TP's M1T Cycles, and other junk

**Twin Peak** · 01-05-2004, 11:40 AM

I thought I'd take the time to document my mini-cycle experimentation. This is my continued comeback from shoulder surgery, so exercises and weights are severely limited. I am 18 weeks post-op, and have lost about 5-10 pounds of muscle. This is a supplement review log, so while I will post my nutrition and training protocols, they are to put my supplementation and progress (or lack thereof) in context. Please, no training or diet questions unless they directly relate to my supplement protocol (i.e. why are you training each BP twice while on, but once while off, is fine, but why are you doing XXXX for back, is not).

So we begin:

SUPPLEMENTATION

Two Weeks: M1T 30 mg daily; 3 grams of 4-OHT added to FL7 (12 squirts daily); 25 mcg T3; 4000 kcals+; training protocol A

Other supps:
- Vendetta, and Go pre-workout; as well as E/C/Y
- Kreatine Ultra and GO during WO
- 50g Whey and 25g dextrose post-wrokout
- 10-15g fish oil
- milk thistle and NAC (and other liver support crap)
- transdermal ALA
- ALCAR, L-Carnosine, MSM, Glucosamine, Chonsdrotin

>>>>Two Weeks Off *** at 3500 kcals

Two Weeks: M1T 30 mg daily, SO+ 12 squirts am only, 3 grams of 4-OHT added to FL7 (12 squirts daily); 25 mcg T3; 4000 kcals+; training protocol A

Other supps:
- Vendetta, and Go pre-workout; as well as E/C/Y
- Kreatine Ultra and GO during WO
- 50g Whey and 25g dextrose post-wrokout
- 10-15g fish oil
- milk thistle and NAC (and other liver support crap)
- transdermal ALA
- ALCAR, L-Carnosine, MSM, Glucosamine, Chonsdrotin

[b]>>>>Two Weeks Off *** at 3500 kcals plus 25 mcg T3/b]

Two Weeks: M1T 40 mg daily, 1 gram boldione, 3 grams of 4-OHT added to FL7 (12 squirts daily); 50 mcg T3; training protocol A; 2500-3000 kcals

Other supps:
- Vendetta, and Go pre-workout; as well as E/C/Y
- Kreatine Ultra and GO during WO
- 50g Whey and 25g dextrose post-wrokout
- 10-15g fish oil
- milk thistle and NAC (and other liver support crap)
- transdermal ALA
- ALCAR, L-Carnosine, MSM, Glucosamine, Chonsdrotin
- E/C/Y
- MM4
- LipoDerm Ultra

>>>>Four Weeks Off at 2500-3000 kcals

***Each OFF period will consist of:

6-oxo added to FL7; training protocol B

Other supps:
- ICE, and GO pre-workout; as well as E/C/Y
- Kreatine Ultra and GO during WO
- 50g Whey post-wrokout
- 10-15g fish oil
- milk thistle and NAC (and other liver support crap)
- transdermal ALA
- ALCAR, L-Carnosine, MSM, Glucosamine, Chonsdrotin
- Guggul
- sytenhance with 3 alpha (or 1-test) on the upper arms and shoulders

DIET

The caloric intake listed above will be a daily average. I will be cycling my carbs muck like listed in my second article, but not as stringent (given the androgen usage). Goals will be High Carb days on most training days, as well as Saturday. I will try to squeeze in one No Carb day a week. In addition to the standard fare, I will be eating a lot of:
- skim milk and fiber one
- oatmeal, whey, and peanut butter
- nuts
- steak
- pasta, especially ww pasta
- ww bagels, breads, etc.
- various "low carb" versions of foods (milk, pasta, bread, bagels)
- anything high fiber

Once the third mini-cycle hits, this will likley be a mini-cut (depending on fat gain, if any). Diet will be tighter and I will be doing something akin to the Basic Carb Cycle.

TRAINING PROTOCOL A

Monday -- Back, Chest, Tris, Cuff Work
Tuesday -- Quads, Bis
Wednesday -- Shoulders, Calves, Hams, Traps, Rear Delts
Thursday -- Back, Chest, Tris, Cuff Work
Friday -- Quads, Bis

TRAINING PROTOCOL B

Monday -- Chest, Shoulders
Tuesday -- Back, Cuff Work
Wednesday -- Quads,
Thursday -- Bis and Hams
Friday -- Tris and Calves

EXERCISES AND SETS

Back
- Close Grip Pulldowns 4
- Wide grip pulldowns 3
- T-Bar Rows 3
- Lat Pulls 2

Chest
- Pushups 3 x 10
- Bench Press (2/3 ROM) 3
- Incline DBs (light) 2
- Hammer Strength Decline 3
- Pec Dec (light, full ROM) 2

Tris
- V-bar Press (heavy) 3
- Noisebreakers 3
- One Arm Reverse Cable Presses 3
- One Arm cable kickbacks 2

Bis
- Straight Bar 3
- Seated DB 2
- Machine Preacher 2
- Hammer Curls, Cable 3

Quads
- Extensions 3
- 1 Leg Presses 3
- Squats 3
- Machine Squats 3

**Twin Peak** · 01-05-2004, 11:43 AM

Day 1 Stats:

BW: 203
Waist: 37.5 (I think about an inch of this is bloat and water retention from all the salt I had this weekend)
Right Arm: 16.25
Left Arm: 17
Chest Fat: 12 mm
Ab Fat: 17 mm
Quad Fat: 12 mm

Est. BF%: 12.5%
LBM: 177.6
Fat: 25.4

**Twin Peak** · 01-05-2004, 11:53 AM

Today: A "typical" 4000 kcalorie Mass Day

Numbers in (parens) are estimated calories.

5:30 -- 1 scoop of Vendetta, 1 serving GO (shit, I forgot my E/C/Y) (160)
>>>Lift >>> 1 serving GO, 1 serving Kreatine Ultra
7:30 -- 50 grams whey, 25 grams dextrose, 10 grams creatine monohydrate (thrown in as I have leftover) (330)
9:30 -- large ww bagel, little cream cheese, banana, 3 hard boiled eggs (650)
(the ww bagel is not "typical" and the carb source may be fiber one, oatmeal, grape nuts, or ww bread)

12:30pm Lunch: today was 4 slices of atkins bread and 2 cans o'tuna, and an apple (plus 6 grams fish oil). This will be fairly standard lunch fair, and may instead be chicken on ww bread or brown rice, tuna and whole wheat pasta, etc. You get the idea.

4pm Piece of fruit, and protein of some sort.

6:30-8pm Dinner (this will vary from night to night, depending on....drum roll... what's for dinner! Essentially, it will be a high protein, moderate carbohydrate, and moderate to low fat meal around 1000 calories. If I overdo it, I will end up skipping my nighttime snack. I'll eat thinks like homemade Chicken Pot Pie (tonight), chicken and brown rice or Yams, fish and cous cous, turkey I'll also be downing about 8-10 grams of fish oil).

9:30 pm Night time snack will be mostly protein and fats and around 500 calories. Casien and peanut butter, or beef jerky, or a large egg and cheese omlette, will be standard fare.

Just to get some idea of food, as I really eat this much, I started up fitday. Here you can see exactly what I eat as I log it. We'll see how long this lasts.

http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJ...wner=Twin+Peak

**tomas101** · 01-05-2004, 12:37 PM

shit thats kinda cool...i think i may start a log like that

**Prince** · 01-05-2004, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by tomas101
...i think i may start a log like that

if you do, please put it HERE

**Twin Peak** · 01-05-2004, 12:42 PM

Glad you like it. I hope its informative, if nothing else.

**Twin Peak** · 01-05-2004, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by Prince
if you do, please put it HERE

You can move it if you like, but as I said above, this is a supplement (primarily M1T) review thread -- with context thrown in.

**Prince** · 01-05-2004, 12:45 PM

No, it's fine here since the focus is supplements...I just did not want a bunch of people starting logs in various forums.

**Twin Peak** · 01-05-2004, 12:47 PM

Good point.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-05-2004, 01:56 PM

Hey TP, why are you doing rows for back? And why no Mag-10? I thought it had 130% bioavailability.

Very thorough log, I look forward to your results.

**Twin Peak** · 01-05-2004, 01:58 PM

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
Hey TP, why are you doing rows for back? And why no Mag-10? I thought it had 130% bioavailability.

Very thorough log, I look forward to your results.

Grrrrr.

**Prince** · 01-05-2004, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
Hey TP, why are you doing rows for back?

what is wrong with rows?

**Twin Peak** · 01-05-2004, 02:08 PM

And Prince says I have no sense of humor.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-05-2004, 02:15 PM

Originally posted by Prince
what is wrong with rows?

He said at the top he didn't want questions like why are you doing xxxx for back, so I figured I would taunt him a bit. The mag 10 was all me, however.

**Twin Peak** · 01-05-2004, 02:17 PM

Not "all" you. You were playing on previous statements.

Good memory though.

**Power Rabbit** · 01-05-2004, 02:41 PM

when you say boldendone for one of your stacks are you referring to something legal like a 1,4 andro...or are you gonna jab something like eq??

**Twin Peak** · 01-05-2004, 02:45 PM

Boldione, as listing in the third mini-cycle is just the name for 1, 4 andro. I'll be taking it orally, throughout the day.

**Power Rabbit** · 01-05-2004, 02:52 PM

heh sorry i mixed it up with boldenone....

**Prince** · 01-05-2004, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
He said at the top he didn't want questions like why are you doing xxxx for back, so I figured I would taunt him a bit. The mag 10 was all me, however.

oops, did not even see that.

**Triple Threat** · 01-05-2004, 03:07 PM

You must forgive Prince. He's still in shock from yesterday's game.

**Twin Peak** · 01-05-2004, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by Power Rabbit
heh sorry i mixed it up with boldenone....

I assumed.

Nope, for now, everything in there can be purchased at your local bulknutrition.com or blackstarlabs.com

**ZECH** · 01-05-2004, 05:20 PM

Where are you getting ALA powder and your carrier from?

**JerseyDevil** · 01-06-2004, 05:11 AM

TP looking forward to following this. You need to be a bit more thorough.

How many M1-t cycles did you do before surgery, and what where the results?

**Twin Peak** · 01-06-2004, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by dg806
Where are you getting ALA powder and your carrier from?

BAC.

I need to check on what would be a good carrier (i.e. whether PH gel (FL7) will work).

**Twin Peak** · 01-06-2004, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by JerseyDevil
TP looking forward to following this. You need to be a bit more thorough.

How many M1-t cycles did you do before surgery, and what where the results?

Sorry, I'll work on that. I have run 4-5 cycles of 1-test and various PHs, my first M1T cycle was post-op. I ran SO+ for 3 weeks, then M1T for three weeks, in a row. I ran it at (on average) 30 mg a day and while dieting and with shitty training (legs and light arms only). I gained about 3 pounds of LBM, if memory serves.

**Twin Peak** · 01-06-2004, 07:52 AM

Quick update, Day 2:

Weight is up 2 pounds and stomach 1/2 inch, so obviously, the extra food is bloating me (beyond being bloated already). No matter, measurements are only official weekly.

Sleep has been f-ed up the last two days, I'll need to correct that tonight and get at least seven hours. As a result todays workout was cut a bit short, but yesterdays workout was money.

Despite the higher calories yesterday, I was always ready to eat more. Today is a different story, as I am constantly full (and its only 10 am).

**Twin Peak** · 01-06-2004, 07:56 AM

BTW, here are some pics, for those interested.

These are a few weeks old, but good enough to serve as my "before" pics. I am perhaps holding a few pounds of water (and maybe a tad fat) from the holidays, but otherwise this is how I now look.

http://forum.avantlabs.com/?act=ST&f...0&#entry100950

**ZECH** · 01-06-2004, 08:44 AM

BAC?? Btw, your pics look great. Especially for someone not too far post surgery. Good job!

**prolangtum** · 01-06-2004, 09:43 AM

It still would be lovely to see you run some methyldienolone instead of M 1T to compare results.

**Twin Peak** · 01-06-2004, 10:13 AM

Originally posted by dg806
BAC?? Btw, your pics look great. Especially for someone not too far post surgery. Good job!

beyondacentury.com

Thanks, I am hoping that by the time I am 100% I am well beyond where I was even before surgery.

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