Thread: M1T/Etched for Men Cycle

I doubt you will notice much from a 2 week M1T cycle of 5mgs, you may want to do 5mgs the first few days and see how you react then look at increasing to at least 10mgs. I also believe that 3-4 weeks of M1T works much better than 2 weeks.

4-AD works great stacked with M1T, but if you're cutting it's not the best choice for a stack.

I do not know what Etched for Men is?

6-OXO is okay, I am currently using both 6-OXO and Dermabolics E-Form (a transdermal version of 6-OXO basically).

Yeah, i know not to expect a lot from 2 weeks of M1T @ 5mg. It's my first M1T cycle, so I'm being careful b/c I'm really sensitive to some things.

I was hestitant to add 4AD since I'm cutting, and also since the M1T is only @ 2 weeks.

But you'd say definitely go 3 weeks on the M1T?

Etched for Men really looked cool to me, becuase it's like Ab-Solved plus a Hydroxtest Transdermal. Black Star Labs makes it. I'd never seen hydroxy in a transdermal.

I guess I'll be the guinea pig here for Etched!

I say see how you react to the 5mg's of M1T the first week and go from there.

Cool, thanks, will start log on a new thread on the 2nd.

One thing I can say is that using M1T past 4 weeks did nothing for me personally, other than side effects, and going above 20mg's did nothing more except increase side effects, especially muscle cramping.

So, my next cycle will be M1T 20mg's for 4 weeks, stacked with 4-Derm 5 sprays AM & PM, followed by 3-4 weeks of E-Form 6 sprays AM & PM.

I appreciate your response--I know no one likes to answer ANOTHER q about M1t, but my scenario is different.

Just curious, did you see significant sides @ 15mg? What about teh M1T flu?

pm for u

prince how muc 6 oxo do you take post cycle??????

i dont think 6 capsules a day is enough for me.

can i go higher?????

I did an alternate 4 week cycle of m1-t at 4 weeks and 4 weeks for me also seemed to be the limit to where my gains started to get stagnant and I was ready to come off.

I would recommend something similar to Prince. Dont forget Liver Support during the PCT.

Originally posted by Prince
So, my next cycle will be M1T 20mg's for 4 weeks, stacked with 4-Derm 5 sprays AM & PM, followed by 3-4 weeks of E-Form 6 sprays AM & PM.

Will the E-form, only, be enough for pct? Tamoxifen isn't needed for m1t? I'm asking just because i dunno if E-from only will be enough..!

Brodus,

I just got done with a 2 wk stint on M1T. I am happy with the results. Definitely use the 4derm to combat lethargy.

Like you, I am very sensitive to drugs, etc. I gained about 12lbs of weight in 2 weeks. My pumps were huge, and I ate like a horse too. I ate about 200 grams of protein each day, and nearly 3000 calories.

I was tired as hell at night. I was really beat for about an hour in the morning. I took 4derm 5 sprays with my coffee..lol Then I took my one tab of M1T at about 3pm and worked out at 4. I am doing PCT for 2 weeks three 3oxo tabs (300mg) per day. That should do it.

I may take the M1t at night next cycle. I also am contemplating going up to 10mg. I would take it slow though. I cannot reitterate how it kicked my butt.

Originally posted by darklight
Will the E-form, only, be enough for pct?

Bro, I would like to know this one too...

Cool, billy. I think I'll wait then until my 4derm arrives to start the cycle (which would start today). I, too, will probably get serious lethargy.

I was just selected to be a tester of MRM Muscle Pump, so this cycle is going to have to be postponed!

I just got a bodyfat monitor and some other great testing stuff, so when I can do this cycle, it will be very accurately reported.

are there any precautions to take with ecthed

Probably just the usual precautions regarding transdermals and skin irritation. USE GLOVES WHEN YOU APPLY, esp. if you wear contacts!

Since the actives are 7-OXO/7-KETO and Hydroxytest, you're not looking at many sides, if any.

I am really excited to try this stuff...I've got about 10 more days on the Metabolic Pump test, then I'm starting my cutting cycle posted here.

Here's the product link:
http://www.blackstarlabs.com/?manufa...roducts_id=121

Looks like the price just went up! I got it for just over $20.

thanks brodus also do i have to appyl it on the problem area and if so will rotating the spots do benefit me more

Well, they say to put it where you want results, but the carrier gel this is meant for systemic uptake, so you want to apply it anywhere that will maximize uptake, i.e. tops of feet, back of knees...places w/o hair and not much fat.

The only "localized" anti-fat topical is Lipoderm-Y, and it uses a different delivery method, preventing systemic uptake and sending the actives directly into the area it's applied to.

Originally posted by brodus
Well, they say to put it where you want results, but the carrier gel this is meant for systemic uptake, so you want to apply it anywhere that will maximize uptake, i.e. tops of feet, back of knees...places w/o hair and not much fat.

The only "localized" anti-fat topical is Lipoderm-Y, and it uses a different delivery method, preventing systemic uptake and sending the actives directly into the area it's applied to.

wrong....etched uses the Avant Labs site specific carrier

I did not know this. Thanks for answering.

You can understand my confusion if you ask the same questions I did:

If you're seeking to raise basal metabolic rate via T3 action, you're seeking a systemic uptake, correct?

Why does the site specific carrier alone cost twice as much as Etched?

Why do other site specific products cost much more than Etched, when HydroxyTest is more expensive than 1T and certainly 4AD?

Isn't the research behind localized delivery of Hydroxytest inconclusive?


My own answers to these questions led me to formulate my opinion. If I was wrong, please forgive.

Originally posted by brodus
I did not know this. Thanks for answering.

You can understand my confusion if you ask the same questions I did:

If you're seeking to raise basal metabolic rate via T3 action, you're seeking a systemic uptake, correct?

yes

Why does the site specific carrier alone cost twice as much as Etched?

to protect all sales of finished retail products

Why do other site specific products cost much more than Etched, when HydroxyTest is more expensive than 1T and certainly 4AD?

no clue, they aren't really unless they are 120ml vs. 60

Isn't the research behind localized delivery of Hydroxytest inconclusive?

most likely


My own answers to these questions led me to formulate my opinion. If I was wrong, please forgive.

I think etched is a great product...I have used it before and I also had great results on a two week cycle of m1t.

Awesome...Yeah, I'm really looking forward to this cycle. Ten days and counting now...

Good luck bro

Okay, I just finished testing MRM Metabolic Pump (I recommend it--you can read my log in the Online Journal section), and began my Etched/M1T cycle on May 1.

Here are my beginning measurements:
Ht: 5'11'
Wt: 191
BF%: 14.1%

Here is my dosing protocol:

Week 1
M1T, 5mg ED, before bed
Etched, 1 application daily
CardioGuard (CoQ10, Hawthorn, Taurine, Milk Thistle, Vitamin B6)

Week 2
M1T, 5mg ED, before bed (may bump to 10 if no sides)
Etched, 2 applications daily
CardioGuard (CoQ10, Hawthorn, Taurine, Milk Thistle, Vitamin B6)


Week 3
ZFORCE (ZMA, Tribulus, NAC), before workout, before bed)
Etched, 2 applications daily
CardioGuard (CoQ10, Hawthorn, Taurine, Milk Thistle, Vitamin B6)


Week 4
ZFORCE (ZMA, Tribulus, NAC), before workout, before bed)
Etched, 1 application daily
CardioGuard (CoQ10, Hawthorn, Taurine, Milk Thistle, Vitamin B6)

Weeks 5-9
PCT (Low-dose Nolva, Tribulus, ZMA, 7-Keto DHEA, Creatine, R-ALA, Saw Palmetto, Milk Thistle)

I am also drinking MRM MetaMeal before bed along with a TB of Flax Oil.


I will update at least every other day.

So far I've only had one workout (Monday). I did 21 sets chest and 15 biceps. Way intense. Hit 230x6 on Hammer Wide Iso Press, no problem. Biceps exploded. I'm lucky to hit four reps with 50lb. dumbells, and I easily hit 6 on my third set (I pyramid up from 40).

Today is Legs and Shoulders. I will post details following.

It's only been three days, but no sides, save a dull ache in my nads that comes and goes, and increased urination. No lethargy at all-->in fact, I have more energy than usual.

The Etched does not irritate my skin at all, nor does it stain. It has a very strong, almost noxious odor when you put it on, so I suggest spraying it in a n open area. My small, enclosed bathroom became a gas chamber. I use rubber gloves to rub it in and prevent getting it in my eyes (I wear contacts). It seems completely absorbed within five minutes.

I am using UL M1T, by the way. Much more to come.

Oh, and I haven't been able to check BP yet, since none of the Pharmacies near me have a free machine. I can check my pulse, though, and there hasn't been any change, and I am a semi-competitive runner with very low BP, so I'm not terribly worried. I will check ASAP, though.

Also, I droped my ECA use to lower chance of BP sides.

Lastly, I'm not going to be running bloodwork, b/c it would cost more than my cycle and my monthly gym dues...sorry!

Tuesday May 4, Day 4

Weight: 194
B.F.: 14.6%

Workout: Legs and Shoulders

3 min. cardio warmup followed by stretching
LEGS:
Squats
Warmup Set
180X 8
200 x 6
220 x 6
240 x 6
Leg Extensions
200 x 8
210 x 6
220 x 6
Horiztonal Squats (machine)
300 x 8
320 x 6
340 x 6
Leg Press (Hammer)
200 x 8
240 x 8
280 x 8
45-Degree Calf Raise
140 x 12
160 x 12
Donkey Calf Raise
105 x 12
125 x 12


SHOULDERS
D.B. Shoulder Press
40s x 8
45s x 6
50s x 6
Front Delt Raise
20s x 8
20s x 8
Arnold Press
25s x 8
30s x 6
Side Laterals
20s x 8
20s x 8
Shoulder Shrugs
270 x 8
270 x 8
Shoulder Press (machine)
100 x 10
100 x 8

NOTES:
I noticed the lack of a pre-workout drink today, as I was using Metabolic Pump prior to lifting for the past 17 days. I'm going to start drinking one of my homebrew pre-wo drinks, as I can really tell the difference.

That said, I breezed through pretty a high volume day, 17 sets legs and 13 shoulders. The only downside was a tiredness (which didn't effect my ability to move weight, just my focus), which could be the lethargy, I don't know. I also felt nauseous today after my more intense sets. Could be the fact that I ate a bunch of carrots and an apple before working out, not sure.

So as far as sides go, all I have to report is a marked decrease in appetite, and possibly some lethargy, but I'm not sure about that. Otherwise, the only side effect is the ability to lift more weight and recover more quickly!

Also, oddly enough, though my weight is up a bit, my belt is one notch looser today?! Not a "sucking it to make it fit," loose, but a realization that when I put on my pants, I'm on the last belt notch, which hasn't been used (easy to tell).

Tuesday May 11, Day 11

Weight: 199
B.F.: 15.1%

(This represents a LBM gain of about two pounds)

Okay, I decided to bump up the M1T to 10mg for this week, starting today. I also am continuing Etched at 2 applications a day. I am going to up the Etched to 3 applications a day following cessation of M1T to take advantage of the anti-estrogenic properties.

I am looking more defined and vascular. I have lost nearly an inch off of my waist, and gained over a .25 on my arms.

I'm not going to post all of my lifts over the past week, but here are some highlights:

Bench: Up 10 pounds on flat bench, 20 pounds on Hammer Iso Wide
Dumbell Curls: Up 5 pounds and more reps
Squats: Up 20 pounds
Low Lat Row: Up 20 pounds



SIDE EFFECTS:

Lethargy hasn't been much of a probelm as long as I take the M1T before bed and get a good night sleep. Now that I am taking mid-day as well, I can feel it a bit, but not bad at all.

Zero sexual side effects...I am actually way more horny than usual.

I got a very small rash from the Etched yesterday, and just roatated application sites, and applied some Aloe to the rash, and it's already going away.

The only real sides are the oft-reported back cramps. I ran a mile on the treadmill tonight and got serious lower-back cramping 4 minutes in. Then when I was shopping tonight, I reached way back into the milk cooler to grab some cottage cheese, and my trap locked up something fierce. I massaged it down, but had this fear that I would fall over in the store clutching my back in pain! I even took 1.5 grams of Taurine before working out. I am going to invesitgate other solutions, and up my water in take to 1.5 gallons.

Originally posted by Robert DiMaggio
One thing I can say is that using M1T past 4 weeks did nothing for me personally, other than side effects, and going above 20mg's did nothing more except increase side effects, especially muscle cramping.

So, my next cycle will be M1T 20mg's for 4 weeks, stacked with 4-Derm 5 sprays AM & PM, followed by 3-4 weeks of E-Form 6 sprays AM & PM.

Prince, I thought you spoke highly of M1T?
I myself have been on a 2 week cycle of 15mg and other than what seems to be a possible better pump and maybe a bit more drive and energy....didn't really do much. I am wondering if the product was a hoax. I know how people can experience different reactions to products, but not that much of a difference. It really surprised me by reading Bulk Nutricians websites testimonials on the product. The majority claiming that the product added 10-15 pounds of body weight in just 2 weeks and like 25-30 lbs of added strength to their bench. I sure didn't seem to exerience even close to that. Sure wish I did.
What's your feed on that Prince?