Stacking Methyl 4-AD and 1 methyl test?

camarosuper6 · 02-03-2004, 06:39 PM

Now that Designer Supps has their methylated 4-ad out, I was thinkin about doing a 4 week cycle of the 4-ad with about 25mg of methyl test.

What I wanted to know is, is that too much on my liver, should I maybe stick with a regular 1-test?

Thanks
Dave

JerseyDevil · 02-03-2004, 07:06 PM

DON'T DO IT! Yes, two 17aa orals are too much stress on the liver. Even the most hardcore AAS user subscribes to the golden rule of never stacking two orals (well the sane ones anyway).

My preference would be transdermal 4AD stacked with M1T.

camarosuper6 · 02-03-2004, 07:09 PM

Sounds like a plan, but living in California, getting 4-ad is a pain in the arse.

PreMier · 02-03-2004, 07:13 PM

Dont ya have family in other states? Send them$ have them order it, then ship it to you in a new box.

**dg806** · 02-04-2004, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JerseyDevil
DON'T DO IT! Yes, two 17aa orals are too much stress on the liver. Even the most hardcore AAS user subscribes to the golden rule of never stacking two orals (well the sane ones anyway).

My preference would be transdermal 4AD stacked with M1T.

I might give the same advice, but there is no proof that this is any worse than one methyl substance. Sledghmr has some ongoing blood work with some guys. If interested, you need to check it out.

topolo · 02-04-2004, 10:14 AM

where dg??

**dg806** · 02-04-2004, 12:40 PM

subscribe to his newsletter............

JerseyDevil · 02-04-2004, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dg806
I might give the same advice, but there is no proof that this is any worse than one methyl substance. Sledghmr has some ongoing blood work with some guys. If interested, you need to check it out.

Did you see Supersoldier's "M1T PCT" thread? His liver enyzmes skyrocketed, just using M1t alone. I may have believed it was ok to stack methyl's until I saw this.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12909

JerseyDevil · 02-05-2004, 04:53 AM

...also Chemo and Bobo's take on it.

Quote:

A PM I received and replied to...for everyone's review.

This PM is one I replied to just moments ago. I want to hammer the point home to EVERYONE that stacking methyls is against my recommendation and I will not give advice that involves stacking 2 methylated compounds. Do not PM me asking for pointers on how to effectively stack 2 methyls for there is no way...and I refuse to add flame to the potentially hazardous practice of stacking 2 17-alkylated compounds.
Quote:
Originally Posted by A member in good standing
people have taken 30mg of m1t and now m1/4add.

my question is can i try 20mg of m1/4add and 10mg of m1t? combined its still 30mg of a methyl substance and the androgenic effect of the 1/4add and the anabolic affect of the m1t should make it a superior cycle correct?

my main concern is if when combining diff types of methyl does their toxicity increase exponentially or anything like that? or is 30mg total of a methyl substance the same as 30mg total of 3 diff methyl substances?

i hope that made sense...i've done 30mg of m1t with little sides so i know i can handle it w/o my body hurting (LOTS OF WATER), but combining the substances if what i'm not sure of

kinda a chemist question i guess

I am completely against stacking methyls. It is a liability waiting to happen and I don't want to further the potential hazard to those that want to do so.

The toxiticity is not related to dose (i.e. - anything under 30 mg ED of a methyl and you're good to go). Take for example methyltrienbolone (methyl tren) -> it causes jaundice with only 2.5 mg ED!!!

IMO, if you wanted to stack ANYTHING with a methyl it should be an injectable, transdermal, oral in that order.

For instance, to replicate the same effect as what you are trying to do the cycle could be the M-1-T and a transdermal 1,4-diol. To make it even better, add 5 grams 1,4-diol and 2.5 grams 4-AD (2:1 ratio) to the transdermal for a sick cycle.

My point I want to hammer home to you is NEVER STACK METHYLS. Sure it seems like the fast and easy way to go but it is my job to ensure you gain proper form from the beginning and not have to rely on hindsight. This way is the SAFE AND EFFECTIVE way of dosing potent anabolics.

BTW, this is an excellent case in point for the movement of teaching "safe" methyl dosing. I am going to post this PM in the form of a thread so that others may read it. I will delete your name to preserve your confidentility.

Chemo

Quote:

Well it seems M1T is very harsh and from the few people that have had bloodwork done it seems conclusive. Pat compared M1T to Halo and from the results of a few, he may be right.

Now every advanced user of AAS will tell you, DONT stack orals together. How many steroid users do you see stacking Drol and Dbol together? How many do you see stacking numerous orals at all? Hardly any and there is a reason for that.

Orals should be an add on to your cycle, not your base. THe sooner people figure this out, the better off they will be and frankly, the better their gains will be.

By advocating the use of mutiple methyls, it shows their complete lack of experience, lack of knowledge or blatant disregard for their health.

bobo@anabolicminds.com

**dg806** · 02-05-2004, 08:07 AM

They are probably saying this to cover their ass. I seen another blood thread where the liver values did not rise much. But anything oral can affect the liver. Even vitamins. And Chemo talks about a 1,4 transdermal. No use in doing that. It has as high or higher oral bio than it does transdermal . Different compounds have different toxicity levels. So M1-t and M 1,4 will not be the same. Now I agree the safe thing to do is not stack them.

**dg806** · 02-05-2004, 08:19 AM

Also it did not say what dosage he took, and looks like alcohol was involved. Another guy in that thread also took blood work, @20mg/day for three weeks, his was normal. Not sure if Nolva affects values or not. I think this guy has other problems though.

JerseyDevil · 02-05-2004, 09:01 AM

Yeah, it is strange his enyzmes were fine all the way thru the cycle. Wasn't until after he went post cycle did they elevate.

I had my cholesterol and liver enyzmes checked 3 weeks after a 2 week cycle of M1T (20 mg 1st week/30 mg 2nd week), and everything was normal. I wonder what they were during and immediately after though.

IMO, there are still too many unknowns to even consider stacking methyls. With your garden variety steroids, at least the pharmaceutical companies did plenty of research and clinical studies, as with any compound, before releasing to the public. With the methyl 'prohormones' it is scary to me that these were basically developed by amateur chemists in their kitchen or basements. The only testing seems to be 'well a couple of my buddies took it for 3 weeks and they seem to be ok...". Even if the blood work comes back completely normal, there obviously can be undetermined long term consequences.

**dg806** · 02-05-2004, 09:18 AM

That is why I said subscribe to Sldge's news letter. He is doing blood work on his supps. So you will know what to expect when you take his supps. I don't think he will make this public due to everyone else claiming the same results for their products and I don't blame him.

JerseyDevil · 02-05-2004, 09:28 AM

I'll check it out.

02-03-2004, 06:39 PM	#1
camarosuper6 Unstoppable Force Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,415	Stacking Methyl 4-AD and 1 methyl test? Now that Designer Supps has their methylated 4-ad out, I was thinkin about doing a 4 week cycle of the 4-ad with about 25mg of methyl test. What I wanted to know is, is that too much on my liver, should I maybe stick with a regular 1-test? Thanks Dave "Show me a beautiful woman, and I'll show you a guy tired of screwing her"

02-03-2004, 07:09 PM	#3
camarosuper6 Unstoppable Force Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,415	Sounds like a plan, but living in California, getting 4-ad is a pain in the arse. "Show me a beautiful woman, and I'll show you a guy tired of screwing her"

02-03-2004, 07:13 PM	#4
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	Dont ya have family in other states? Send them$ have them order it, then ship it to you in a new box. P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

02-04-2004, 12:40 PM	#7
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,196	subscribe to his newsletter............ 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

02-05-2004, 08:07 AM	#10
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,196	They are probably saying this to cover their ass. I seen another blood thread where the liver values did not rise much. But anything oral can affect the liver. Even vitamins. And Chemo talks about a 1,4 transdermal. No use in doing that. It has as high or higher oral bio than it does transdermal . Different compounds have different toxicity levels. So M1-t and M 1,4 will not be the same. Now I agree the safe thing to do is not stack them. 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

02-03-2004, 07:06 PM	#2
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,586	DON'T DO IT! Yes, two 17aa orals are too much stress on the liver. Even the most hardcore AAS user subscribes to the golden rule of never stacking two orals (well the sane ones anyway). My preference would be transdermal 4AD stacked with M1T.

02-04-2004, 10:14 AM	#6
topolo Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Uranus Posts: 4,958 Photos: 2	where dg??

02-05-2004, 08:19 AM	#11
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,196	Also it did not say what dosage he took, and looks like alcohol was involved. Another guy in that thread also took blood work, @20mg/day for three weeks, his was normal. Not sure if Nolva affects values or not. I think this guy has other problems though. 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

02-05-2004, 09:01 AM	#12
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,586	Yeah, it is strange his enyzmes were fine all the way thru the cycle. Wasn't until after he went post cycle did they elevate. I had my cholesterol and liver enyzmes checked 3 weeks after a 2 week cycle of M1T (20 mg 1st week/30 mg 2nd week), and everything was normal. I wonder what they were during and immediately after though. IMO, there are still too many unknowns to even consider stacking methyls. With your garden variety steroids, at least the pharmaceutical companies did plenty of research and clinical studies, as with any compound, before releasing to the public. With the methyl 'prohormones' it is scary to me that these were basically developed by amateur chemists in their kitchen or basements. The only testing seems to be 'well a couple of my buddies took it for 3 weeks and they seem to be ok...". Even if the blood work comes back completely normal, there obviously can be undetermined long term consequences.

02-05-2004, 09:18 AM	#13
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 18,196	That is why I said subscribe to Sldge's news letter. He is doing blood work on his supps. So you will know what to expect when you take his supps. I don't think he will make this public due to everyone else claiming the same results for their products and I don't blame him. 1-Andro Rx Pro-hormone

02-05-2004, 09:28 AM	#14
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,586	I'll check it out.

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