best supliment?

Fe-mike · 08-12-2004, 10:35 PM

what is the best supliment for a 16 or 17 year old kid? I go to the gym often or at least i have been but am in a slump because i lack motivation to do it right now. but i belong to balies and i try to get there as much as i can but it is hard because i work a lot. but if there is somehting that would give me the energy that i need to do it it would help a lot. By the way i am 5'10'' tall and 160.

i am looking to put on some muscle so i can look good and hang out with my boys that play football and not be looked at as the "little guy."

-thanks for the help

Vieope · 08-12-2004, 10:41 PM

Supplement..repeat with me s-u-p-p-l-e-m-e-n-t..

You can take pretty much any of them, creatine, vitamines, whey, glutamine are good ones to start. Don´t consider PH though.

gococksDJS · 08-12-2004, 10:42 PM

start with whey protein

Du · 08-12-2004, 10:54 PM

First and foremost, a multivitamin. Then I would say whey protein, then creatine. Next, glutamine. However, don't mix the creatine and glutamine, you'll waste it. The creatine and whey mixed together in a shake works well, especially for beginners.

I would recommend finding motivation and getting in there before supplementing though, its pointless to supplement if you don't get in to lift.

I hope this helps a little.

Vieope · 08-12-2004, 11:07 PM

Creatine and glutamine no good together? Are you sure?

PreMier · 08-12-2004, 11:13 PM

Glutamine is no good by itself! LOL

PreMier · 08-12-2004, 11:15 PM

Also there is a thread on this exact topic

http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ght=supplement (Most effective/important supplement)

Du · 08-12-2004, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vieope

Creatine and glutamine no good together? Are you sure?

From what I've read, they compete for absorbtion. To be scientific about it, the two of them depend on the same substrate carriers and co-transporters. Meaning, if you take them both at the same time, one will get absorbed and one wont. Or, half of one and half of the other, etc. To be scientific about it, the two of them depend on the same substrate carriers and co-transporters.

This is from what I've read. However, I also know some supplement companies sell a creatine/l-glutamine product, so maybe they know something I don't. Either way, with my money, I'd rather be safe than throw away the powders.

Vieope · 08-12-2004, 11:33 PM

You can be right, I remember reading something about a other product competing with creatine for the way they transport themselves. I don´t remember if it was glutamine though.

Yes a lot of products contain creatine and glutamine, remember that these companies are the ones that put creatine into liquid and make you drink creatinine.

Fe-mike · 08-13-2004, 12:26 AM

i am not exactally a beginer at lifting i have been lifting for 3 years or so. i have never been much into suppliments. i have always taken protein though and have tried creating and it didnt seem to help me that much. Someone said that it helps a lot if you take it with sugar but i havnt tried it yeat. The one thing is that i am not allowed to use creatine, if my parents knew that i did they would not be happy. so i try to stay away from it as much as possible but so far i have found it imposible to get anything that is that good without creatine in it.

stu_20_uk · 08-13-2004, 03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fe-mike

The one thing is that i am not allowed to use creatine, if my parents knew that i did they would not be happy. so i try to stay away from it as much as possible but so far i have found it imposible to get anything that is that good without creatine in it.

why rnt u allowed to use creatine it occurs naturally in red meat unless ur family has a history of kidney problems i cant see why theyd hav a problem with it

JerseyDevil · 08-13-2004, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fe-mike

what is the best supliment for a 16 or 17 year old kid? I go to the gym often or at least i have been but am in a slump because i lack motivation to do it right now. but i belong to balies and i try to get there as much as i can but it is hard because i work a lot. but if there is somehting that would give me the energy that i need to do it it would help a lot. By the way i am 5'10'' tall and 160.

i am looking to put on some muscle so i can look good and hang out with my boys that play football and not be looked at as the "little guy."

The best 'supplement' by far for putting on size is food. You didn't even mention your diet, which is even more important then training itself. Do you think Ronnie Coleman or NFL players get their size from eating a paltry diet, and just taking supplements? My advice would be to read this sticky, and concentrate on the bulking advice. http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=21113 (Guide to Cutting, Bulking & Maintenance) . I would add some whey protein powder, fish oil and a multi-vitamin.... then EAT.

**Pirate!** · 08-13-2004, 07:58 AM

I concur with Jersey Devil. If you are lacking energy at your age it is probably due to a poor diet (including soda) and lack of proper sleep. Learn all you can about eating right before bothering with anything more than a post-workout shake consisting of whey protein and carbohydrates (and water).

Tank316 · 08-13-2004, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerseyDevil

The best 'supplement' by far for putting on size is food. You didn't even mention your diet, which is even more important then training itself. Do you think Ronnie Coleman or NFL players get their size from eating a paltry diet, and just taking supplements? My advice would be to read this sticky, and concentrate on the bulking advice. http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=21113 (Guide to Cutting, Bulking & Maintenance) . I would add some whey protein powder, fish oil and a multi-vitamin.... then EAT.

ditto.... learn how/what to eat as well as train properly

bulletproof1 · 08-13-2004, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

From what I've read, they compete for absorbtion. To be scientific about it, the two of them depend on the same substrate carriers and co-transporters. Meaning, if you take them both at the same time, one will get absorbed and one wont. Or, half of one and half of the other, etc. To be scientific about it, the two of them depend on the same substrate carriers and co-transporters.

This is from what I've read. However, I also know some supplement companies sell a creatine/l-glutamine product, so maybe they know something I don't. Either way, with my money, I'd rather be safe than throw away the powders.

this is a bullshit myth.

dont ever ask premier his opinion on glutamine. he wont budge.

mikeb · 08-13-2004, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

don't mix the creatine and glutamine, you'll waste it.

This myth belongs in the same category as "don't eat more than 30, no wait, 40..uh..is it 20?....grams of protein at one sitting.

Tank316 · 08-14-2004, 06:52 AM

and i'll say it once again. Bcaa's are they best thing to take next to a protein supplement!

**Pirate!** · 08-14-2004, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by du510

From what I've read, they compete for absorbtion. To be scientific about it, the two of them depend on the same substrate carriers and co-transporters. Meaning, if you take them both at the same time, one will get absorbed and one wont. Or, half of one and half of the other, etc. To be scientific about it, the two of them depend on the same substrate carriers and co-transporters.

This is from what I've read. However, I also know some supplement companies sell a creatine/l-glutamine product, so maybe they know something I don't. Either way, with my money, I'd rather be safe than throw away the powders.

Simply not true. You were misinformed. In fact, the presence of amino acids has been shown to help creatine absorption in some people.

redspy · 08-14-2004, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Simply not true. You were misinformed. In fact, the presence of amino acids has been shown to help creatine absorption in some people.

Completely agree with you on this.

busyLivin · 08-15-2004, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vieope

Supplement..repeat with me s-u-p-p-l-e-m-e-n-t..

You can take pretty much any of them, creatine, vitamines, whey, glutamine are good ones to start. Don´t consider PH though.

Vitamins..repeat with me v-i-t-a-m-i-n-s

Fe-mike · 08-15-2004, 05:33 PM

I eat as much as i can. every meal i eat as much as i can. i stay away from pop (soda) as much as posible. i drink a lot of water and try to get as much protein in my diet as posible. i know what is bad for me and i dont eat it and what is good for me i will eat it even if i dont like it (vegitables)

As for the creatine issue. Creatine is a waste product. taking creatine is like drinking concentrated urine. it can easily mess ur kidneys up if not used exactally right. And just because creatine is created naturally doesnt mean that you should supliment with it, assid is made naturaly but i wouldnt make a assid drink and drink it.
THere is a lot more to that issue but that is just some of the reasons that my dad doesnt approve.

**Pirate!** · 08-15-2004, 05:44 PM

Count calories and protein. Keep raising the amount of calories you eat until you see gains. Eat at least 6 to 8 times day. Food is the answer.

08-12-2004, 10:35 PM	#1
Fe-mike killa Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 12	best supliment? what is the best supliment for a 16 or 17 year old kid? I go to the gym often or at least i have been but am in a slump because i lack motivation to do it right now. but i belong to balies and i try to get there as much as i can but it is hard because i work a lot. but if there is somehting that would give me the energy that i need to do it it would help a lot. By the way i am 5'10'' tall and 160. i am looking to put on some muscle so i can look good and hang out with my boys that play football and not be looked at as the "little guy." -thanks for the help

08-12-2004, 10:42 PM	#3
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08-12-2004, 10:54 PM	#4
Du Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: London, UK Posts: 4,085 Photos: 5	First and foremost, a multivitamin. Then I would say whey protein, then creatine. Next, glutamine. However, don't mix the creatine and glutamine, you'll waste it. The creatine and whey mixed together in a shake works well, especially for beginners. I would recommend finding motivation and getting in there before supplementing though, its pointless to supplement if you don't get in to lift. I hope this helps a little.
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08-12-2004, 11:13 PM	#6
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,221 Photos: 2	Glutamine is no good by itself! LOL
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08-12-2004, 11:15 PM	#7
PreMier happy sumo Elite Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 21,221 Photos: 2	Also there is a thread on this exact topic http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ght=supplement (Most effective/important supplement)
	P-side Inc. "the post-workout high is more profound than any drug-induced rush imaginable." -Dante B.

08-12-2004, 10:41 PM	#2
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,847 Photos: 10	Supplement..repeat with me s-u-p-p-l-e-m-e-n-t.. You can take pretty much any of them, creatine, vitamines, whey, glutamine are good ones to start. Don´t consider PH though.

08-12-2004, 11:07 PM	#5
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,847 Photos: 10	Creatine and glutamine no good together? Are you sure?

08-12-2004, 11:33 PM	#9
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,847 Photos: 10	You can be right, I remember reading something about a other product competing with creatine for the way they transport themselves. I don´t remember if it was glutamine though. Yes a lot of products contain creatine and glutamine, remember that these companies are the ones that put creatine into liquid and make you drink creatinine.

08-13-2004, 12:26 AM	#10
Fe-mike killa Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 12	i am not exactally a beginer at lifting i have been lifting for 3 years or so. i have never been much into suppliments. i have always taken protein though and have tried creating and it didnt seem to help me that much. Someone said that it helps a lot if you take it with sugar but i havnt tried it yeat. The one thing is that i am not allowed to use creatine, if my parents knew that i did they would not be happy. so i try to stay away from it as much as possible but so far i have found it imposible to get anything that is that good without creatine in it.

08-14-2004, 06:52 AM	#17
Tank316 P/RR/Sh Warrior Elite Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Barron,Wi Posts: 4,345 Photos: 8	and i'll say it once again. Bcaa's are they best thing to take next to a protein supplement!
	P/RR/Sh Warrior. Epic's new man beast.

08-15-2004, 05:33 PM	#21
Fe-mike killa Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 12	I eat as much as i can. every meal i eat as much as i can. i stay away from pop (soda) as much as posible. i drink a lot of water and try to get as much protein in my diet as posible. i know what is bad for me and i dont eat it and what is good for me i will eat it even if i dont like it (vegitables) As for the creatine issue. Creatine is a waste product. taking creatine is like drinking concentrated urine. it can easily mess ur kidneys up if not used exactally right. And just because creatine is created naturally doesnt mean that you should supliment with it, assid is made naturaly but i wouldnt make a assid drink and drink it. THere is a lot more to that issue but that is just some of the reasons that my dad doesnt approve.

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