L-Glutamine question...

Tha Don · 01-21-2004, 01:58 PM

1)When should i take l-glutamine? (what times of day?)
2)How much should i take? and...
3)What should i take it with? (or what should i use as a transport system?)

and if theres anything else I ought to know plz say...

thanks in advance

peace

TheRoyalOne · 01-21-2004, 02:08 PM

The jury is still out on this one.

Some say 5g/30min before a workout and then 5g after

Others suggest 5-15g/day spread out over 2-3 doses with the last dose right before bed.

Many protein drinks contain up to 3g per serving so you may already get it that way.

plouffe · 01-21-2004, 02:35 PM

Yeah 5g before, 5g after, and 5g before sleep. That's probally what most would suggest.

TheRoyalOne · 01-21-2004, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by plouffe
Yeah 5g before, 5g after, and 5g before sleep. That's probally what most would suggest.

That's how I usually do it.

Tha Don · 01-21-2004, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by plouffe
Yeah 5g before, 5g after, and 5g before sleep. That's probally what most would suggest.

sounds good

so 5g in my pre workout shake (whey and oatmeal)?

5g in my post workout shake (whey iso, maltodextrin, creatine)

and 5g with my bedtime meal? or after it?

at bedtime should i just have it with water? juice? or a whey shake or what?

what is the optimal transport/delivery for glutamine?

peace

TheRoyalOne · 01-21-2004, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by young d
.....

what is the optimal transport/delivery for glutamine?

peace

Never thought about that one. I just use water (come to think of it, I don't drink anything else....most of the time

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Twin Peak · 01-21-2004, 03:31 PM

1) Never.
2) None.
3) Irrelevant.

atherjen · 01-21-2004, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
1) Never.
2) None.
3) Irrelevant.

explanation?

prolangtum · 01-21-2004, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
1) Never.
2) None.
3) Irrelevant.

Si Senor Steve

**Prince** · 01-21-2004, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by atherjen
explanation?

don't get him started.

I take Glutamine just like a take a Multi-Vitamin, B-Vitamins, Extra C, and every other pill I pop twice per day.

I do not expect to see any immediate effects from it, but I do believe it is worth taking.

pood · 01-21-2004, 08:11 PM

from reading the forums and different websites

i've narrowed it down to this

glutamine before workout
creatine afterwards

off days

creatine morning, glutamine at night

atherjen · 01-21-2004, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
don't get him started.

I take Glutamine just like a take a Multi-Vitamin, B-Vitamins, Extra C, and every other pill I pop twice per day.

I do not expect to see any immediate effects from it, but I do believe it is worth taking.

ohh yess Im well aware that MANY people are against supplementing with it now these days. Nevertheless I continue to take it no matter what others have to say,... but I do enjoy hearing the sides!

Twin Peak · 01-22-2004, 07:06 AM

Jen, there are several long threads here, discussing the merits (or lack thereof). There are several more threads on Avant, making the same arguments, and a few others, and offering numerous studies establishing the lack of efficacy of glutamine for increasing, or preserving, LBM.

atherjen · 01-22-2004, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Jen, there are several long threads here, discussing the merits (or lack thereof). There are several more threads on Avant, making the same arguments, and a few others, and offering numerous studies establishing the lack of efficacy of glutamine for increasing, or preserving, LBM.

in that case I have some searching and reading to do.

Twin Peak · 01-22-2004, 07:31 AM

DrChiro · 01-22-2004, 08:52 AM

Glutamine is the most abundant amino in muscle...it also can be used as a fuel source for the muscle.

It is depleted significantly during training and can lead to muscle breakdown (catabolism) if not replenished.

Whey protein is notoriously low in glutamine (unless it is added back in or combined with casiene or soy) so if whey is your main source of protein, glutamine is a good addition.

when taking individual aminos, like at night, they are best taken on an empty stomach. To get the GH releasing effect you must not have any sugar either.

I usually take 5g before bed with water on an empty stomach.
I take 5g before am cardio on empty stomach
And my shake has added glutamine so i take that afer i workout.

hope this helps!

tk... · 01-27-2004, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrChiro
when taking individual aminos, like at night, they are best taken on an empty stomach. To get the GH releasing effect you must not have any sugar either.

u beat me to it. Just a little add on , when taken without sugar at night, it have been proven that l-glutamine increases GH levels by 15%.

Testosterone · 01-27-2004, 10:12 AM

It works best for me when I take POST WORKOUT 10 grams in my Whey Protein Shake and another 10 grams before retiring to bed.
It mainly decreases muscle soreness IMO.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-27-2004, 10:26 AM

There is lack of compelling clinical evidence supporting the use of glutamine for anything other than helping out the immune system in times of stress, generally in immuno-suppressed people. People generally point to it's abundance in skeletal muscle as proof that supplementing with it will help improve LBM. This thinking is flawed considering that muscle is mostly comprised of water and drinking gallons upon gallons of it will not cause your muscles to grow.

Twin Peak · 01-27-2004, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dale Mabry
There is lack of compelling clinical evidence supporting the use of glutamine for anything other than helping out the immune system in times of stress, generally in immuno-suppressed people. People generally point to it's abundance in skeletal muscle as proof that supplementing with it will help improve LBM. This thinking is flawed considering that muscle is mostly comprised of water and drinking gallons upon gallons of it will not cause your muscles to grow.

Sanity.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-27-2004, 10:44 AM

The way I look at it, if it gives you peace of mind, go ahead and buy it, it is pretty cheap. IMO, you are better off buying EFAs or creatine with the money, but that's just me. BTW, I used to take this stuff 10g upon awakening and 10g pre workout years ago, but once I searched Pubmed and Medline for evidence to support it's use, I dropped it.

**gopro** · 01-27-2004, 10:56 AM

I will not argue on the merits of glutamine. Suffice to say that I use it...a whole lot...everyday. Currently I am taking 5 g in between every meal of the day!

Twin Peak · 01-27-2004, 11:08 AM

Ronnie Coleman takes it 5 times a day too, so it must be worthwhile.

**Dale Mabry** · 01-27-2004, 11:12 AM

I didn't know Ronnie was on it, I am getting some!

Testosterone · 01-27-2004, 01:15 PM

NOT JUST RONNIE OR JAY....EVERY PRO USES IT IMO....(SINCE EVERY PRO TRAINS HIMSELF (POUNDS HIMSELF) INTO SUBMISSION. THAT'S SOME SERIOUS STRESS.

**Prince** · 01-27-2004, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gopro
I will not argue on the merits of glutamine. Suffice to say that I use it...a whole lot...everyday. Currently I am taking 5 g in between every meal of the day!

I take three 5 gram servings per day with my protein shakes, morning, post work-out and before bed, and I will continue to do so.

gr81 · 01-27-2004, 01:39 PM

The bottom line is that the jury is still out on glutamine enhancing glycogen resynthesis following resistance exercise, but it seems unlikely that it would have any effect. Toss in the huge amounts of high glycemic carbs that most of us use following our workouts, and it’s almost a sure bet that glutamine won’t do anything for additional glycogen storage under normal dietary situations.

I could go on and on about the uselessness of glutamine but we have been there and done that. It is a waste of money in most situations IMO and there are studies to back that up.

01-21-2004, 01:58 PM	#1
Tha Don Registered User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nottingham, England Posts: 3,826 Photos: 33	L-Glutamine question... 1)When should i take l-glutamine? (what times of day?) 2)How much should i take? and... 3)What should i take it with? (or what should i use as a transport system?) and if theres anything else I ought to know plz say... thanks in advance peace

01-21-2004, 02:08 PM	#2
TheRoyalOne Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: So.Cal. Posts: 321	The jury is still out on this one. Some say 5g/30min before a workout and then 5g after Others suggest 5-15g/day spread out over 2-3 doses with the last dose right before bed. Many protein drinks contain up to 3g per serving so you may already get it that way.
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01-21-2004, 02:35 PM	#3
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	Yeah 5g before, 5g after, and 5g before sleep. That's probally what most would suggest.
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01-21-2004, 08:11 PM	#11
pood Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 166	from reading the forums and different websites i've narrowed it down to this glutamine before workout creatine afterwards off days creatine morning, glutamine at night
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01-22-2004, 07:06 AM	#13
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	Jen, there are several long threads here, discussing the merits (or lack thereof). There are several more threads on Avant, making the same arguments, and a few others, and offering numerous studies establishing the lack of efficacy of glutamine for increasing, or preserving, LBM.
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01-22-2004, 07:31 AM	#15
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01-22-2004, 08:52 AM	#16
DrChiro addicted to the crack Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: houston, tx Posts: 798	Glutamine is the most abundant amino in muscle...it also can be used as a fuel source for the muscle. It is depleted significantly during training and can lead to muscle breakdown (catabolism) if not replenished. Whey protein is notoriously low in glutamine (unless it is added back in or combined with casiene or soy) so if whey is your main source of protein, glutamine is a good addition. when taking individual aminos, like at night, they are best taken on an empty stomach. To get the GH releasing effect you must not have any sugar either. I usually take 5g before bed with water on an empty stomach. I take 5g before am cardio on empty stomach And my shake has added glutamine so i take that afer i workout. hope this helps!
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01-27-2004, 10:12 AM	#18
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01-27-2004, 10:26 AM	#19
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,844 Photos: 10	There is lack of compelling clinical evidence supporting the use of glutamine for anything other than helping out the immune system in times of stress, generally in immuno-suppressed people. People generally point to it's abundance in skeletal muscle as proof that supplementing with it will help improve LBM. This thinking is flawed considering that muscle is mostly comprised of water and drinking gallons upon gallons of it will not cause your muscles to grow.
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01-27-2004, 10:44 AM	#21
Dale Mabry Moderator Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: Elsewhere Posts: 13,844 Photos: 10	The way I look at it, if it gives you peace of mind, go ahead and buy it, it is pretty cheap. IMO, you are better off buying EFAs or creatine with the money, but that's just me. BTW, I used to take this stuff 10g upon awakening and 10g pre workout years ago, but once I searched Pubmed and Medline for evidence to support it's use, I dropped it.
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01-27-2004, 10:56 AM	#22
gopro NGA/IFPA Pro Bodybuilder Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Florida Posts: 10,504	I will not argue on the merits of glutamine. Suffice to say that I use it...a whole lot...everyday. Currently I am taking 5 g in between every meal of the day!
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01-27-2004, 11:12 AM	#24
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01-27-2004, 01:39 PM	#27
gr81 You Lack Intensity!!!! Elite Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Just below our civil disguise Posts: 6,378 Photos: 10	The bottom line is that the jury is still out on glutamine enhancing glycogen resynthesis following resistance exercise, but it seems unlikely that it would have any effect. Toss in the huge amounts of high glycemic carbs that most of us use following our workouts, and it’s almost a sure bet that glutamine won’t do anything for additional glycogen storage under normal dietary situations. I could go on and on about the uselessness of glutamine but we have been there and done that. It is a waste of money in most situations IMO and there are studies to back that up.
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