Tha Don

I'm about to go on a cut to trim down a bit for the start of the bball season, i got a lot of fat round my arse and backs of legs which NEEDS to GO!, my upper body is already pretty naturally lean I'#d still like to get better cuts on the arms/abs n' all that, obviously i'd like to use a oral product to help get my overall BF down fast and maybe a cream to use on da lower body/abs so i'm looking off da hook for the Uni galz

le me know what cutting supplements you guys rate, prefrably well known ones as i live in the UK and there is a lot of cutting edge stuff in the states that i can't get hold of (but i can try)

thanks

madden player

I've been away from the iron for 3 yrs, but in my 7 yrs of lifting experience I have found the ECA stack to be the best. Perhaps there is something better now??.

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gopro

A good E/C/Y stack or VPX REDLINE, plus Avant's topical Lipoderm Ultra.

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truth

What would you define as a good ECY stack..

Mayo mentioned in another thread about how 200mg Caffeine isn't the optimal dosage..do you know anything about this?

Currently I'm using 1 vasopro + 100mg caffeine + 2.5mg Y(HCL)

Per Dante..I'm thinking of re-assessing my tolerance, but not sure if I need to bump up both E and Y, or just E..

Tha Don

where can I get this ECY stack from, are there any products which are good examples

I'll look out for redline and i also plan to get some Lipoderm Ultra and Absolved, use the lipoderm 1st on the legs n maybe arms n' c how that goes, then absolved after to bring up the 6pack, seem like a good idea?

also what are your views on lean system 7 and san's tight? any good?

also i have a stash of CLA, should i use this while cutting or post cut to try and keep my BF low?

thanks

Pirate!

CLA while cutting (if at all). ECA= Ephedra, Caffeine, & Asprin--not ECY. I like Lean System 7 personally. Lipo-6 by Nutrex is VERY popular for fat loss. Trimax might be the best, though. Use the search option and shop around. I'd say don't bother with topicals. Sounds you will be sweeting a lot, anyway.

juggernaut

Green tea, CLA and caffiene seem to work for me.

madden player

Could you add the Y to the ECA??

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truth

You are able to..but I would advise to only do it if you are well aware of your EC and stimulant tolerance

young d: have you used an EC stack before? if you have not, you can try stacking a Vasopro with a caffeine tablet, and voila, you've got your EC stack
One thing I would suggest is to cut that caffeine tablet in half, and only take half of it with your Vasopro
Caffeine dependency can be a bitch if you ever want to get off the stack quickly or you forget your pills at home, so cycling on and off EC may be a good idea for you

You can purchase bottles of Vasopro and Caffeine tablets from Bulknutrition.com

Using LipoUltra or Absolved solely depends on what type of fat you are trying to target..the LipoUltra will target subQ fat which is fat over the muscle, the stuff that you can pinch and jiggles..whereas Absolved targets VAT (visceral) fat underneath your muscle (this fat under your abs can actually be harfmul for your health)
Many say that one of these two products will work for one person and the other won't

I've tried LipoUltra and liked the results..I've yet to crack open my bottle of Absolved at home

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If you have some time, carefully read this thread and learn a bit more about EC stacks and thermogenics..

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...light=Dante%2A

A better stack would be EC orally and Y-HCL transdermally (LipoUltra), but an oral ECY stack is also beneficial.

gopro

I don't bother with the aspirin actually...but sure you can add yohimbine to that stack! You can also add T2 and usnic acid if you want to go nuts! With all of that this would be you all day

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truth

Sounds just like me...I've leaned out my upper body a lot..but my lower body is still huge..my calves and thighs have a lot of mass on them, both fat and muscle..need to get rid of that damn fat for definition :\

they say abs are made in the kitchen and not in the gym..
supplements will help, but lowering BF is mostly about proper nutrition....make your body burn fat...get the metabolism going high, do HIIT, total body workouts..

kvyd

heh... yup

Kevin


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juggernaut

definitely

trHawT

I'd have to go with Pirate: Lean System 7.

-trHawT-

Tha Don

thanks for the adivce/replies

my worst area has to be my arse and legs for fat storage and lack of definition, so bearning that in mind i will go with the lipo ultra as i hear you can use that on the whole body and then try the absolved to get the abs ripped (its just them bottom 2 that never want to come through)

as for the other supps. i would buy that stuff from bulknutrition but i'm in the UK which might be a porblem US sites normally won't let me order with the card I have, I'll try and find some E C A and Y IF i can find it at a good price over here, a lot of stuff is a rip off in this country

do you reckon the lean system 7, CLA and sprays along with a good diet and weights/cv plan will work well?

Tha Don

ah i have a caffeine, green tea and willow bark product already from my last cut, could prob use that up before or after i go on the lean system 7, or at the same time? might help?

peace

Pirate!

Add ephedrine to your "caffeine, green tea and willow bark product" and you have an eca stack. Don't do the ECA and Lean System 7 at the same time. You will have an anxiety attack. Try different products, as your body will get used to anything and if your body gets used to a product it will lose it's efficacy.

truth

So you are claiming that EC loses its effects? Yes, your body will build a tolerance to it's stimulant effects, but not necessarily it's fat burning / thermogenic effects...

Pirate!

Your body will get a tolerance to any drug and some level of dependency on drugs that stimulate your central nervous system. EC will not lose it's effect, but it will be diminished. It is optimal to alternate supplements periodically for this reason. But, this guy only needs to lose a few stubborn pounds, and will doubtfully require the use of a "cutting" supplement for a prolonged period. Therefore, he could pick one product or ECY and stick with just that until he achieves his desired results. But, it isn't wise to stay on any stimulant indefinately. Additionally, the Lean System 7 is supposed to be cycled (6 weeks, I believe) because of the 7-oxo in it.

Tha Don

ok in that case where do i get the Ephedrine from? do they sell it in caps? or powder or what? and how much will i need to take with my caffeine product?

reckon i should do the LS7 1st or the EC 1st or don't it matter?

also will the lipoderm work well on my arse, that is deff where most of my fat storage is prob is it is baby fat so i hope that stuff will work, will lipoderm work on the abs just as good as absolved or should i buy both (i'm thinking if lipoderm is better at spot reduction why not just use that?)

appriciate the help pirate

Pirate!

Don't know about baby fat or all the spray-on-fatbegone supps. Buy this:http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=50 for the ephedrine. Others will have to advise you on how much of each. If you are going to do the ECY, you will mix that ephedrine with this: http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=106 and this: http://www.bulknutrition.com/advance...=&dto=&x=0&y=0 . Like I said, how much of each for the perfect stack is a matter of opinion. If you have enough of your "caffeine, green tea and willow bark product" lying around still, all you will need to add is the ephedrine. If all this is too complicated, and you just want to get one product, go with 3 bottles of Lean System 7 or 2 bottles of Lipo-6: http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=664. You can add a little ephedrine to either one if you like.