help me prove him wrong

brokeass122 · 05-19-2004, 09:04 PM

ok heres the story, my friend and i always argue about pro-hormone use as opposed to steroid usage but always in relation to less hard core steroids like decca or winny

he says that if i am going to use a pro hormone i should just be a man and jump on the juice because both can yeild the same negative side effects and i am relativly uninformed on these topics, i know some but no where near enough

So i feel that he is incorrect and taking a pro-hormone such as 1-test from say vpx would be much safer than a small cycle of decca so i guess what im asking is just for some info and yes i have read the post the prince made titled i belive and correct me if im wrong prohormones all the info you need or something to that effect but i still would like to know why my friend is correct in saying pro hormones are just as dangerous as the decca, or me saying that pro hormones are much safer

o yeah and any info that you can give me comes much appreciated thanks

kvyd · 05-20-2004, 04:04 AM

The side effects can be close to the same. The thing is PH's are legal. "real" juice isnt. so if legality is not an issue if you have the hook up just use real stuff, but that is if your know what your doing. I think you should definately read alot more before you put any of this in your body.

Twin Peak · 05-20-2004, 06:20 AM

A "prohormone" is a precursur to a hormone, so it is (in general) milder in effect and sides.

1-test is not a prohormone. It does not convert to anything, it is a steroid. However, it is legal.

It is milder than other illegal steroid because of its method of administration -- either oral or transdermal. This is inferior to injection.

Now, as to effects, and sides, its impossible to generalize, hormones/steroids, have various effects and sides, and you must look at each individual compound.

brodus · 05-20-2004, 09:39 AM

It all depends on how you define "Safe"

Yes, certain chemicals are intrinsically less prone to side-effects, but as TP poitned out, administration itsel can be unsafe if you don't know what you're doing.

Orals that are methylated are more harmful on your liver than injectables, but injectables bring risk of infection, need to aspirate to avoid hitting veins, etc.

I would argue that there are PHs anf PS combos coming out now that, while they don't impart some of the rapid gains that gear does, DO in fact have less sides for what you get. I'm speaking of M4OHN and M1,4ADD in particular.

Also, b/c they are illegal, buying steroids brings with it all the nasty "unsafe" crap that comes with buying any black market drug: no (or little) testing/quality control, shady dealers, etc.

Needles themselves create safety concerns that pills don't. Of course this applies to legal, injectable PHs too. You need to take extra precautions if you have kids, have guests over at the house, ask your friend to grab your belt from your gym bag, and so on.

Legality can be considered "safer" than breaking laws that could send you to prison, unless you consider unprotected butt sex with your cellmate a "safe" activity.

You're both kind of right b/c there are exceptions on both sides. M1T is a legal steroid, but as most users will tell you, potentially a very dangerous and powerful drug. Anavar is illegal without a prescrition, yet is safe enough for women and children.

brokeass122 · 05-20-2004, 11:35 AM

thanks for all the info guys and yes i do have a reliable hook up on gear so thats not a problem its just that I always thought that a pro hormone would be way safer than any steroid but i guess not so your basically saying if im gonna do it just go ahead and shoot up (obviously not that simple) o yeah legality is no issue to me.

Well i guess ill drop the prohormone idea then and get the real steroid, not now but maybe in like 6 months once i have more knowledge im tryin to learn as much as i can its just that there is so much to learn. thanks guys for all the help again

brodus · 05-20-2004, 11:52 AM

You never mentioned how old you are or how long you've been lifting?

There are other dangers if you are under 21 or don't have much training under your belt.

TrojanMan60563 · 05-20-2004, 07:34 PM

Hey Brokeass steroids are cheaper the supplements that are legal and render better results if used correctly. IMO there are some great PH and Pro Steroids out there but the cost doesn't cut it for me anymore. I would rather spend less and get more.

nR_Kris · 05-20-2004, 11:47 PM

any of u have tryed T-Bomb (1-Test)? i have, for about a month, but i did know nothing about this product i just looked at the bottle and like it and bought it....stupid thing i know, then i talked to some one who knew about roids and PH's and he told me not to take that stuff O_o (that was like 1 year ago i was a noob had no where to read or ask questions like this forum)

Spottieottie · 05-21-2004, 01:26 AM

Why do you have to wait until 21? Why not 20 or 19?
I know it has to do something with growth right? I thought that most people stop growing around 18, 19.
Maybe I don't know my human growth and development.

camarosuper6 · 05-21-2004, 01:18 PM

Injection/Transdermal are the safest way of administration. Much of the "safety" of a pro-horomone/steroid or an actual AAS has to do with its liver toxicitiy, which is GREATLY reduced using the afore mentioned methods.

Other than that, each steroid/pro-horomone has different advantages/disadvantages and different androgenic/anabolic profiles. Its a very individual case.

brodus · 05-21-2004, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Why do you have to wait until 21? Why not 20 or 19?
I know it has to do something with growth right? I thought that most people stop growing around 18, 19.
Maybe I don't know my human growth and development.

Because there is more to it than just your growth plates closing. (And you can still experience growth spurts up to a certain age, so 21 is considered a "Safe" age) One of the biggest is that your natural testosterone levels are so high at that young age, that it's a waste of PH, and you'll likely get sides but not much gains.

Additionally, you want a solid foundation to build on, and you don't build the foundation on PHs in youth, you build it on lots of experience eating right, training right, and sleeping right.

brokeass122 · 05-25-2004, 09:32 AM

o yeah im 21 or at least i will be in like 4 weeks and i have 2 years of experience of training, and thats a consistent 2 years no off and on crap

05-19-2004, 09:04 PM	#1
brokeass122 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: california Posts: 177	help me prove him wrong ok heres the story, my friend and i always argue about pro-hormone use as opposed to steroid usage but always in relation to less hard core steroids like decca or winny he says that if i am going to use a pro hormone i should just be a man and jump on the juice because both can yeild the same negative side effects and i am relativly uninformed on these topics, i know some but no where near enough So i feel that he is incorrect and taking a pro-hormone such as 1-test from say vpx would be much safer than a small cycle of decca so i guess what im asking is just for some info and yes i have read the post the prince made titled i belive and correct me if im wrong prohormones all the info you need or something to that effect but i still would like to know why my friend is correct in saying pro hormones are just as dangerous as the decca, or me saying that pro hormones are much safer o yeah and any info that you can give me comes much appreciated thanks

05-20-2004, 04:04 AM	#2
kvyd Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nor MI Posts: 1,130	The side effects can be close to the same. The thing is PH's are legal. "real" juice isnt. so if legality is not an issue if you have the hook up just use real stuff, but that is if your know what your doing. I think you should definately read alot more before you put any of this in your body.
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05-20-2004, 06:20 AM	#3
Twin Peak Peak Physiques™ Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NY Posts: 7,967	A "prohormone" is a precursur to a hormone, so it is (in general) milder in effect and sides. 1-test is not a prohormone. It does not convert to anything, it is a steroid. However, it is legal. It is milder than other illegal steroid because of its method of administration -- either oral or transdermal. This is inferior to injection. Now, as to effects, and sides, its impossible to generalize, hormones/steroids, have various effects and sides, and you must look at each individual compound.
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05-20-2004, 09:39 AM	#4
brodus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 945	It all depends on how you define "Safe" Yes, certain chemicals are intrinsically less prone to side-effects, but as TP poitned out, administration itsel can be unsafe if you don't know what you're doing. Orals that are methylated are more harmful on your liver than injectables, but injectables bring risk of infection, need to aspirate to avoid hitting veins, etc. I would argue that there are PHs anf PS combos coming out now that, while they don't impart some of the rapid gains that gear does, DO in fact have less sides for what you get. I'm speaking of M4OHN and M1,4ADD in particular. Also, b/c they are illegal, buying steroids brings with it all the nasty "unsafe" crap that comes with buying any black market drug: no (or little) testing/quality control, shady dealers, etc. Needles themselves create safety concerns that pills don't. Of course this applies to legal, injectable PHs too. You need to take extra precautions if you have kids, have guests over at the house, ask your friend to grab your belt from your gym bag, and so on. Legality can be considered "safer" than breaking laws that could send you to prison, unless you consider unprotected butt sex with your cellmate a "safe" activity. You're both kind of right b/c there are exceptions on both sides. M1T is a legal steroid, but as most users will tell you, potentially a very dangerous and powerful drug. Anavar is illegal without a prescrition, yet is safe enough for women and children.
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05-20-2004, 11:52 AM	#6
brodus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 945	You never mentioned how old you are or how long you've been lifting? There are other dangers if you are under 21 or don't have much training under your belt.
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05-20-2004, 11:35 AM	#5
brokeass122 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: california Posts: 177	thanks for all the info guys and yes i do have a reliable hook up on gear so thats not a problem its just that I always thought that a pro hormone would be way safer than any steroid but i guess not so your basically saying if im gonna do it just go ahead and shoot up (obviously not that simple) o yeah legality is no issue to me. Well i guess ill drop the prohormone idea then and get the real steroid, not now but maybe in like 6 months once i have more knowledge im tryin to learn as much as i can its just that there is so much to learn. thanks guys for all the help again

05-20-2004, 07:34 PM	#7
TrojanMan60563 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The U-S of A Posts: 2,965 Photos: 1	Hey Brokeass steroids are cheaper the supplements that are legal and render better results if used correctly. IMO there are some great PH and Pro Steroids out there but the cost doesn't cut it for me anymore. I would rather spend less and get more.

05-20-2004, 11:47 PM	#8
nR_Kris Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Tijuana, Mexico Posts: 284 Photos: 11	any of u have tryed T-Bomb (1-Test)? i have, for about a month, but i did know nothing about this product i just looked at the bottle and like it and bought it....stupid thing i know, then i talked to some one who knew about roids and PH's and he told me not to take that stuff O_o (that was like 1 year ago i was a noob had no where to read or ask questions like this forum)
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05-21-2004, 01:26 AM	#9
Spottieottie Stank you very much Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Spokane Posts: 111	Why do you have to wait until 21? Why not 20 or 19? I know it has to do something with growth right? I thought that most people stop growing around 18, 19. Maybe I don't know my human growth and development.
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05-21-2004, 01:18 PM	#10
camarosuper6 Back Home In SOCAL Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,344	Injection/Transdermal are the safest way of administration. Much of the "safety" of a pro-horomone/steroid or an actual AAS has to do with its liver toxicitiy, which is GREATLY reduced using the afore mentioned methods. Other than that, each steroid/pro-horomone has different advantages/disadvantages and different androgenic/anabolic profiles. Its a very individual case.
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05-25-2004, 09:32 AM	#12
brokeass122 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: california Posts: 177	o yeah im 21 or at least i will be in like 4 weeks and i have 2 years of experience of training, and thats a consistent 2 years no off and on crap

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