Ma Huang

maniclion · 04-19-2004, 02:33 PM

So with the ban on Ephedra will Ma Huang be illegal to grow?

I think I can get it in it's natural state in Chinatown, I mean the guy has to have it he has almost anything else, from dried lizards hanging in his window to thousands of little drawers lining his walls. I'll just make my own mixture, green tea, a little honey, some ginseng, dash of ma huang. Anyone ever had it natural before?

**Mudge** · 04-19-2004, 04:48 PM

I'm thinking you'd have to eat an enourmous amount of plant to get the same worth, but I dunno.

maniclion · 04-19-2004, 05:11 PM

They have used it for 5000 years in it's natural form, much like brewing some tea or coffee.

How much is usually taken?
Standardized extracts supplying 12–25 mg of total alkaloids (calculated as ephedrine) per capsule or tablet may be taken. This form may be useful for monitoring total daily intake of ephedrine. A scientific review of ephedra safety4 says ephedra should be limited to no more than 30 mg per dose and no more than 90 mg per day of the ephedrine alkaloids. Use should be limited to six months or less5 . The crude powdered stems of ephedra (with less than 1% ephedrine) are used at 1.5–6 grams per day, taken as a tea.6 The crude herb can also be taken in capsule or tablet form, at 500–1,000 mg of ephedra two to three times daily. Tinctures of 1–4 ml three times per day can be taken.

samat631 · 04-19-2004, 11:16 PM

anyone wanna point me in a direction to attaining ephedra....new york can kiss my ass....

**Prince** · 04-19-2004, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by samat631
anyone wanna point me in a direction to attaining ephedra

ummm...you're about two days late bro.

you can still purchase ephedrine though.

samat631 · 04-19-2004, 11:38 PM

haha oh yea? hows that?

**Prince** · 04-19-2004, 11:39 PM

how's what?

samat631 · 04-19-2004, 11:40 PM

how can i buy ephedrine when it is banned in ny?

**Prince** · 04-19-2004, 11:48 PM

I am only aware of ephedra (herbal) being banned, not ephedrine.

samat631 · 04-19-2004, 11:56 PM

whats the difference between ephedra and ephedrine?

brodus · 04-20-2004, 12:09 AM

You can buy ma huang still, online and retail.

And ephedrine, both HCL and Sulphate.

This ban is so stupid. I have a cold, and my ECA opens my breathing and sinuses more reliably than any OTC crap.

There's an article on Yahoo news right now about the FDA "moving quickly" to get other "dangerous" products, like Bitter Orange and Kava Kava.

samat631 · 04-20-2004, 12:15 AM

whats better, ephedra Sulphate or ephedra hcl?

is it the same thing as ephedra?

**Mudge** · 04-20-2004, 01:23 AM

Ephedrine is still legal but not ephedra? I thought ephedrine was the first to go, but if thats true I WILL pick some up.

I never liked ephedra, it just doesn't do anything for me. Quite funny if that was banned and not the awesome ephedrine.

**Mudge** · 04-20-2004, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by brodus
Kava Kava.

Rough on the liver apparently.

Monolith · 04-20-2004, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Ephedrine is still legal but not ephedra? I thought ephedrine was the first to go, but if thats true I WILL pick some up.

I never liked ephedra, it just doesn't do anything for me. Quite funny if that was banned and not the awesome ephedrine.

Yeah, the FDA ban basically banned the marketing of ephedra as a supplement. Since ephedrine still has legitimate use as a bronchodilator, when its sold as such, the 'ban' cant touch it.

1fast sell's bottles of vasopro E-HCL for like $8.

samat631 · 04-20-2004, 11:47 AM

thats hilarious, this ban IS a joke.

**Prince** · 04-20-2004, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by samat631
thats hilarious, this ban IS a joke.

the FDA is a joke.

**Mudge** · 04-20-2004, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Monolith
Yeah, the FDA ban basically banned the marketing of ephedra as a supplement.

Thats a friggin relief, I dont care if it isn't advertised with fancy skinny people on it.

And screw ephedra

**Prince** · 04-20-2004, 01:20 PM

even if you do not use ephedra or like ephedra you should still be upset that it was banned, especially considering that the ban was completely unjust.

There is a great article in last month's (May 2004) MD that discusses the entire issue in depth.

(the current issue of MD is June 2004)

tomas101 · 04-20-2004, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mudge
Rough on the liver apparently.

actually it is...

04-19-2004, 02:33 PM	#1
maniclion Cartographer of the Mind Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mens Incognita Posts: 20,437 Photos: 10	Ma Huang So with the ban on Ephedra will Ma Huang be illegal to grow? I think I can get it in it's natural state in Chinatown, I mean the guy has to have it he has almost anything else, from dried lizards hanging in his window to thousands of little drawers lining his walls. I'll just make my own mixture, green tea, a little honey, some ginseng, dash of ma huang. Anyone ever had it natural before? "We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that." Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

04-19-2004, 04:48 PM	#2
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	I'm thinking you'd have to eat an enourmous amount of plant to get the same worth, but I dunno. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

04-19-2004, 05:11 PM	#3
maniclion Cartographer of the Mind Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mens Incognita Posts: 20,437 Photos: 10	They have used it for 5000 years in it's natural form, much like brewing some tea or coffee. How much is usually taken? Standardized extracts supplying 12–25 mg of total alkaloids (calculated as ephedrine) per capsule or tablet may be taken. This form may be useful for monitoring total daily intake of ephedrine. A scientific review of ephedra safety4 says ephedra should be limited to no more than 30 mg per dose and no more than 90 mg per day of the ephedrine alkaloids. Use should be limited to six months or less5 . The crude powdered stems of ephedra (with less than 1% ephedrine) are used at 1.5–6 grams per day, taken as a tea.6 The crude herb can also be taken in capsule or tablet form, at 500–1,000 mg of ephedra two to three times daily. Tinctures of 1–4 ml three times per day can be taken. "We are like tenant farmers chopping down the fence around our house for fuel when we should be using Natures inexhaustible sources of energy — sun, wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that." Thomas Edison: In conversation with Henry Ford and Harvey Firestone

04-19-2004, 11:39 PM	#7
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,405 Photos: 356	how's what? BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore IronMagLabs.com - Bodybuilding Nutrition AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders & Supplements CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding & Training Blog Maximizer.com - Maximum Strength for Maximum Performance MikeGetsRipped.com - The Original 'Get Ripped' Blog ProteinRoutine.com - Experiments in Healthy Living Follow on Twitter Join Facebook Group Befriend on Myspace

04-19-2004, 11:48 PM	#9
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,405 Photos: 356	I am only aware of ephedra (herbal) being banned, not ephedrine. BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore IronMagLabs.com - Bodybuilding Nutrition AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders & Supplements CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding & Training Blog Maximizer.com - Maximum Strength for Maximum Performance MikeGetsRipped.com - The Original 'Get Ripped' Blog ProteinRoutine.com - Experiments in Healthy Living Follow on Twitter Join Facebook Group Befriend on Myspace

04-19-2004, 11:16 PM	#4
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	anyone wanna point me in a direction to attaining ephedra....new york can kiss my ass....

04-19-2004, 11:38 PM	#6
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	haha oh yea? hows that?

04-19-2004, 11:40 PM	#8
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	how can i buy ephedrine when it is banned in ny?

04-19-2004, 11:56 PM	#10
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	whats the difference between ephedra and ephedrine?

04-20-2004, 12:09 AM	#11
brodus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 945	You can buy ma huang still, online and retail. And ephedrine, both HCL and Sulphate. This ban is so stupid. I have a cold, and my ECA opens my breathing and sinuses more reliably than any OTC crap. There's an article on Yahoo news right now about the FDA "moving quickly" to get other "dangerous" products, like Bitter Orange and Kava Kava.

04-20-2004, 12:15 AM	#12
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	whats better, ephedra Sulphate or ephedra hcl? is it the same thing as ephedra?

04-20-2004, 01:23 AM	#13
Mudge Dieting I swear! Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Here Posts: 23,477 Photos: 1	Ephedrine is still legal but not ephedra? I thought ephedrine was the first to go, but if thats true I WILL pick some up. I never liked ephedra, it just doesn't do anything for me. Quite funny if that was banned and not the awesome ephedrine. Kinesiology Comp Bench MaxCalc Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu

04-20-2004, 11:47 AM	#16
samat631 sammy Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Long island new york Posts: 191 Photos: 2	thats hilarious, this ban IS a joke.

04-20-2004, 01:20 PM	#19
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,405 Photos: 356	even if you do not use ephedra or like ephedra you should still be upset that it was banned, especially considering that the ban was completely unjust. There is a great article in last month's (May 2004) MD that discusses the entire issue in depth. (the current issue of MD is June 2004) BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore IronMagLabs.com - Bodybuilding Nutrition AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders & Supplements CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding & Training Blog Maximizer.com - Maximum Strength for Maximum Performance MikeGetsRipped.com - The Original 'Get Ripped' Blog ProteinRoutine.com - Experiments in Healthy Living Follow on Twitter Join Facebook Group Befriend on Myspace

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode