Reply With QuoteI would just stop the 4-AD, Nor-Andros are not very androgenic so you could probably continue with that one.
Should I Abandon PH Cycle?
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06-14-2004, 01:42 PM #1Member
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Should I Abandon PH Cycle?
I’m 10 days into a 21 day PH cycle ( 900mg oral Nordiol and 400mg transdermal 4-AD per day) and this morning my nipples feel tender and sensitive. There are no visible signs of bumps around the nipple area at this point. I’m sure this is the early stages of gyno and need quick advice on next steps. For PCT I have 2 bottles of 6-OXO and have just ordered Nolva which should be here in a couple of days. Should I abandon the cycle and start the Nolva as soon as it arrives? I assume this will only get worst if I continue with the Nordiol/4-AD. I would rather ditch the cycle than risk full blown gyno.
Any advice from experienced PH users is appreciated.
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06-14-2004, 01:51 PM #2I'm CEO, Bitch! ADMINISTRATOR
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06-14-2004, 01:52 PM #3Founder of GOSB SUPER MODERATOR
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I think alot of people misunderstand this as gyno. It is coming from estrogen in your cycle, but does not necessarily mean you will get gyno. At twice your dosage of 4/ad mine get sensitive, and itchy sometimes but never any worse. Since you don't have any lumps I would not panick. Estrogen makes you grow.......you could stay on for the next couple days and wait till your nolva gets here if it doesn't get any worse. If it does you can always stop and start your 6-oxo. It should clear up quickly. But I really don't think you have much to worry about.
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Estrogen makes you hold water, other than fascia stretching I wouldn't say it makes you grow.
Estrogen in high levels is not good for anyone.Motivation Bench form Charles Poliquin When I let go of what I am, I become what I might be. Lao-Tzu
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06-14-2004, 07:18 PM #5Founder of GOSB SUPER MODERATOR
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Yeah you can get too high. But most drugs that have good mass building properties, has aromatazation.
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Thanks for your input guys, particularly dg. I think I'll keep the cycle running while paying careful attention to any signs of gyno and will have Nolva at hand.
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06-15-2004, 10:38 AM #7training to be Goku
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is there any advantage to taking nolva during the cycle to help prevent gyno and other high estrogen related activites. I know some of your guys in AAS take arimidix (spelling?) in smaller doses during the cycle but those cycles are much longer than most PH/PS cycles
Thanks
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06-16-2004, 07:31 AM #8Founder of GOSB SUPER MODERATOR
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Nolva will help not getting gyno, but it will also stop some estrogen formation and possible gains. I have always felt that some water retention makes a better environment for muscle growth.
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06-16-2004, 07:50 AM #9training to be Goku
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ok thanks, I am just paranoid about all that stuff and have been putting off trying PH/PS. after a 4 week M1t/ 4ad cycle I was planning on doinga 4 week PCT of nolva 40mg/ed week 1, 30 mg/ed week 2&3, 20 mg/ed week 4. I wasnt talking about running doses that high during the cycle, I was thinking around 10 mg/ed or eod, Just didnt know if it was worth it.
Thanks
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