, and probaly more so mg for mg.

**Prince** · 01-01-2004, 12:47 PM

here is a little write up from www.bulknutrition.com

Methyl 1-testosterone, or 17aa-1-testosterone, is the methylated version of the steroid 1-testosterone. This structural modification makes steroids much more orally bioavailable by inhibiting breakdown in the liver. Although it has only been widely available for a short period of time, feedback on this compound indicates that it may be the most effective legal prohormone/steroid product on the market regardless of delivery method, and it is hands down the most effective oral product. On the other hand, most users report a wealth of side effects, and this compound is not to be taken lightly. It does not have a long history of use or a well-established safety profile, and proper precautions should be taken.

The profile of methyl 1-test is similar to that of 1-test – it does not convert to estrogen, and it is highly anabolic and moderately androgenic (less than 1-test). When compared to orally administered methyltestosterone, methyl 1-test is 910-1600% as anabolic and 100-220% as androgenic.

The side effects reported by users of methyl 1-test are many and individual reactions vary considerably. The most commonly reported side effect is lethargy, which can range from mild to severe. Other common side effects include increased blood pressure, bloating, joint pains, cramps, mild headaches, insomnia, aggressiveness, and irritability. Many users also find that methyl 1-test decreases appetite, which can be harmful or beneficial depending on one's goals. These side effects can be reduced by lowering dosage or taking smaller doses more frequently. Combining it with another androgen (such as 4-AD) may also help, but feedback on this is limited.

Another concern with methyl 1-test (and methylated steroids in general) is hepatotoxicity. Although this tends to be exaggerated, it is still prudent to take certain precautions. First and foremost, other substances that are toxic to the liver (such as alcohol) should be avoided to avoid placing extra stress on the liver. If methyl 1-test is stacked, it would be best to stack it with something other than an oral steroid/prohormone, such as a transdermal. Milk thistle, alpha lipoic acid, and N-acetyl-cysteine are commonly recommended to help protect the liver. For further information on 17aa steroids and hepatotoxicity, see the following article:

Hepatotoxicity: Fact or Fiction, by Roy Harper

When taking methyl 1-test, it is best to start out with at least a week at a dose of 5-10 mg to see how one reacts. Many users find this range to be effective, while others feel the ideal amount is 20-40 mg. It comes down to the experience, goals, and individual reaction. Many find a lower dose to be just as effective as a higher one, but with less side effects. With a compound such as this, it is generally best to err on the side of caution, especially for those that are less experienced with steroids. Most seem to find their ideal dose to be in the 10-30 mg range. Cycle length should be kept short, in the range of 1-4 weeks. Finally, it is especially important to take adequate time off after each cycle with this substance to allow the body to recover.

Dante B. · 01-01-2004, 04:00 PM

What Prolangtum said, except for the mg for mg comparison.

People are stating this based on the A/A ratio, which is a totally fallacious application when speaking of the human use of anabolic substances.

Overall, however, it is a potent substance---setting aside the ridiculous claims, and oft-moronic feedback.

As for the Hepatoxicity: Fact or Fiction article, here it is:

http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php...ID=8&pageID=84

BTW: Speaking of regulation, that issue of the magazine contains the worst article that I had ever written. It's a personal fucking embarrassment. But nevertheless, there are some decent points regarding the government, the citizen, and regulation.

**Mudge** · 01-01-2004, 04:19 PM

Bravo.

spartan · 01-01-2004, 07:32 PM

thanxs for the input fellas!

prolangtum · 01-01-2004, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dante B.
What Prolangtum said, except for the mg for mg comparison.

I dare say I would take my chances on 10mgs of M 1T for gains over either 10mgs of dbol or winny. Thats what I was refering to, Im not going to beat you down with the Vida comparison, because frankly, I dont know the A/A ratios of all three.

**Mudge** · 01-01-2004, 09:05 PM

Does anyone even really know? Even dbol hits people differently with water/strength/size, so does anadrol.

I just look at mg to mg somewhat when people try to argue that its 50 billion times more anabolic than, and when you can only use so much anyway its a bit of a stupid argument to even make.

Are we really going to have people putting on 70 pounds of muscle in 4 weeks? I doubt it, and if they did, it would be morbidly stupid.

prolangtum · 01-01-2004, 09:07 PM

Oh, and dont get me wrong Dante, I totally agree with you. People are acting like the Vida A/A ratios are the be all end all. While they have their use to decide if a compound is even worth playing around with, Tren has a better A/A ratio than Test, and as much as I love Tren, no one will ever convince me 500mgs a week of Tren is better than 500mgs a week of Test.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-01-2004, 09:11 PM

I got good results from the stuff, but I have never dabbled in the illegal substances. I have had people who know nothing about lifting and supps/gear and people who are well versed in it comment to me that I am huge, most of whom swore I was on illegal gear. I worked out with my ex workout partner up in Vermont over xmas and he was highly surprised at how much weight I put up in comparison to what I used to put up. I must say that I got great results from it, but I also swore off alcohol and dialed everythig in during that 3 week period. I would say it is a great supp, but in regard to it's comparison to gear I would have no idea.

**Mudge** · 01-01-2004, 09:15 PM

Come on man, the layman thinks everyone who lifts even modestly is "huge and stacked"

nacnac972 · 01-01-2004, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Come on man, the layman thinks everyone who lifts even modestly is "huge and stacked"

LOL oh so true!!

**Dale Mabry** · 01-01-2004, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Come on man, the layman thinks everyone who lifts even modestly is "huge and stacked"

I am talking in comparison to when I was up in Vt in Septmeber, honky.

**Mudge** · 01-01-2004, 10:55 PM

I'm bigger than the average person but I dont consider myself huge, so its definitely perspective. My friend who is shorter than I am and weighs a few more pounds (Santa Clause physique) says I'm "jacked"

When I hit 280-290 I'll be "jacked"

Power Rabbit · 01-01-2004, 11:04 PM

I definately wanna hit something aound that...im hopeing i can get out of my dam 180 -200 rut finally with my first ph stack...

**Dale Mabry** · 01-01-2004, 11:46 PM

Ahhh, now I get where you are coming from. What I meant to say was that they said I was huge COMPARED to the last time they saw me. I definitely don't really feel all that huge, but I do feel really strong, but I guess that is all relative too.

**Mudge** · 01-02-2004, 01:03 AM

I know what you are saying, even at my height ~20 pounds showed up on me enough to freak people out at work.

I know you are strong, and yes its still relative. I feel so-so, yet benching about 370 I am probably twice as strong as the average white Joe on the street.

bamaguy · 02-11-2004, 12:31 AM

can anyone tell me about there experience with "shrinkage" when taking M1-T? thanx

iMan323 · 02-11-2004, 12:43 AM

I would much like to be educated on that subject too..

jimmyboy · 02-11-2004, 12:19 PM

I got shrinkage on Syngex 1, so yes, it is a definate possibility.

**Prince** · 02-11-2004, 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iMan323
I would much like to be educated on that subject too..

Prohormone FAQ - Everything You Need to Know! (Prohormone / Prosteroid FAQ - Everything You Need to Know!)

**dg806** · 02-11-2004, 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge

I feel so-so, yet benching about 370 I am probably twice as strong as the average white Joe on the street.

How many times??

**dg806** · 02-11-2004, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bamaguy
can anyone tell me about there experience with "shrinkage" when taking M1-T? thanx

Any PH or PS that you take will suppress natural test levels and there is a need for PC treatment to elevate natural test back to normal levels. If your natural levels stay low for an extended period of time, you can loose LBM.

iMan323 · 02-11-2004, 08:20 PM

Prince, thanks homes!

bamaguy · 02-12-2004, 03:47 PM

if im only doing two week cycles of M1-t, how long should the post cycle of 6OXO be? should it be the entire 4 weeks like as said in the "Prohormone FAQ - Everything You Need to Know!" section, or should it be shorter, and if so what doses? Or should i take something entirely different?
thank you, you guys have been a big help so far.

01-01-2004, 09:36 AM	#1
spartan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In training Posts: 172 Photos: 1	M1t???? This question id directed toward Mudge or Dante, what is the deal with M1T??. Do you think that it is a worthy PH??. I have heard through the grapevine that they are thinking about banning it in the States???. Any insight into this would be great. SPARTAN

01-01-2004, 10:55 AM	#2
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	Its not just M 1T they are thinking about banning, it is all PH and PS. Is it overhped? Yes a bit. But, it is a legal steroid, it is just as affective as a dbol, or winstrol would be, and probaly more so mg for mg. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

01-01-2004, 12:47 PM	#3
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,416 Photos: 356	here is a little write up from www.bulknutrition.com Methyl 1-testosterone, or 17aa-1-testosterone, is the methylated version of the steroid 1-testosterone. This structural modification makes steroids much more orally bioavailable by inhibiting breakdown in the liver. Although it has only been widely available for a short period of time, feedback on this compound indicates that it may be the most effective legal prohormone/steroid product on the market regardless of delivery method, and it is hands down the most effective oral product. On the other hand, most users report a wealth of side effects, and this compound is not to be taken lightly. It does not have a long history of use or a well-established safety profile, and proper precautions should be taken. The profile of methyl 1-test is similar to that of 1-test – it does not convert to estrogen, and it is highly anabolic and moderately androgenic (less than 1-test). When compared to orally administered methyltestosterone, methyl 1-test is 910-1600% as anabolic and 100-220% as androgenic. The side effects reported by users of methyl 1-test are many and individual reactions vary considerably. The most commonly reported side effect is lethargy, which can range from mild to severe. Other common side effects include increased blood pressure, bloating, joint pains, cramps, mild headaches, insomnia, aggressiveness, and irritability. Many users also find that methyl 1-test decreases appetite, which can be harmful or beneficial depending on one's goals. These side effects can be reduced by lowering dosage or taking smaller doses more frequently. Combining it with another androgen (such as 4-AD) may also help, but feedback on this is limited. Another concern with methyl 1-test (and methylated steroids in general) is hepatotoxicity. Although this tends to be exaggerated, it is still prudent to take certain precautions. First and foremost, other substances that are toxic to the liver (such as alcohol) should be avoided to avoid placing extra stress on the liver. If methyl 1-test is stacked, it would be best to stack it with something other than an oral steroid/prohormone, such as a transdermal. Milk thistle, alpha lipoic acid, and N-acetyl-cysteine are commonly recommended to help protect the liver. For further information on 17aa steroids and hepatotoxicity, see the following article: Hepatotoxicity: Fact or Fiction, by Roy Harper When taking methyl 1-test, it is best to start out with at least a week at a dose of 5-10 mg to see how one reacts. Many users find this range to be effective, while others feel the ideal amount is 20-40 mg. It comes down to the experience, goals, and individual reaction. Many find a lower dose to be just as effective as a higher one, but with less side effects. With a compound such as this, it is generally best to err on the side of caution, especially for those that are less experienced with steroids. Most seem to find their ideal dose to be in the 10-30 mg range. Cycle length should be kept short, in the range of 1-4 weeks. Finally, it is especially important to take adequate time off after each cycle with this substance to allow the body to recover. BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore IronMagLabs.com - Bodybuilding Nutrition AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders & Supplements CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding & Training Blog Maximizer.com - Maximum Strength for Maximum Performance MikeGetsRipped.com - The Original 'Get Ripped' Blog ProteinRoutine.com - Experiments in Healthy Living Follow on Twitter Join Facebook Group Befriend on Myspace

01-01-2004, 04:00 PM	#4
Dante B. Non Compost Mentis Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Phoenix Posts: 598 Photos: 8	What Prolangtum said, except for the mg for mg comparison. People are stating this based on the A/A ratio, which is a totally fallacious application when speaking of the human use of anabolic substances. Overall, however, it is a potent substance---setting aside the ridiculous claims, and oft-moronic feedback. As for the Hepatoxicity: Fact or Fiction article, here it is: http://www.avantlabs.com/magmain.php...ID=8&pageID=84 BTW: Speaking of regulation, that issue of the magazine contains the worst article that I had ever written. It's a personal fucking embarrassment. But nevertheless, there are some decent points regarding the government, the citizen, and regulation. Not to see many things, not to hear many things, not to permit many things to come close - first imperative of prudence, first proof that one is no mere accident but a necessity. Friedrich Nietzsche - Ecce Homo

01-01-2004, 04:19 PM	#5
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Bravo. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

01-01-2004, 07:32 PM	#6
spartan Registered User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In training Posts: 172 Photos: 1	thanxs for the input fellas! Hell Week is only 6 months away.

01-01-2004, 09:05 PM	#8
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Does anyone even really know? Even dbol hits people differently with water/strength/size, so does anadrol. I just look at mg to mg somewhat when people try to argue that its 50 billion times more anabolic than, and when you can only use so much anyway its a bit of a stupid argument to even make. Are we really going to have people putting on 70 pounds of muscle in 4 weeks? I doubt it, and if they did, it would be morbidly stupid. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

01-01-2004, 09:07 PM	#9
prolangtum Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 353	Oh, and dont get me wrong Dante, I totally agree with you. People are acting like the Vida A/A ratios are the be all end all. While they have their use to decide if a compound is even worth playing around with, Tren has a better A/A ratio than Test, and as much as I love Tren, no one will ever convince me 500mgs a week of Tren is better than 500mgs a week of Test. Mod @ Bulknutrition Forums Mod @ superiormuscle.com Mod @ steroidsupport.com Designersupps.com Bulknutrition.com Blackstarlabs.com

01-01-2004, 09:11 PM	#10
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	I got good results from the stuff, but I have never dabbled in the illegal substances. I have had people who know nothing about lifting and supps/gear and people who are well versed in it comment to me that I am huge, most of whom swore I was on illegal gear. I worked out with my ex workout partner up in Vermont over xmas and he was highly surprised at how much weight I put up in comparison to what I used to put up. I must say that I got great results from it, but I also swore off alcohol and dialed everythig in during that 3 week period. I would say it is a great supp, but in regard to it's comparison to gear I would have no idea. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

01-01-2004, 09:15 PM	#11
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Come on man, the layman thinks everyone who lifts even modestly is "huge and stacked" Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

01-01-2004, 10:55 PM	#14
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	I'm bigger than the average person but I dont consider myself huge, so its definitely perspective. My friend who is shorter than I am and weighs a few more pounds (Santa Clause physique) says I'm "jacked" When I hit 280-290 I'll be "jacked" Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

01-01-2004, 11:04 PM	#15
Power Rabbit The Bunny Is Bulking! Elite Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,027 Photos: 3	I definately wanna hit something aound that...im hopeing i can get out of my dam 180 -200 rut finally with my first ph stack...

01-01-2004, 11:46 PM	#16
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 14,335 Photos: 10	Ahhh, now I get where you are coming from. What I meant to say was that they said I was huge COMPARED to the last time they saw me. I definitely don't really feel all that huge, but I do feel really strong, but I guess that is all relative too. If sense were common, everyone would have it. 4/2007-Current 75th Ranked most popular image 1 spot behind Prince's bulge...

01-02-2004, 01:03 AM	#17
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	I know what you are saying, even at my height ~20 pounds showed up on me enough to freak people out at work. I know you are strong, and yes its still relative. I feel so-so, yet benching about 370 I am probably twice as strong as the average white Joe on the street. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

02-11-2004, 12:31 AM	#18
bamaguy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: alabama Posts: 2	side effects can anyone tell me about there experience with "shrinkage" when taking M1-T? thanx

02-11-2004, 12:43 AM	#19
iMan323 Preved Medved! Elite Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 947	I would much like to be educated on that subject too..

02-11-2004, 12:19 PM	#20
jimmyboy Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 77	I got shrinkage on Syngex 1, so yes, it is a definate possibility.

02-11-2004, 08:20 PM	#24
iMan323 Preved Medved! Elite Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 947	Prince, thanks homes!

02-12-2004, 03:47 PM	#25
bamaguy Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: alabama Posts: 2	if im only doing two week cycles of M1-t, how long should the post cycle of 6OXO be? should it be the entire 4 weeks like as said in the "Prohormone FAQ - Everything You Need to Know!" section, or should it be shorter, and if so what doses? Or should i take something entirely different? thank you, you guys have been a big help so far.

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