New pricing on Legal Gear Methyl 1 Test

mikeb · 08-09-2004, 05:07 PM

Just wanted to let board members know that Millennium Fitness has negotiated some great prices with Legal Gear on their new Methyl 1-Test methyl gelcaps.
Same product but with the gelcaps you can store these for years in the refrig.
Our new price on this is $33.79 for 80 gelcaps. We hope to also be lowering prices on most if not all their other products shortly.

For more info Check out Legal Gear Methyl 1-Test Here

Luke9583 · 08-09-2004, 09:11 PM

those better be 10mg at least.

**Pirate!** · 08-09-2004, 09:30 PM

overpriced

mikeb · 08-09-2004, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke9583

those better be 10mg at least.

10mg gelcaps.
I personally don't know anyone selling LEGAL GEAR for less. I could be wrong but doubt it

mikeb · 08-09-2004, 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

overpriced

Compared to who? And what brand?

**Pirate!** · 08-09-2004, 11:11 PM

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=901
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/m1t.html
http://www.massnutrition.com/product...IDS&item=ID027 @ 10 mg.
For Legal Gear, you have a good price though.

redspy · 08-09-2004, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=901
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/m1t.html
http://www.massnutrition.com/product...IDS&item=ID027 @ 10 mg.
For Legal Gear, you have a good price though.

The UL M1T is a hard price to beat at Bulknutrition.

mikeb · 08-09-2004, 11:37 PM

I'm not going to bag on competitors but I will say this:
For name brand products we compete with everyone, even bb.com who is not that cheap considering how huge they are.
The problem with m1t though is that as soon as Legal Gear showed it could be done, as soon as we (Millennium Fitness) showed that you didn't have to pay an arm and a leg (yes we were the first and got slammed for it), every no-name company with a pill pressing machine started making it.

As the owner of Millennium Fitness and the guy who has to answer all the "whys, "where's" and "what if's", I prefer to not sell "Joes' Methyl 1-Test".

Just my 2 cents.

**Prince** · 08-09-2004, 11:45 PM

understandable, but at the same time many well known companies use inferior ingrediants and this has been shown in independant lab reports. I will not even bother listing some of the big names that did not meet their label claims.

feel free to have my product tested, I am 100% certain it will pass.

topolo · 08-09-2004, 11:45 PM

If I made a methyl 1 test.......would you sell it?

KataMaStEr · 08-09-2004, 11:51 PM

Some people just want to buy the product not the name. My .02 cents

**Prince** · 08-09-2004, 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KataMaStEr

Some people just want to buy the product not the name. My .02 cents

Right!

However, who can you trust?

this is the problem, and that is why I am putting a real name and face behind IronMagLabs.

topolo · 08-09-2004, 11:57 PM

I only trust you Rob!

**Prince** · 08-09-2004, 11:58 PM

well, at least I am "touchable" you can talk to me everyday and hopefully people feel that I am trustworthy.

Luke9583 · 08-10-2004, 06:49 AM

My Higher power did the trick just fine

CHEAP!

**dg806** · 08-10-2004, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

well, at least I am "touchable" you can talk to me everyday and hopefully people feel that I am trustworthy.

Being available to answer questions is one of the biggest gripes by consumers I see. It means alot.

mikeb · 08-10-2004, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

Right!

However, who can you trust?

this is the problem, and that is why I am putting a real name and face behind IronMagLabs.

True Rob but I know a LOT of faces in the industry. Who knows if their products are what they say? This is ABSOLUTELY NOT meant to imply that your product is not 100% legit. I have no doubt that it is.
Rather, it is why I feel that the ONE regulation in the supp industry should be that independent testing of products should be mandatory to insure that what's on the label is in the bottle and nothing hidden has been added.

mikeb · 08-10-2004, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KataMaStEr

Some people just want to buy the product not the name. My .02 cents

Yes. And you also tend to pay more for the name brands (e.g. Muscletech, EAS, VPX etc) due to their advertising and "perceived" value
But still, if you want to buy a bottle of M1T for 9 bucks..go for it. And what happens when the next guy sells it for $7?

I know that supplements can be expensive but hey..it's your liver.

While the industry is not regulated, there *are* still some companies that stand behind their products. The sheer volume of fly by night asswipe companies that are selling "methylated" products is nauseating. They file a DBA (cost: $10), get a resellers license (cost: free), buy the bulk powder, contract with a pill maker and voila! They're now in the supplement business. People bag on the industry yet the same people who do this are sometimes the first to go out and look for the absolute cheapest product. Amazing.

redspy · 08-10-2004, 12:38 PM

Supplement companies can be proactive and seek product verification from organizations like consumerlabs.com and uspverified.org. Although these organizations have rigorous testing they don't have great awareness among consumers.

USP has certified supplement brands like Schiff and Kirkland Signature (Costco) and others. I have personally worked with uspverified.org and can vouch for the their professionalism and high standards. Something to consider...

Luke9583 · 08-10-2004, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeb

I know that supplements can be expensive but hey..it's your liver.

Are you saying your M1t is less hepatoxic than UL, or HP?

**Prince** · 08-10-2004, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke9583

Are you saying your M1t is less hepatoxic than UL, or HP?

I think what he is saying is who knows what is really in them.

mikeb · 08-10-2004, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke9583

Are you saying your M1t is less hepatoxic than UL, or HP?

I could just as easily ask if you're saying that these companies supps are not *more* hepatoxic. That was not my point (to pick out any particular company).

All I'm saying is that at some point I prefer to ask myself, "how cheap is cheap enough"? If you understand that all these guys are getting the stuff for real close to the same price, then you have to say, "Why does company B charge SO much less than company A. Is it because company A just wants to rip people off? Or is it maybe that company B doesn't have the overhead? (Staff, manufacturing, quality control, INSURANCE - you'd be amazed at what this costs and how some companies don't have it, etc).

I am in NO WAY singling out any one company nor am I saying that any one company is not legit but I am saying that having seen a company like Ergopharm's facilities, I would trust them more so than a company that just pops up on the radar, decides to sell on hot product and then when the market dies down, is gone.

Oh and just for the record, these are not "our" M1T products. We are a retailer.

**Prince** · 08-10-2004, 02:00 PM

there are two differences in the costs of manufacturing a product, the amount your'e having made, obviously if you order 10,000 bottles versus 1,000 bottles the price will be quite a bit different. and the second reason is the quality of ingrediants. there are some other small costs (pennies per bottle) for quality of bottle, desicant, cotton, selas, etc.)

other than that, yeah company A pays the same as company B.

so when Gaspari charges $58 for M1T and UL (BulkNutrition) charge $10, you're paying for Gaspari's "overhead" (advertising in magazine, etc.), a little bit more for the prettier label, and the rest is just profit for Gaspari.

so, if you are cost conscious buy UL's M1T and save yourself $48.

Luke9583 · 08-10-2004, 02:04 PM

Or wait for the person who bought 10 bottles to try one cycle, and then decide the remainder for $5.

mikeb · 08-10-2004, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

there are two differences in the costs of manufacturing a product, the amount your'e having made, obviously if you order 10,000 bottles versus 1,000 bottles the price will be quite a bit different. and the second reason is the quality of ingrediants.

Robert, I'm not expert on mfr but my understanding is that the bulk m1t comes from one place for all the companies. I could be wrong. Also, like I said, there are other issues, insurance being a huge factor IMO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert DiMaggio

so, if you are cost conscious buy UL's M1T and save yourself $48.

That's where I take a middle ground. I know people have budgets to consider but no way I'm spending 10 bones on something like this.

Luke9583 · 08-10-2004, 02:34 PM

The irony is that it's the cost of the PCT that kills most people I think.

topolo · 08-10-2004, 03:31 PM

agreed

mikeb · 08-10-2004, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke9583

The irony is that it's the cost of the PCT that kills most people I think.

Good point

**Prince** · 08-10-2004, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeb

Robert, I'm not expert on mfr but my understanding is that the bulk m1t comes from one place for all the companies. I could be wrong. Also, like I said, there are other issues, insurance being a huge factor IMO.

I was just speaking of supplements in general, not M1T, I know nothing about the raw materials for that compound, i.e. where they come from.

**Pirate!** · 08-10-2004, 04:30 PM

I think you make a good point mikeb, and my understanding of m1t is that there are few suppliers of the raw powder. I also understand that there isn't much, if any, difference in quality. But, I think the companies that sell it could--and some probably do--short the customer in quantity. That is to say that a 10 mg cap might have 7 mg, etc. I think the solution for this dilemma is for companies to have product verification from organizations like redspy mentioned. This last thing this industry needs is the FDA verifying that every product has what it says. That costs the company tons of money and drives the prices way up. Yes, Legal Gear is name brand, and people get good results from their M1T. People get the same results from companies that charge much less and are getting their raw powder from the same place. I don't think that one company is selling M1T that is worse for your liver, so there are no health concerns when choosing a brand. To imply that you would not trust your health to a $10 bottle of M1T, but you would to a Legal Gear bottle that cost 3 times as much doesn't make since. If Legal Gear ran a clearance and sold their M1T for $10, would you no longer trust it's quality?

08-09-2004, 05:07 PM	#1
mikeb Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: California Posts: 78	New pricing on Legal Gear Methyl 1 Test Just wanted to let board members know that Millennium Fitness has negotiated some great prices with Legal Gear on their new Methyl 1-Test methyl gelcaps. Same product but with the gelcaps you can store these for years in the refrig. Our new price on this is $33.79 for 80 gelcaps. We hope to also be lowering prices on most if not all their other products shortly. For more info Check out Legal Gear Methyl 1-Test Here Millennium Fitness Supplement Your Training The #1 Online Source for Cutting edge, brand name supplements

08-09-2004, 09:11 PM	#2
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroiit Posts: 5,407 Photos: 7	those better be 10mg at least. "If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

08-09-2004, 09:30 PM	#3
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	overpriced My 1-Andro RX Journal

08-09-2004, 11:11 PM	#6
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=901 http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/hp/m1t.html http://www.massnutrition.com/product...IDS&item=ID027 @ 10 mg. For Legal Gear, you have a good price though. My 1-Andro RX Journal

08-09-2004, 11:37 PM	#8
mikeb Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: California Posts: 78	I'm not going to bag on competitors but I will say this: For name brand products we compete with everyone, even bb.com who is not that cheap considering how huge they are. The problem with m1t though is that as soon as Legal Gear showed it could be done, as soon as we (Millennium Fitness) showed that you didn't have to pay an arm and a leg (yes we were the first and got slammed for it), every no-name company with a pill pressing machine started making it. As the owner of Millennium Fitness and the guy who has to answer all the "whys, "where's" and "what if's", I prefer to not sell "Joes' Methyl 1-Test". Just my 2 cents. Millennium Fitness Supplement Your Training The #1 Online Source for Cutting edge, brand name supplements

08-09-2004, 11:45 PM	#9
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,393 Photos: 356	understandable, but at the same time many well known companies use inferior ingrediants and this has been shown in independant lab reports. I will not even bother listing some of the big names that did not meet their label claims. feel free to have my product tested, I am 100% certain it will pass. IronMagLabs 1-ANDRO Rx Pro-Hormone - BUY 2 GET 1 FREE SPECIAL! BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding, Fitness & Training Blog. Maximizer.com - Maximizer Strength for Maximum Performance Befriend on Myspace Follow on Twitter

08-09-2004, 11:51 PM	#11
KataMaStEr -==♠==- Elite Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Sunshine State Posts: 1,960 Photos: 6	Some people just want to buy the product not the name. My .02 cents

08-09-2004, 11:58 PM	#14
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,393 Photos: 356	well, at least I am "touchable" you can talk to me everyday and hopefully people feel that I am trustworthy. IronMagLabs 1-ANDRO Rx Pro-Hormone - BUY 2 GET 1 FREE SPECIAL! BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding, Fitness & Training Blog. Maximizer.com - Maximizer Strength for Maximum Performance Befriend on Myspace Follow on Twitter

08-10-2004, 06:49 AM	#15
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroiit Posts: 5,407 Photos: 7	My Higher power did the trick just fine CHEAP! "If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

08-10-2004, 12:38 PM	#19
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Supplement companies can be proactive and seek product verification from organizations like consumerlabs.com and uspverified.org. Although these organizations have rigorous testing they don't have great awareness among consumers. USP has certified supplement brands like Schiff and Kirkland Signature (Costco) and others. I have personally worked with uspverified.org and can vouch for the their professionalism and high standards. Something to consider...

08-10-2004, 02:00 PM	#23
Prince IronMagLabs Owner Administrator Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Colorado Posts: 37,393 Photos: 356	there are two differences in the costs of manufacturing a product, the amount your'e having made, obviously if you order 10,000 bottles versus 1,000 bottles the price will be quite a bit different. and the second reason is the quality of ingrediants. there are some other small costs (pennies per bottle) for quality of bottle, desicant, cotton, selas, etc.) other than that, yeah company A pays the same as company B. so when Gaspari charges $58 for M1T and UL (BulkNutrition) charge $10, you're paying for Gaspari's "overhead" (advertising in magazine, etc.), a little bit more for the prettier label, and the rest is just profit for Gaspari. so, if you are cost conscious buy UL's M1T and save yourself $48. IronMagLabs 1-ANDRO Rx Pro-Hormone - BUY 2 GET 1 FREE SPECIAL! BOARD SPONSORS: MassNutrition.com - Discount Supplement Superstore AlltheWhey.com - Bulk Protein Powders CEMProducts.com - Research Chemicals & Supplements MusclesProd.com - Steroids, Bodybuilding, Fitness & Training Blog. Maximizer.com - Maximizer Strength for Maximum Performance Befriend on Myspace Follow on Twitter

08-10-2004, 02:04 PM	#24
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroiit Posts: 5,407 Photos: 7	Or wait for the person who bought 10 bottles to try one cycle, and then decide the remainder for $5. "If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

08-10-2004, 02:34 PM	#26
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroiit Posts: 5,407 Photos: 7	The irony is that it's the cost of the PCT that kills most people I think. "If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

08-10-2004, 04:30 PM	#30
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,168	I think you make a good point mikeb, and my understanding of m1t is that there are few suppliers of the raw powder. I also understand that there isn't much, if any, difference in quality. But, I think the companies that sell it could--and some probably do--short the customer in quantity. That is to say that a 10 mg cap might have 7 mg, etc. I think the solution for this dilemma is for companies to have product verification from organizations like redspy mentioned. This last thing this industry needs is the FDA verifying that every product has what it says. That costs the company tons of money and drives the prices way up. Yes, Legal Gear is name brand, and people get good results from their M1T. People get the same results from companies that charge much less and are getting their raw powder from the same place. I don't think that one company is selling M1T that is worse for your liver, so there are no health concerns when choosing a brand. To imply that you would not trust your health to a $10 bottle of M1T, but you would to a Legal Gear bottle that cost 3 times as much doesn't make since. If Legal Gear ran a clearance and sold their M1T for $10, would you no longer trust it's quality? My 1-Andro RX Journal

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