Luke9583

I did a search, and couldn't find alot on M-AD, just VPX advert's and threads of people telling people not to stack M 4AD with another methylated compound. (or any two methylated compounds for that matter).

Well I ran into this.... http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/legal/4ad.html . Are they trying to kill people? And where can I find some regular 4ad or 4derm?

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

Pirate!

Yeah, it is strange that they say you can stack it with M1T. http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=817 This 4-AD is awesome stuff, Luke. Best price, too. I got about 5 or 6 bottles. I feel great, even though I am taking 20 M1T. I had a hard time busting a nut this morning--because of the M1T, though. I'd be suprised if you could find a more effective 4-AD product or find this one for cheaper. It's half price! Are you planning another M1T cycle?

redspy

Although the common wisdom is that you shouldn't stack two methyls I see alot of people stacking M1T + M5AA. Personally I think one methyl is enough stress on your liver as it is.

I agree with Pirate on the 4-Derm, it's great for combating lethargy and libido loss on-cycle.

BTW Here's an awesome thread on Anabolicminds.com regarding liver stress during an M1T cycle. Thye thread started has comprehensive blood tests every few days and posts feedback:-

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/showt...2&page=1&pp=30

Pirate!

I read that whole thread. It was very interesting (and time consuming). But this guy was drinking like a fish, doing drugs, missing sleep, and for a week he hardly worked out. The test and LH levels were of particular interest. I am now 2 weeks into M1T and I imagine that my natural test is 0 and my LH is 0. I can tell my immune system is weak. It is simply amazing how quickly my body recovers after intense workouts, though. I'm just going to go hardcore with my dosing and working out for 2 more weeks. I will post my pre-cycle and post pct blood work in about 6 weeks from now.

Luke9583

Dont get used to the recovery! you're still using nox3 too right? On my off cycle, I noticed how difficult to recover it was. I am always really sore now ?!?!?

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

Pirate!

I won't get used to it. I would expect recovery to be awful during PCT with little test production. I will just eat plenty, up my L-glutamine and BCAAAs, and lighten up my volume and intesity so has to avoid catabolism--ant take a pile of tamox to get the little guys working again. I can tell this M1T is putting serious stress on my immune system. I hope I don't get sick. That would really stunt progress. I have 2 weeks from today to go. Seems like a long journey.

Luke9583

It's a fun one tho thanks for the source of 4derm! bought 4 bottles.

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

Pirate!

I am two weeks in and still on my first bottle of 4-AD. I just went up to 8 sprays a day, too. Man, that stuff gives you the most bang for the buck (except M1T)! Damn, Luke. Everytime I workout my lower back on this shit, I can hardly walk for half an hour. I was cramping up just stretching my legs before even working out. I don't know how you started dosing at 20 mg/day. I almost asked for a wheel chair at the gym to get me to my car.

Luke9583

Towards the end, I got HORRIBLE cramps when I was sitting. They were only in my legs and ass though. I would get them from sitting in an odd position or something. "cramps" really doesn't do them justice. All the people out there that haven't expirienced m1t yet, should know that cramps is more like mega-mofo cramps. (or something like that).

Maybe cramping is worse when the m1t is stacked? I only had mild lower back tension.

New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf

"She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"