Thread: 4 Derm at 200mg for 10 weeks

4ad becomes test and that definately does aromatize...you will see estrogenic effects on cycle...so yes nolva woruld be great

id altternate spots...it drys the skin somethin fierce...and extended use made my skin look alittle odd...had to visitt the dermatoligist about it

"lean bulk "

Isn't that kind of a myth? Hasn't this been disputed on a number of boards and threads, as a myth created by supp. companies looking to sell "lean" MRPs? Not busting any ballz here, just a side topic.

True, 4AD is the bedrock for many PH bulk cycles (as test is to gear cycles), but for leaning out, 4AD is a bad choice, due to armotization and water retention. However, for a bulking phase these are very desireable.

You can probably achieve your end goals in 10 weeks, and not do a PH the whole time.

I'd def. have Nolva onhand for any aromatizing PH run over 4weeks. PM for a good deal, or look on the board, someone recently posted to this end.

All this said...please post results or a log if you do go ten weeks straight on just 4AD! People rarely seem to run just 4ad, and I am very curious about what would transpire. I have thought of running transdermal 4ad straight, too, partly b/c it's so cheap, and partly b/c it's a test precusor.

PowerRabbit, does 4AD shut down natty test drastically / rapidly?

im running 4-ad by itself. im taking 6 squirts in the morning and 6 in the evening. i have been on it for 4 weeks now and am feeling it kick in, nice, great pumps and strength increases starting to occur. i am up 5 lbs, with some water retention, but not 2 bad. no bad sides, today i'm switching to noraderm for a couple weeks before running my pct. i really like the 4-ad, tryed m1t, but man that stuff was 2 strong 4 me.

oh yea, about skin irritation. my skin became a little red after a couple weeks, didn't alternate spots to often, but then the red color and irritation went away. also one thing to keep in mind is not everyone response the same to compounds.

Originally posted by SuperGlu
I'm considering using 4 derm at 5 squirts a day for 10 weeks straight while doing a lean bulk from 231 at 14% B.f. to 235 at 10%. Has anyone tried this?

Questions:
1) Do I use the same application spot every day?
2) Do I need Nolva on hand even though 4 ad doesn't aromatize?

Feedback please.

Rotate application spots.

I doubt you will see much at that dose, in terms of gains or side effects. Regardless you should always have nolva on hand for any cycle no matter what. Always.

Bulking without fat gain is difficult, bulking while losing fat is near-impossible without steroids, I would set a more attainable goal, otherwise you will just end up disappointed.

Originally posted by brodus

PowerRabbit, does 4AD shut down natty test drastically / rapidly?

bout as fast as any other PH...only things i know of that shut you down very fast and hard are deca and tren

Originally posted by Power Rabbit
bout as fast as any other PH...only things i know of that shut you down very fast and hard are deca and tren

Methyl 1-test also.........