Thread: Bulk Nutrition Articles

I agree, he writes good, well referenced articles and they do not have any bias.

We are trying to get manufactures to give product to us for testing. It is just tough as very few "new products" come out. I'm not sure if we all want to see reviews on things everyone has used before.

I looked at the Metabolic Pump article and it brings up something that I see all the frickin time these days. Why is it that companies feel the need to add 72 ingredients that show clinical evidence of effectiveness, yet put all of the ingreidients in at 1/3 the dose that has been shown to be effective in clinical trials. Even worse is when they call it a proprietary blend and never disclose the doses contained. I call these phenomena the Cortislim effect, rigoddamndiculous.

I like Tolson's articles, though, they are great and very thorough. 1Fast, have you considered making a standard survey/questionnaire to send out with the product or is this what you have been doing?

I agree, its unfortunate that most products are underdosed.

As to the proprietary blend issue, many use that to cover up underdosing, but some of use do it so that novel products are not ripped off.

Originally Posted by Dale Mabry

Why is it that companies feel the need to add 72 ingredients that show clinical evidence of effectiveness, yet put all of the ingreidients in at 1/3 the dose that has been shown to be effective in clinical trials. Even worse is when they call it a proprietary blend and never disclose the doses contained. I call these phenomena the Cortislim effect, rigoddamndiculous.

it's called marketing.

because most companies are not really interested in producing supplements that work, they would rather spend the money on their labels and packaging, pro sponsors, and magazine ads. I guess they figure even if the product does not work there is enough consumers to continue buying it, also if they produce good enough ads (like MuscleTech) there will be enough of a placebo effect on these naive teens and they will continue to buy it. Or, once people stop buying it they just come out with a new and improved version and the circle start all over again.

as far as the proprietary blend, as TP said it's usually done so your formula cannot be duplicated, or at least not very easily seeing that you would have to pay a lab to find out the exact dosage of each ingrediant.

btw, I am listing my formula this way, not because it's underdosed, not in the least, I just do not want anyone cloning it cause it rocks!

Originally Posted by Twin Peak

I agree, its unfortunate that most products are underdosed.

As to the proprietary blend issue, many use that to cover up underdosing, but some of use do it so that novel products are not ripped off.

That sux that you can be ripped off so easily, too bad there isn't a way around this since it would help both companies and consumers.

Active Ingredients:
(Amount per 7.5g scoop)
Nitrous Malate™ (DiArginine Malate) - 2,500mg
Creatine Monohydrate - 2,000mg
Citral M™ (Citrulline Malate - 1,500mg
GuaniPro™ (Guanidino Propionic Acid - 500mg
VasoPhenol™ - 270mg
(Grape Seed Extract standardized to 95% OPCs & Ginkgo Biloba 28:11,
standardized to min. 3.0% ginkgolide B


They seem pretty straight forward with it. This is an expensive product to make. CM isn't cheap.

Originally Posted by 1Fast400

This is an expensive product to make. CM isn't cheap.

I assume you mean the Citrulline Malate?

They are completely straight up about it, but the problem is that you need 6 servings to equal the effective dose of CM. I don't know about the diarginine, though.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

btw, I am listing my formula this way, not because it's underdosed, not in the least, I just do not want anyone cloning it cause it rocks!

I must have missed something... Have you revealed your plans yet???

no

It was worth a try.

His plan? Whats going on here?

Prince, you got some monkeys locked in your cellar mixing chemicals?

well, actually I am mixing them in my bath tub, but don't tell anyone!