Thread: Tribulus & 6-OXO?

yes, as long aas it's high quality Tribulus with 20% Protodioscin, like the product I am producing: http://ironmaglabs.com/anabolic-matrix.html

Take them together? - or Tribulus for the 1st 6-8 weeks followed by a few weeks on the 6-OXO?

thanks again

I don't think you'll see any results from 6-OXO for anything other than PCT. As for Trib I've never seen any decent studies proving it increases luteinizing hormone like the marketing suggests.

If you're really convinced this is a good idea you might consider Instone Nutrition's Forza-T, which contains 6-OXO, Trib and ZMA.

Originally Posted by NJ-Chris

Take them together?

Yes, take them together, I would say for a 4 week cycle.

Originally Posted by redspy

If you're really convinced this is a good idea you might consider Instone Nutrition's Forza-T, which contains 6-OXO, Trib and ZMA.

there is not enough Tribulus in Forza-T to be effective unless you took 3 doses per day (1 bottle would last 5 days) which would be 900mg's of 6-OXO, which is much higher than needed, and putting ZMA in there was just plain stupid, a waste actually.

actually even 3 doses would not really be enough Tribulus, they only put 190mg's in there.

Originally Posted by redspy

As for Trib I've never seen any decent studies proving it increases luteinizing hormone like the marketing suggests.

I am not going to argue with that, but this is the best I can give you: http://ironmaglabs.com/articles_tribulus.html

I think once the andro ban goes into effect we're going to see a lot more supplements like Triublus hitting the market.

I agree with Prince. There will most certainly be a flood of Trib. products post-ban.

I have actually read a translated version of the Russian study on LH and Tribulus, and it does raise LH levels.

I also have take sizable doses of Trib. @ 45% protod., and I feel it works well in a PCT protocol. I really don't care what people say about it, because it works for me, it's cheap, and it's legal.

Originally Posted by brodus

I also have take sizable doses of Trib. @ 45% protod

damn, do you remember the brand? it was expensive and difficult for me to get 20% protodiscin in mine.

Yeah, same brand as the Vitamin C you were selling: NOW Foods:

Check it out:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/trib.html

Originally Posted by brodus

I have actually read a translated version of the Russian study on LH and Tribulus, and it does raise LH levels.

But the key question is: did the LH have any measurable effect stimulating an increase in free test levels, which is what we're all looking for?

Personally I don't think the dosage matters as it isn't an effective supplement. Perhaps someone can show me a valid study and I'll eat humble pie.

oh, that is not 20% proto., it's 45% saponins, not the same thing at all, if it were it would be more expensive than $8.49

you will definitely have to try Anabolic-Matrix! it is a true 20% proto. and 70% saponins. and 750mg's per dose!

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I am not going to argue with that, but this is the best I can give you: http://ironmaglabs.com/articles_tribulus.html

Okay, I'll take a look and also check out Pubmed.

I'm not trying to diss your products, once you have a good line up I'll be one of the first to check them out.

Originally Posted by redspy

Perhaps someone can show me a valid study and I'll eat humble pie.

I cannot show you any studies on M1T but I can guarantee the shit works as well as any illegal oral steroid.

Oops, I stand corrected. I didn't realize the difference between saponins and protod.

That must be some potent shiaat! I can feel the stuff I'm using, so a 75% extract must be intense.

Re: M1T studies: Yeah, I was really tied up in the studies until I tried it, and then I realized just how powerful it is. I added something like 8 pounds in 2 weeks @ 5mg a day, and kept 6.5.

Re: Tribulus: For $8.50 you can buy a bottle and see for yourself. That's the best advice I can give. It is a small investment. NO I DON'T SELL IT OR WORK FOR ANY RETAILERS--this is what I would advise anyone.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

I cannot show you any studies on M1T but I can guarantee the shit works as well as any illegal oral steroid.

I agree sometimes you have to make a leap of faith or trust in anecdotal evidence from others, but I'm at a point where I don't want to waste money on supplements. When sticking with the basics like whey protein, creatine, a multivitamin etc you can't go wrong. I've tried PHs even though there are few studies that prove they are effective and worth the side effects. Even with good PCT, diet and intense workouts I curious if I will sustain those gains, only time will tell I guess.

Re: Tribulus: For $8.50 you can buy a bottle and see for yourself. That's the best advice I can give. It is a small investment. NO I DON'T SELL IT OR WORK FOR ANY RETAILERS--this is what I would advise anyone.

What effects did you see? I have sampled one bottle (ON's) and the only thing I noticed was serious woody's in the morning, I guess that ties into the studies Prince posted.

well, even Tribulus is only going to raise your T levels to "high normal", but long term that is very beneficial, and the older you get the more beneficial a supplement like the one I am making will be, also for PCT as brodus talked about.

if your T levels are at 600ng (that is normal) right now and a product like mine raises them to 900ng is that not going to help you make gains long term? I think so.

if your T levels are at 600ng (that is normal) right now and a product like mine raises them to 900ng is that not going to help you make gains long term? I think so.

Okay, send a free sample and cover my bloodwork costs and you've got a deal j/k

unless you have insurance to cover it, a T test is about $90.00

but if you're serious I will consider doing this.

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

unless you have insurance to cover it, a T test is about $90.00

but if you're serious I will consider doing this.

I will definitely try this in a few weeks - thanks for the offer of product. I'm one week into PCT now so my test levels are suppressed and that would obviously skew the results. After 3 more weeks of Nolva and some additional time let's talk. Cheers.

okay, I am still waiting on my product, so a few weeks would be good.

one of the ingrediants is holding up the production for a month now.

Prince:
Check this out-->minimum 15% protod., 80%+ total sponinis: 50 GRAMS for $25

https://www2.acadia.net/cgi-bin/BAC/...id=243835_5857

Im lost here. What are saponins and prod? And how can you tell what percentage there are in a bottle? Im sitting here looking at a label from a Vitamin Shoppe Tribulus and I see nothing as far as percentages. No Prod, but it says 300mg saponins.

For now, i want to wait for the ironmaglabs version to come out and see the reviews... would this be a valuable purchase and why/why not?
http://www.thevitaminshoppe.com/brow...e=SearchResult

Well, it depends...

There are two things being measured, Saponins (a raw measurement of all possible active ingredients) and Protodioscin (the acutal active that has the positive effects). You want the highest concentration of Protodioscin possible. There is probably a strong correlation btwn. the amount of Protodioscin and the percentage of Saponins, so the higher the better.

The supp. you listed has 40% Saponins. There are supplements available with 80%.

Prince, how about we do a double blind study of your new product.

How long will it take for it to show results? A 30 day supply?

Here is what we do, you send me 3 30 day supplies. I'll have an equal number of placebo caps made.

You pick 6 people here to test, and I'll mail either your product or a placebo.

Then we see what happens. It would be nice if we had before and after blood test as well.

Perhaps adding a second control group (One with a subpar tribulus product) could add credibility to the assertion that Prince's product is superior because of it's concetration. Keep the dosage the same, just use a lower concentration (<20% protod.) This would make it far more worthwhile to Prince, Robert Diamggio or whatever the hell he is calling himself today.