X Ring

Jersey I got one more question for you or whoever on dosage. Which is the only thing I cant find from searching. I got the 4ad transdermal dose from above for a cycle of just that
what about dosage for a 4 week cycle of m1t, 4ad
for m1t I read that 5-10 mg for starters was good but some go 20-40 mg
Should the amount of 4ad transdermal change when adding m1t?
I was thinking of doing 4ad m1t using 5mg/day of m1t for weeks 1&2 then up to 10mg/day for week 3&4 or maybe going to 10 mg/day weeks 2-4.
I wanted to stay at the lower end of the dosage for the first cycle but I am 240 lbs now so I want the amount to be worth it.
Also if I did m1t/4ad I would run nolva for pct for 4 weeks 30mg/day liquid form and whether my cycle is just 4ad or m1t/4ad I would probably take a better vitamin than centrum performance or just add b12 inject and E and some milk thistle

What are your thoughts on this (seriously I have been search/researching all day and I think I have finally got all the info I need for now after this) as usual thanks

Erik D.

my question might sound a lilttle silly but im a newbie too. Anyway all my life (im 29) I have had moderate acne (inherited by my father) also for the last 3 yrs my hair has been thinning and receeding at a slow rate. Does this mean that I have natural high Test. levels or dht levels or whatever? and will someone like me benifit from a prohormone? i have been lifting on and off for a while and i get great definition very fast but im a small framed guy. (only weigh 165) I was just hoping the curses of acne and hair-loss maybe meant i was naturally "strong" or had "good" or high levels of test or something. can anyone offer an opinion??

28 yrs. old/ 161 lbs.
BP Max= 240
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JerseyDevil

It is best to start on the low end to see how your body reacts. At a BW of 240, I would start with 10 mg. The trick is to use the least amount of androgen that will get the job done. That said, 10-15 mg ED for your first cycle is probably adequate. After that you'll probably find you'll need 20-30 mg ED for the same effect.

I'd keep the trans 4AD right around 400 mg regardless.

JerseyDevil

It probably does mean you have higher levels of DHT (bandaidwoman would be a good one to ask this question).

One of the sides of all prohormones is acne and hair loss. For individuals predisposed to these problems, it can be rather serious. I for one, have had problems with acne, but my hair is really thick. During prohormone cycles my acne usually flairs up, but I don't notice any hair loss. Unless you don't might losing more hair, I would strongly consider this side effect before trying androgens.

X Ring

im trying to buy now for a few cycles. As of now my first will be just 4 AD transdermal, then I will do M1t and 4 AD stacked then maybe the same. I would of course have adequate time between cycles with good PCT.

if my first cycle is just 4 AD at 300mg ED for 4 weeks what should the dose of the 4AD be on my second cycle when I add m1t for 4 weeks?

Randy

X Ring,

I'm an amateur at this stuff and I too am going to try M1T. Prince recommended if you've never done prohormones and are new to this then it is best to break in gradually by doing only 2 weeks the first time. I don't know if this is the case for you or not. In addition, he recommends doing only 10mg's. To me this makes total sense so you can see how you react.

He also recommends stacking with 4AD and using milk thistle. Finally he recommends 6-OXO. This is the route I will be taking.
I hope all goes well.

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JerseyDevil

For a first cycle I highly recommend either 1-AD or a transdermal 1-test, both stacked with 4AD. Haven't checked the cost of 1AD lately but I think it is much more cost effective to go with a transdermal 1-test/4ad, S1+ for example. When I first used S1+, I didn't think it worked very well. In my case, I was underdosing, and for whatever reason it seemed to take about 3 weeks to 'kick in'. Once it did, I had awesome gains. I'd do a cycle or two of this stack, then move on to something like M1T stacked with 4AD. The actual amount of 4AD isn't real critical. Around 400 mg a day should be adequate.

X Ring

so a 1test 4ad stack is a good for a beginner to prohomes and you recommend 3 or 4 weeks at what kinda dose if it is something like S1+. And what kind of PCT is best with that.

Good thing I didnt order last night, or maybe it isnt good, i got too much shit to figure out. and how long is this M1t going to be around from mike at the lower cost?
thanks again JD

JerseyDevil

Yes. A 4 week cycle of S1+ would be a good first cycle. 12 sprays a day (6 in the AM, 6 in the PM) would be 240 mg of 1-test, and 360 mg of 4AD total each day. You'll need two bottles for a 4 week cycle. 6-OXO is adequate for PCT.

Regarding 1fast's M1t, you'll have to ask Mike about availability.

X Ring

cool I think I will give that a try. Out of curosity how effective is 4ad by itself? like 400 mg/day. although I dont need an increased sex drive as my gf is prety far away