What is the best 4AD?

100%legalmass · 02-15-2004, 10:23 PM

Is Ergopharm androdiol select 300 the best 4AD?

Tell me what you think the best 4AD is.

**Prince** · 02-15-2004, 11:13 PM

I do like Ergopharm's products, are you looking for an oral 4-AD only?

When I use 4-AD it's with M1T so I have to use a transdermal, do not want any additional stress on the liver. Either way I would say a transdermal 4-AD is going to be more potent, try Dermabolics 4Derm.

JerseyDevil · 02-16-2004, 05:35 AM

Ergopharm's 1AD is a great product, but when it comes to 4AD definitely stick with a transdermal application. It is much more effective taken transdermally, then orally. I like Dermabolics 4Derm also.

100%legalmass · 02-16-2004, 12:16 PM

I tried transdermal S1+ and that stuff dried and irritated my skin retty badly. I had to stop using it after a couple weeks. Does the 4DERM burn like the S1+?

**dg806** · 02-16-2004, 12:28 PM

No the 4 diol does not irritate the skin like 1-test.

100%legalmass · 02-16-2004, 12:35 PM

thanx dg

tomas101 · 02-16-2004, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prince
I do like Ergopharm's products, are you looking for an oral 4-AD only?

When I use 4-AD it's with M1T so I have to use a transdermal, do not want any additional stress on the liver. Either way I would say a transdermal 4-AD is going to be more potent, try Dermabolics 4Derm.

when u say dont want more stress on the liver, doesnt the transdermal still have to pass through the liver..i mean everything has to pass throuh the liver right?...

HoldDaMayo · 02-16-2004, 03:22 PM

I HATE transdermals.... bleh... such a pain in the ass...

JerseyDevil · 02-16-2004, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 100%legalmass
I tried transdermal S1+ and that stuff dried and irritated my skin retty badly. I had to stop using it after a couple weeks. Does the 4DERM burn like the S1+?

Having used both, I can say that S1+ after about two weeks really irritated my skin. Looked like I had a sunburn in the application areas. 4Derm did not do this at all. So my answer would be no.

JerseyDevil · 02-16-2004, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tomas101
when u say dont want more stress on the liver, doesnt the transdermal still have to pass through the liver..i mean everything has to pass throuh the liver right?...

Transdermal delivery avoids first pass metabolism in the liver and due to that fact, significantly lessens potential toxicity. Ultimately, yes it still passes thru the liver, but its negative impact is greatly reduced.

JerseyDevil · 02-16-2004, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HoldDaMayo
I HATE transdermals.... bleh... such a pain in the ass...

I did at first, but later learned to actually look forward to the ritual of smearing the citrus scented juice on my body.

Var · 02-16-2004, 07:40 PM

I've been using One+ for about 4 days and its burning the hell out of me. I used it back in July and had no problems at all. Not sure why its so bad this time. Maybe my skin is drier due to the weather and this makes it more sensitive???

02-15-2004, 10:23 PM	#1
100%legalmass just trying to make it Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: mississippi Posts: 53	What is the best 4AD? Is Ergopharm androdiol select 300 the best 4AD? Tell me what you think the best 4AD is.

02-15-2004, 11:13 PM	#2
Prince the one & only Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 34,002 Blog Entries: 25 Photos: 320	I do like Ergopharm's products, are you looking for an oral 4-AD only? When I use 4-AD it's with M1T so I have to use a transdermal, do not want any additional stress on the liver. Either way I would say a transdermal 4-AD is going to be more potent, try Dermabolics 4Derm.
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02-16-2004, 03:22 PM	#8
HoldDaMayo Just call me Mayo Elite Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oceanside, CA Posts: 1,917 Photos: 4	I HATE transdermals.... bleh... such a pain in the ass...
	Are you kidding me????

02-16-2004, 07:40 PM	#12
Var Filthy Animal Join Date: May 2002 Location: Finally back in New England!! Posts: 5,438	I've been using One+ for about 4 days and its burning the hell out of me. I used it back in July and had no problems at all. Not sure why its so bad this time. Maybe my skin is drier due to the weather and this makes it more sensitive???
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02-16-2004, 05:35 AM	#3
JerseyDevil GO Buckeyes! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,181	Ergopharm's 1AD is a great product, but when it comes to 4AD definitely stick with a transdermal application. It is much more effective taken transdermally, then orally. I like Dermabolics 4Derm also.

02-16-2004, 12:16 PM	#4
100%legalmass just trying to make it Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: mississippi Posts: 53	I tried transdermal S1+ and that stuff dried and irritated my skin retty badly. I had to stop using it after a couple weeks. Does the 4DERM burn like the S1+?

02-16-2004, 12:35 PM	#6
100%legalmass just trying to make it Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: mississippi Posts: 53	thanx dg

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