Thread: METHYLDIENOLONE is it worth it?

hmmm, i have no idea, but i am really interested on what people have to say about that so maybe i can look at that product also....

Where did you come up with 85%? From the two people I know that ran it, the main difference in side effects was it's lack of lethargy. That does not mean it is safer. It's hepatoxicity is probably at least as much as M1T, maybe more.

In fact, methyldienolone is a very close chemical cousin to Methyltrienolone, which is said to be VERY toxic to the liver.

Just found this on the Bulk Nutrition forum. More good info...

Androgen Addendum
by Loki

'Methyldienolone'


The chemically-structured 'little cousin' of Methyltrienolone, one of the most potent steroids ever developed, 'MethylDienolone,' which also goes by the names 'Methyldien' & it's true, structural designation 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyestra-4,9(10)dien-3-one, is one of the newest & most misunderstood 17-alpha-alkylated (i.e. 'methylated') androgens to have recently emerged in the PH/AAS market as of late.

Little true data exists concerning the use of methyldienolone in humans, and-- at the moment I am writing this article-- user feedback concerning the compound simply does not exist to any significant degree. To my knowledge, at present, I am one of only a half-dozen individuals in the United States to have used methyldienolone in a cycle. Thus, for the purposes of this piece, I will be relying more on my own individual experiences/observations with the compound, rather than lab assays & its presumed anabolic:androgenic activity ratio.

Methyldienolone, for all extents & purposes, can best be thought of as a highly orally bioavailable, non-aromatizing 19-Nortestosterone derivative that boasts a very anabolic and moderately androgenic profile. Just to give you an idea, methyldienolone is only a single double-bond away from the 'ubersteroid' 17a-Methyl-17b-Hydroxyestra-4,9,11-Trien-3-one, one of the most anabolic (as well as hepatotoxic) steroids known to man.

In my own limited experience with the compound, methyldienolone is a rather singular androgen in its utter absence of effects on mood, energy levels, and SNS activity. While it is moderately androgenic (and thus has the penchant to produce any/all of the typical androgenic sides associated with PH/AAS use [acne, hair loss, prostate hypertrophy, et. al.]), methyldienolone does not appear to have any significant effect on energy levels, appetite, aggression/complacency, or cognitive capacity. Furthermore, given its close structural similarities to methyltrienolone (as well as its tremendous potency), methyldienolone is probably also the most hepatotoxic commercially-available 17aa-androgen currently. As with all 17aa-androgens, those with prior liver conditions &/or concerns in this regard should make sure they exercise the upmost caution if they choose to pursue methyldienolone for personal use.

In terms of its anabolic capabilities, methyldienolone is, without doubt, the most potent (on a mg/mg basis), widely-available 17aa-androgen that one can currently obtain 'legally' (Author's note: Although it is important to note that the actual 'legality' of this class of compounds [re: 17aa-androgens] in compliance with the terms of DSHEA should be considered 'highly questionable' at best). As a comparison, 1mg of methyldienolone seems to be equivalent, anabolically, to ~8-12mg of 17aa-1-Testosterone (also known as Methyl-1-Test). Impressive (and often rapid) LBM gains (even in the face of a caloric deficit), marginal strength increases, and noticeable aesthetic improvements in vascularity, muscle hardness & fullness, and leanness are all facets to methyldienolone use that I have witnessed first-hand.

As a stand-alone androgen, methyldienolone should be used @ 1-3mg/day. Heavily experienced &/or much larger lifters might do better with 4-5mg/day, and I do not feel that there is any need whatsoever to exceed the 5mg/day dose-range. 750mcg-1000mcg (1mg) of methyldienolone can also be used in stacks with other androgens as well, although it is NOT recommended the use of methyldienolone in conjuction with aromatizing androgens such as 4-androstenediol (4AD) due to the potential incidence of progesterone-induced side-effects, which can negatively affect mood, skin appearance, insulin sensitivity, and vascularity, among other potentially-detrimental occurences/conditions.

Originally posted by JerseyDevil
Where did you come up with 85%? From the two people I know that ran it, the main difference in side effects was it's lack of lethargy. That does not mean it is safer. It's hepatoxicity is probably at least as much as M1T, maybe more.

In fact, methyldienolone is a very close chemical cousin to Methyltrienolone, which is said to be VERY toxic to the liver.

I got it off kilosports and gasparinutrition it says Meth D only has 15% the side effects of M1T so its 85% less.

Product Summary
Methyldienolone is the trademarked name for the prosteroid 17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyestra-4,9(10)dien-3-one. Without a doubt, Methyldienolone is the most potent prosteroid ever developed and sold in the world to date as it is about 1.1X as anabolic as Methyl-1-Testosterone is while being only 15% as androgenic.

These characteristics allow Methyldienolone to cause the similar positive effects that Methyl-1-Testosterone users have reported with far fewer side effects. Additionally, because it is not a "1-ene" compound, the typical lethargy and mild depression found in users of Methyl-1-Testosterone and other 1-testosterone products is not present with Methyldienolone use. Due to it's fairly high Anabolic-to-Androgenic ration (A:A), the effects of Methyldienolone have been described by users as "Winstrol like" or "Winstrol Turbo" or "a hybrid between Parabolan and Winstrol".

This last comparison is right on the money as Methyldienolone is a very close chemical cousin to the most potent steroid on the planet bar none, that being methyltrenbolone (aka methyltrienolone). In fact, Methyldienolone is a close homolog of methyltrienolone, the singular difference between the two being a double bond at Carbon #11 found on methyltrienolone. So how potent is Methyldienolone? Users are recording fantastic gains in lean muscle mass and decreases in body fat with only 1-3mg per day.

Originally posted by IronSlingah
I got it off kilosports and gasparinutrition it says Meth D only has 15% the side effects of M1T so its 85% less.

I emailed designersupps about this and they gave me some good news heres the E-mail.


ME I see that some sites have METHYLDIENOLONE for sale already but it is in capsule form.
My question is if you will be selling METHYLDIENOLONE anytime soon in powder form by the gram?
Also i heard the dosage for this is 1-3mg so is there anyway to turn this into an oral solution like M1T can?

THEM I will have the solution ready on mon. 50 servings per bottle, 1mg per ml for $35. I will be doing the tabs in a few weeks. I will be the cheapest on the web.

Sldge

this shit has me debating on whether i should buy some..its got me really curious

Sledge probaly wont sell it by the powder, I got some, but Im no average dummy. Misdosing this could be dangerous, as 1-3mgs is effective, yet such a minute amount.

I emailed Slgde also. He said the tabs will ready in about 4 weeks. He will have 100 count, 1 mg tabs for $45. Until then, he will have beta oral solutions, each bottle is 1mg/ml for 50ml (he told me $30).

Originally posted by JerseyDevil
I emailed Slgde also. He said the tabs will ready in about 4 weeks. He will have 100 count, 1 mg tabs for $45. Until then, he will have beta oral solutions, each bottle is 1mg/ml for 50ml (he told me $30).

Same thing he told me in an e-mail....

its available today, the oral solution that is

Originally posted by dg806
Same thing he told me in an e-mail....

Did he lower it to 30$?
I asked on friday and he said 35$

Don't know but that is what the e-mail said...........

You know when you think about it.... to run a methyldienolone cycle from Designer Supps won't cost that much more then the Underground Labs deal.

For instance, I ran my last M1T cycle for 4 weeks @ 30 mg per day. One bottle of UL M1T is 60 count, 5 mg tabs. It would take three bottles at $10 each to run this cycle, so $30. You don't have to stack with 4AD, but doing so greatly reduces the lethargy. I stacked with 4Derm, so my total cost for a 4 week cycle was $70.

Running 3 mg each day of methyldienolone is roughly equal to 30 mg of M1T each day (see Prohormone FAQ). So one bottle of DesignerSupps 100 count, 1 mg tabs will cover a 4 week cycle. Total cost $45. Since there is no lethargy associated with this product, 4AD isn't really needed, and in fact is not recommended due to possible progesterone-induced side effects. So depending on how you look at it, m dien may actually be cheaper overall.

The only two people that I know that have run this are Prolangtum and Loki, and both love it.

I got my oral solution from Sledge last week, and I started running it at 4mg today.

...and if you get good results with it, we KNOW its a winner!

Yeah, pretty much.

M1,4 did very little for me in two weeks.

Yeah I know you don't respond well to most compounds. Have you tried M5AA?

No.

Originally posted by Twin Peak
Yeah, pretty much.

M1,4 did very little for me in two weeks.

I was never a fan of 1,4. Did nothing for me except maybe make me a little hungrier. So I wouldn't expect much out of M1,4 either.

Liver Toxicity & Androgrenic Side Effects

That Loki article doesn't make it clear how toxic MethylDienolone. Where does this sit when compared to the toxicity of M1T and other prohormones, steroids, and synthetic testosterone (OTC or not)? Guesses?

The author also says there's a "penchant" for hair loss/acne, but apparently didn't experience those side effects. If side effects are 85% less than M1T, that doesn't seem like much at all. Do others agree with this deduction? Thanks.

FDA to Crack Down on Supplement Andro

By LAURAN NEERGAARD, AP Medical Writer

WASHINGTON - The government will crack down on the steroid-like supplement made famous by baseball's Mark McGwire, telling companies Thursday to quit selling androstenedione unless they can prove it's not dangerous.

Commonly called andro, the product is a steroid precursor — the body uses it to make testosterone.

That means it poses the same health risks as directly using an anabolic steroid, the Food and Drug Administration (news - web sites) is expected to say in warnings telling 23 manufacturers to cease their production.

Anabolic steroids, which build muscle, are controlled substances. But andro — because it is a precursor, not the steroid itself — has long been marketed as a dietary supplement, selling over the counter. U.S. law lets dietary supplements sell with little oversight to ensure they're safe.

But the FDA is citing a seldom-used provision of that law that defines as a dietary supplement natural ingredients that were on the market before 1994 — and says manufacturers must prove that any new ingredients are safe before selling them as supplements.

Andro wasn't on the market in 1994 and thus its makers failed to follow the law's safety provision, said a spokesman for the Department of Health and Human Services (news - web sites).

The FDA expects its action to at least temporarily halt andro sales. Meanwhile, Congress is considering legislation sponsored by Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., that would permanently end over-the-counter sales of andro, as well as a new steroid named THG, and subject them to the same prescription restrictions as apply to anabolic steroids.

Andro's use skyrocketed after McGwire said he used it in 1998, the year he hit a record-setting 70 home runs for the St. Louis Cardinals. He has said he later quit the supplements.

Medical studies show andro does raise testosterone above normal levels. Side effects of elevated testosterone include acne, baldness, and a drop in the so-called good cholesterol that could lead to heart disease.

Critics are especially concerned about andro's effects if taken by children while they're undergoing puberty.

tp what are you going to use for pct?

Has anyone heard of any females taking it? I found one article in Muscular Development magazine about a woman taking a quarter of a pill a day (.25 milligrams). She had significant gains (-5% body fat in a month), and didn't see any manly changes in her body. I've never taken steriods or anything like this, but I'm thinking about trying the same dosage. Any ideas? I'm just worried about turning into a man!

did the article say how long she took it?

I'm running 3mg. a day, and at my 3rd day in...the shit is already fucking showing signs! The fat on my stomach is receding phenominally quickly, and im hard as hell all over. After I hit back, my lats are popping like never before. I kid you not. This stuff works. I'm planning on going on 6 -OXO, ecdysterone, and vitrix for pct, and everythings going good so far!

Ummm... I didn't think you could see noticable 3-day results on real juice ?

Originally posted by JerseyDevil
Where did you come up with 85%? From the two people I know that ran it, the main difference in side effects was it's lack of lethargy. That does not mean it is safer. It's hepatoxicity is probably at least as much as M1T, maybe more.

In fact, methyldienolone is a very close chemical cousin to Methyltrienolone, which is said to be VERY toxic to the liver.

Well, figures like that usually don't take into account the relative anabolic potency of the compound - so while it is much more toxic on a per mg basis, it is also much more effective on a per mg basis. As far as I know the liver toxicity of this compound relative to other methyls is still up in the air.

Another thing, 85% less side effects, as far as I can tell that is a completely arbitrary number.