Thread: PH and booze don't mix

Wait until you get back from your outdoor event. I myself am going to Clear Lake on the 8-11th to camp and will be drinking and not working out. I am going to start my pro-hormone cycle when I get back. I guess if you wanted to do a short 2 week cycle before your trip you could, but I would just wait so you can do a longer cycle.

What are you using on your cycle?

No one person has comented on what I have chosen to use, I hope to get some info. I'm going to use LMR Equilone and Primotest for now then we'll see what kind of results I get. I also got some RedZone for a boost before workout and for burning fat even more. Thanks for asking! I hope to get some info on it or something just like it. that would be great!

The PH's youve chosen arent so hot. Equilone looks like its just andro, and Primotest looks like its just 1-test (and for that matter, both look underdosed).

That aside, however, you really shouldnt be drinking while using any oral steroid (that goes x2 for methylated stuff). You can probably get away with a drink here and there, but personally, i wouldnt. Its your liver.

I'm cycling 1-AD Extreme by IDS. Stocked up huge since the ban is going to happen soon.

what are some of the things you would suggest for me to use. I don't want to get huge I just want to get fair sized but with a real hard cut look and low body fat, as little water as possible. I don't want to use anyhing methylated, at least not yet because this is my first stack/cycle on anything of this nature. Will it be a good idea to buy some high strength PH's before the ban or wait and see how this goes. Any idea as to what I will possibily achieve with the right diet and hard work with this stack? Thanks again this place has been a real help

Check out the stickied PH threads on the forums at www.1fast400.com, they should answer all your questions pretty comprehensively.

Dude, I say totally wait until after the 11th. Your hedonist weekend is the antithesis of the perfect PH cycle routine, and would waste a lot of money on top of it.

How old are you? Would this be your first cycle? Have you hit a plateau? What's your diet and training like? These are all the first questions to ask, before the "can I get wasted while taking PHs" question. If you want moral support for boozing and then taking pills to get "big," there are other dubious forums from which to get high fives and ass slaps, but here we generally recommend a lot of solid working out, dieting, and sleeping until you hit a plateau before considering PHs.

I figured it out, your 20 years old, and you're 174 @ 5'8".

So you are younger than a person should be who is going to take PHs, and one of your first posts is about boozing it up while on your first cycle.

No offense, but that's kind of the opposite of the way people that are concerned with long-term health and fitness do things.

You're test levels are most certainly way adequate (unless you booze a lot or smoke a lot of herb, in which case you might have very low test).

I would say that if you can't make great gains naturally right now, the PHs are going to do nothing for you. Save your money, man. Buy a better tent for the campout! Seriously, just hit the gym, vary your workouts, eat big, take time off to avoid overtraining, sleep at least 8 hours a night, maybe throw some creatine in the mix every once in a while, and you should grow, for sure. Most people would very much like to have the test levels naturally of a 20-yr. old. I wouldn't screw with them by adding an underdosed PH like LMR.

Also, I know you probably read a lot of adds and get stuck in the mentality that every type of action a person takes needs a corresponding supplement, but do you feel you need Redline? If not, why buy it?

To be honest with you, I know my Test levels are low for 20, I stopped growing when I was 17 and I'm closing in on 21 real soon. I know some people seem to think that test levels in men the age of 21 are high but mine are not, I assure you of that. I get the right amount of sleep, a sound diet and a fair training plan that get me enough off time for proper recovery. My cardio is a bit light, but I do push it a bit every time to gain stamina. I'm not looking to get real big just a bit more mass but I was a real lean cut look. I don't want to look like a retard and have my elbows at a 90 degree angle all the time because I'm so jacked. WHY? I'm not trying to offend anyone here at all and sorry if I did and in no way am I knocking your advice, if anything I like the fact that people are trying to help! I just feel as if it is a must for me to take a PH to get to the point I want to be at and that this is a good real slow start.

Do you have any suggestions for PH's that are not methylated, to much stress on the liver and other vital organs for me at this point. Thanks

Brodus is right. Unless you eat and train properly(and to me that includes no alcohol), PH's will not help at all! You will just be wasting your money. You need to get training and diet in line before anything else. Increased calories is what will make you grow!

I never did plan on starting the cycle untill after the 11th, I know it is a real bad idea not just for the body stress but for the waste of time and effort put forth in the weeks before and after. I'm not a big drinker at all and I mean maybe once a month I'll drink and actually get drunk and that in it self is a bold statement. I'd say I'll at the most I have 1-2 drinks a week, say a glass of wine with dinner if I go out for a nice night out, or say a (1) beer or 2 (2 being the most) if I'm watching the game with the gyus but that's say every second week in most cases and you can't go and tell me that this will put an effect on everyrhing I worked for enough to say I'm wasting my time. At least I hope not

Well, it's your body, your call. We've spoken,and given you the advice that works for certain...whether or not alcohol will ruin everything for you, who knows? It could--why risk it? Especially if you're going on a camping bender...save the $! Hell, buy better booze! I know you think you have tried everything, but I don't think anyone who is 20 has reached a plateau...look at competitive athletes...you don't reach your peak until your 30s...I'm 28 and get better strength and weight gains from strict dieting/training/sleeping than I did from the lone M1T cycle I ran.

You have to understand that alcohol is:
1. A CNS depressant
2. A cortisone agonist that, particularly in males, releases lots of fat-producing cortisone in the ab area
3. Is catabolic
4. Is amotivational when it comes to working out
5. Forces the body to meabolize itself before any food you eat, dramatically slowing down your metabolism
6. Interferes with red blood cell loading of oxygen

You may think we're being harsh--it just depends on your goals. I'll tell you that when I ran college track, my times in the 800 would be up to 2 seconds slower if I drank the day/night before.

Since you don't really want to "get huge" or compete, why take PHs in the first place??

read......I'M NOT GOING TO START THE CYCLE UNTILL AFTER THE 11TH.
I'll start a week after to get back to a proper diet and to get my sleep back to normal as well.I do thank you for all the help and advice. you make it sound like everything you tell me goes right over my head and I don't seem to listen. I will take your advice and will not drink. If you have any Diet ideas for me that would help, I have one kind of made up for when I start but input is always god. thanks

actually ph's and booze do mix very well................just throw them all in a blender on high for a while and you will have a smooth consistency