Tribal

So what is the diff from one to the other in terms of gains. I see the diff on paper because of whats in the proudct but how are the gains going to differ as well as the side effects? I'm about to make the but on monday and I just want to make sure I'm getting the right proudct.....I did hear that M1-D is not for everyone but please tell me more! Thanks!

Luke9583

The way it has been described to me, is that M1D is like M1T but is also excellent at cutting. And the M1D is slightly more mild. M1D also has far fewer side effects and is taken in much lower doses.

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

Tribal

I seem to take very well to mass gains but I have a hard time cutting. Right now I'm just on day 7 of a 6 week cycle of 1-test and EQ. and I have put on few pounds as well I have a much more dense look and feel and strength has gone up. From what I understand and have read the gains pick up a great deal after the second week with these proudcts....but I'm thinking that I may have battle with gyno if I go with the M1-T so will that be as bad with M1-D? I have all PCT ready to go with Nolva on hand (on order I hope)
So M1-D is better for cutting?

Pirate!

MD can be used for longer periods of time. M1T has a 4 week max. No fear of gyno with either, especailly M1T. Know this: M1T has serious sides and works great for bulking. People are having great success cutting with MD and almost no sides. The MD takes about 3 weeks to kick in, but you can cylce it for 6-8 weeks at moderate dosages. If you are cutting, definately go with MD. If you want to try M1T, you must stack it with something or you will feel like a pile of bricks. I stack with 4-AD (as do many others), but this is for bulking. Read this: http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ethyldienolone (Methyldienolone)

Tribal

what is the most prodominant side?

Deadly13

(Whats Your Opinon On My Advance Workout Program) Can I Get Some Opinons In that Thread

Purdue Power

What is anyone suggestion for the time that I should take between bulking with M1T and leaning with M1D?

5'8 1/2, 225lbs

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Pirate!

I have been informed that the conservative approach is time on = time off, and time on includes PCT. An example would be:

Week 1-4 on
Week 5-8 pct
Week 9-17 off
Week 18 on, etc.

I consider this conservative, at least. I reccomend blood work between cycles. Health should be a priority. Personally, I think that if your health (and blood work) is fine, then you can go on again begining week 13. There is a guy on this forum who has run 4 M1T cycles (4 weeks on each time) in one year. He has put on 30 lbs. This probably comes at a cost to his health, though. MD isn't supposed to be as hard on the liver as M1T.

Ron Paul

Luke9583

You can stilll bulk with MD, just eat enough
I"m at week 3, I have a great strength gain. I've gained 4.5lbs and lost 2% bf.

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

redspy

Have you considered M4OHN or M1,4ADD? I've seen some good cutting cycle logs with these compounds.

Purdue Power

I havn't read too much on either the M4OHN or the M1,4ADD yet. I am starting to mass my stack for my M1T cycle. Three other guys are starting the same time that I am, two of which have done real gear before and are excited to try this stuff. I am not going to worry too much about my cutting cycle until the time nears a little more, unless the ban gets pushed forth more, and I will go ahead and buy everything. If ph/ps's do get banned, I have little doubts that I will be convinced to move to real gear. I know that ph/ps's aren't exactly the safest things in themselves, but I'm not going to go black market to get them when I can get something that is more thoroughly tested for results and safety.

5'8 1/2, 225lbs

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Dream as though you'll live forever,
Live each day like it's you last.
Love like you've never been hurt.
Tomorrow is never promised.

Pirate!

Strange how proper use of AS seems to be more healthy than some PS/PH cycles. If you are worried about the ban, buy a 3 years supply of the best PH/PS. They are all relatively cheap.

Ron Paul

Purdue Power

Should I just stock up on M1t/4Derm for bulking and M1D for cutting? What is good to stack with M1D, 1,4AD?

5'8 1/2, 225lbs

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Dream as though you'll live forever,
Live each day like it's you last.
Love like you've never been hurt.
Tomorrow is never promised.

Pirate!

I personally overstocked on M1T/4-AD before I realized how serious M1T is. You might want to consider different kinds of PH/PS. You have to find out what works for you and how it effects your health. Like redspy mentioned M1,4ADD is looking good right now. After you do a cycle of M1T, then you will be in a better position to decide if that is the route you want to take for the long run.

Ron Paul

stu_20_uk

Doesnt 4-AD aromatize and therefore if your doin a M1T 4-AD stack ther IS a chance of gettin gyno

- A hardcore bodybuilder is one who thinks that vomiting after the last set of squats is such a waste of protein.

redspy

4-AD does not aromatize so there is unlikely to be any serious estrogen related problems. The target hormone, testosterone, may aromatize so you may want some Nolvadex or Femara on hand if you see gyno symptoms developing.

Luke9583

Hmmmm, could anybody please post some detailed high res. pics of "gyno symptoms"....... in females for me?

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

Pirate!

Gyno is possible, but unlikely with proper dosing of 4-AD. I concur with redpsy's comment on it. M1T won't cause gyno, though.

Ron Paul

redspy

Try a search here:- http://www.thehun.net

Pirate!

I presume you posted this for "research" purposes.

Ron Paul

redspy

Well, think about it like this: if you need to test your post-cycle libido levels and tent pitching abilities just go to the site and see what happens.