m1t libido loss

babylon · 08-11-2004, 02:13 AM

Im going to start a cycle of m1t and 4ad. im just trying to figure out how much trandermal 4-ad i should take to help with the lethargy and libido loss caused by the 20mg m1t. Should I take 200mg of transdermal 4-ad or should i take 400mg? any insight on this is appreciated

Luke9583 · 08-11-2004, 07:15 AM

How old are ya? Beleive it or not, I didn't use any 4 derm on my 20mg, 3 week cycle. I was hurtin' tho. More so from depression than loss of libido. I never quite lost "all" of it

.

I"m 20 tho.

**Pirate!** · 08-11-2004, 07:19 AM

If you are taking 20 mg/day of M1T, take between 150-200 mg of 4-ad twice daily. This worked well for me. Just make sure you shake the 4-ad bottle, apply right. let dry, don't sweat off, etc....

BIG C · 08-11-2004, 08:27 AM

I didn't notice any loss at all. All I took was the M1T. I was very tired though, but I worked a lot of overtime at work during the same time

I did 3 weeks on. I am currently on a 2 week break and going for 3 more on.

One thing was the pumps on this. They were so intense they actually hurt. If you thought side laterals gave you a pump in your shoulders before, just wait!

largepkg · 08-11-2004, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Just make sure you shake the 4-ad bottle, apply right.

Shake?

Maybe this is why I'm sitting here naked, contemplating life with a pair of scissors in my hand right now...

Luke9583 · 08-11-2004, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG C

I did 3 weeks on. I am currently on a 2 week break and going for 3 more on.

NO PCT!??!?!?!?!

muscleflexin · 08-11-2004, 09:33 AM

I only took 10 mg of M1T per day and needed 200mg
of 4Derm daiy from day 3 till the end of my two week cycle.

Not sure if 20 mg I would need more. But some people say they
don't need any 4AD on M1T, so I guess you'll just have to see what makes you feel the best.

**Pirate!** · 08-11-2004, 09:52 AM

I felt best once I started taking 4-5 sprays twice daily of 4-derm. You don't need it until day 3, but you might as well start them at the same time. You will be real horny for 3 days.

**Pirate!** · 08-11-2004, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BIG C

One thing was the pumps on this. They were so intense they actually hurt. If you thought side laterals gave you a pump in your shoulders before, just wait!

I was doing creatine at the same time. My deltoids were sore before I even started side laterals (I do them last). I didn't attribute it to the pump, but it was only like that on the m1t. No problem now.

Purdue Power · 08-11-2004, 10:08 AM

Ya, I was wondering if I will need much 4Derm if any at all when I start my M1T. I never had any energy or labido loss on 1AD, but quite the opposite. I will probably do a couple sprays twice a day for good measure, just to make sure.

babylon · 08-11-2004, 01:15 PM

thanks. whats the difference between LGP and normal 4ad? whats the best stack with m1t? which one is better - in pill form or luquid?

Monolith · 08-11-2004, 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke9583

NO PCT!??!?!?!?!

x2

babylon · 08-11-2004, 02:24 PM

which is more preferable - pill form or luquid?

Luke9583 · 08-11-2004, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babylon

which is more preferable - pill form or luquid?

What does it matter, if you grow boobs and never naturally produce testosterone again?

**Pirate!** · 08-11-2004, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babylon

which is more preferable - pill form or luquid?

transdermal 4-AD is what you want.

**Pirate!** · 08-11-2004, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purdue Power

Ya, I was wondering if I will need much 4Derm if any at all when I start my M1T. I never had any energy or labido loss on 1AD, but quite the opposite. I will probably do a couple sprays twice a day for good measure, just to make sure.

Trust me, you want > 3 sprays twice daily. 4 is better. I did fine on 1-AD alone, too. M1T is much different.

babylon · 08-11-2004, 03:13 PM

i have trouble shopping for transdermal 4ad, the only 4ad i find in luqiud form is methylated 4ad. What brand did you guys use?

**Pirate!** · 08-11-2004, 06:01 PM

This is the perfect one at an awesome price: http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=817

babylon · 08-11-2004, 09:44 PM

thanks, bro!

PreMier · 08-11-2004, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babylon

i have trouble shopping for transdermal 4ad, the only 4ad i find in luqiud form is methylated 4ad. What brand did you guys use?

Why would a transdermal be methylated?

Can you provide a link to this please..

camarosuper6 · 08-11-2004, 09:51 PM

I have a link for it.

www.nosuchthing.com

PreMier · 08-11-2004, 10:05 PM

Thats exactly what I was looking for

Luke9583 · 08-11-2004, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by camarosuper6

I have a link for it.

www.nosuchthing.com

Link doesn't work man! get your shit straight

cappo5150 · 08-11-2004, 10:29 PM

I think i overdid it on the 4AD, i used 5squirts 2x day, and it made me want to hump (almost) every female insight.

Luke9583 · 08-11-2004, 10:31 PM

use two more, It's all good until you start wanting to (almost) hump the dudes too.

**IainDaniel** · 08-12-2004, 07:47 AM

Transdermal M4ad it also has 4ad

http://www.legalgear.com/products_LGP4.htm

**dg806** · 08-12-2004, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IainDaniel

Transdermal M4ad it also has 4ad

http://www.legalgear.com/products_LGP4.htm

Yep

BIG C · 08-12-2004, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke9583

NO PCT!??!?!?!?!

Yeah I'm doing PCT. Should have included that!

babylon · 08-12-2004, 06:04 PM

is it ok if i use 6oxo and matrix rx for pct? no access to nolvadex...

Luke9583 · 08-12-2004, 06:08 PM

yes sir

make sure to start out with 6 caps of 6oxo a day.

08-11-2004, 02:13 AM	#1
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	m1t libido loss Im going to start a cycle of m1t and 4ad. im just trying to figure out how much trandermal 4-ad i should take to help with the lethargy and libido loss caused by the 20mg m1t. Should I take 200mg of transdermal 4-ad or should i take 400mg? any insight on this is appreciated

08-11-2004, 07:15 AM	#2
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroiit Posts: 5,407 Photos: 7	How old are ya? Beleive it or not, I didn't use any 4 derm on my 20mg, 3 week cycle. I was hurtin' tho. More so from depression than loss of libido. I never quite lost "all" of it . I"m 20 tho. "If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

08-11-2004, 07:19 AM	#3
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	If you are taking 20 mg/day of M1T, take between 150-200 mg of 4-ad twice daily. This worked well for me. Just make sure you shake the 4-ad bottle, apply right. let dry, don't sweat off, etc.... My 1-Andro RX Journal

08-11-2004, 08:27 AM	#4
BIG C Love to Lift!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 90	I didn't notice any loss at all. All I took was the M1T. I was very tired though, but I worked a lot of overtime at work during the same time I did 3 weeks on. I am currently on a 2 week break and going for 3 more on. One thing was the pumps on this. They were so intense they actually hurt. If you thought side laterals gave you a pump in your shoulders before, just wait! If the bar aint bending your just pretending! Check out my Journal!!

08-11-2004, 09:52 AM	#8
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	I felt best once I started taking 4-5 sprays twice daily of 4-derm. You don't need it until day 3, but you might as well start them at the same time. You will be real horny for 3 days. My 1-Andro RX Journal

08-11-2004, 09:33 AM	#7
muscleflexin Registered User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: US Posts: 3	I only took 10 mg of M1T per day and needed 200mg of 4Derm daiy from day 3 till the end of my two week cycle. Not sure if 20 mg I would need more. But some people say they don't need any 4AD on M1T, so I guess you'll just have to see what makes you feel the best.

08-11-2004, 10:08 AM	#10
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Ya, I was wondering if I will need much 4Derm if any at all when I start my M1T. I never had any energy or labido loss on 1AD, but quite the opposite. I will probably do a couple sprays twice a day for good measure, just to make sure. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

08-11-2004, 01:15 PM	#11
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	thanks. whats the difference between LGP and normal 4ad? whats the best stack with m1t? which one is better - in pill form or luquid? Last edited by babylon : 08-11-2004 at 01:28 PM.

08-11-2004, 02:24 PM	#13
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	which is more preferable - pill form or luquid?

08-11-2004, 03:13 PM	#17
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	i have trouble shopping for transdermal 4ad, the only 4ad i find in luqiud form is methylated 4ad. What brand did you guys use?

08-11-2004, 06:01 PM	#18
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	This is the perfect one at an awesome price: http://www.bulknutrition.com/?products_id=817 My 1-Andro RX Journal

08-11-2004, 09:44 PM	#19
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	thanks, bro!

08-11-2004, 09:51 PM	#21
camarosuper6 Unstoppable Force Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: California Posts: 3,415	I have a link for it. www.nosuchthing.com "Show me a beautiful woman, and I'll show you a guy tired of screwing her"

08-11-2004, 10:05 PM	#22
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,962 Photos: 2	Thats exactly what I was looking for P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

08-11-2004, 10:29 PM	#24
cappo5150 Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 2,320 Photos: 1	I think i overdid it on the 4AD, i used 5squirts 2x day, and it made me want to hump (almost) every female insight.

08-11-2004, 10:31 PM	#25
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroiit Posts: 5,407 Photos: 7	use two more, It's all good until you start wanting to (almost) hump the dudes too. "If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

08-12-2004, 07:47 AM	#26
IainDaniel My Role Model Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 17,548	Transdermal M4ad it also has 4ad http://www.legalgear.com/products_LGP4.htm Obstacles don't have to stop you. If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up. Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it. Michael Jordan Last edited by dg806 : 08-12-2004 at 08:58 AM.

08-12-2004, 06:04 PM	#29
babylon Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 79	is it ok if i use 6oxo and matrix rx for pct? no access to nolvadex...

08-12-2004, 06:08 PM	#30
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detroiit Posts: 5,407 Photos: 7	yes sir make sure to start out with 6 caps of 6oxo a day. "If you're not part of the solution, you're the precipitate."

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