Androgen receptor degredation

Purdue Power · 08-24-2004, 07:08 PM

I know that there is some debate about this, but what are some people opinions on this? -If I go with an M1T stack now, will my body be less responsive to a lesser PH/PS stack later on, such as an S1+ or the like?

Tribal · 08-24-2004, 07:31 PM

Man, that's such a good question! makes me think maybe I'll hold off on the M1-T if thats the case

**dg806** · 08-24-2004, 07:35 PM

I think there would be if you do two cycles close to each other. If there is alot of time between the two I think you would be ok.

**Pirate!** · 08-24-2004, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg806

I think there would be if you do two cycles close to each other. If there is alot of time between the two I think you would be ok.

That makes since, but I don't know the science behind the receptors very well. I wouldn't suggest that anyone do M1T as a first cycle. It was my forth cycle, and it was very intense (as were the sides--like ball hybernation

).

Purdue Power · 08-24-2004, 09:56 PM

Ya, this will be my forth cycle as well. I did a cycle of 1-AD with great results, another cycle of 1AD with little results, and a cycle of 1TU with little more than bloating for results. Should I go with an S1+ cycle instead? What is the deal with the cyclo 1-test? If I can expect some good results from something intermediate of my previous cycles and the M1T, I will go with it first.

redspy · 08-24-2004, 10:01 PM

If you have a good PCT plan and allow time for your body to return to it's natural state I don't think you'll affect your receptor capabilities.

Purdue Power · 08-24-2004, 10:21 PM

Should I cylcle something lighter first, like s1+, before I hit my M1T? Are there any suggestions for some other ph/ps's that are lesser than M1T(well, everything is) and is very effective?

Purdue Power · 08-25-2004, 08:18 AM

:bump

**dg806** · 08-25-2004, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

That makes since, but I don't know the science behind the receptors very well. I wouldn't suggest that anyone do M1T as a first cycle. It was my forth cycle, and it was very intense (as were the sides--like ball hybernation

).

No, you usually want to start with the weakest at a low dose and work your way up. You usually require more PH or whatever on subsequent cycles, to get the same effect.

**Pirate!** · 08-25-2004, 12:48 PM

Purdue Power, you are probably ready for a M1T cylce. I wouldn't suggest going over 10 mg/day for 3 weeks. I think higher doses are the reason I shut down so hard. A guy on another forum just told me that M1T has shut him down harder than any AS he has ever done. I believe it. I'd start the 4-AD before and keep running it after the M1T. Example:

Week 1: 4-AD
Week 2-4: 4-AD & 10 mg M1T
Week 5-6: 4-AD
PCT

Or get the real thing.

redspy · 08-25-2004, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Purdue Power, you are probably ready for a M1T cylce. I wouldn't suggest going over 10 mg/day for 3 weeks. I think higher doses are the reason I shut down so hard. A guy on another forum just told me that M1T has shut him down harder than any AS he has ever done. I believe it. I'd start the 4-AD before and keep running it after the M1T. Example:

Week 1: 4-AD
Week 2-4: 4-AD & 10 mg M1T
Week 5-6: 4-AD
PCT

Or get the real thing.

Sound advice.

FYI: When stacking 4-AD with M1T some users have seen increased Progesterone levels.

**Pirate!** · 08-25-2004, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

FYI: When stacking 4-AD with M1T some users have seen increased Progesterone levels.

It is strange that that is the reason why people are told not to stack 4-AD and Methly D, when 4-AD is the recommended route for M1T stacks.

Purdue Power · 08-25-2004, 05:18 PM

Is it ok to start with my solo 4Derm right now even though I don't have my nolva yet? It will be here well before I start my M1T, but there is little to no chance of gyno with a solo 4AD is there?

PreMier · 08-25-2004, 05:23 PM

No, never start anything unless you have your PCT. Something could happen, and it could get lost in shipment or any other shit.

redspy · 08-25-2004, 05:27 PM

4-AD won't aromatize directly but the target hormone, Testosterone, can. It's unlikely you'll get gyno but if you don't have Nolva I wouldn't risk it. 4-AD won't give you much in the way of gains on its own but it will help you offset the M1T sides.

Purdue Power · 08-27-2004, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Purdue Power, you are probably ready for a M1T cylce. I wouldn't suggest going over 10 mg/day for 3 weeks. I think higher doses are the reason I shut down so hard. A guy on another forum just told me that M1T has shut him down harder than any AS he has ever done. I believe it. I'd start the 4-AD before and keep running it after the M1T. Example:

Week 1: 4-AD
Week 2-4: 4-AD & 10 mg M1T
Week 5-6: 4-AD
PCT

Or get the real thing.

Would it be better to start my PCT after I stop with the M1T, or should I wait until the end of the 4AD?

**Pirate!** · 08-27-2004, 05:31 PM

PCT starts the day after you stop taking ALL PH/PS. Just keep the 4-AD dose high those last two weeks. At least 400 mg/day.

Purdue Power · 08-29-2004, 03:49 AM

So what is the benefit of continuing the 4AD after the M1T is done vs ending both at the same time and starting pct then?

**Pirate!** · 08-29-2004, 10:53 AM

It is just my preference. Otherwise, you can kiss you sex life goodbye for the first two weeks of PCT. 4-AD is best run @ 6 weeks anyway. It will also help you have more energy and get more done in the gym to have all that extra test floating around. By the end of the two last weeks of just 4-AD, your body should be readjusting from the M1T. All together, it should lead to a smother transition into pct and better gains that you can keep. Plus, there is no reason not to. 4-AD isn't hard on your liver. I really think it is the best route, and I intend to do the exact schedule I posted earlier in this thread.

Purdue Power · 08-29-2004, 11:10 AM

Allright, sounds good. I am setting up dosing for myself and 3 other guys for this cycle. Playing a little "Pharmacist Feelgood", so everything that you have helped me with through this whole thing is helping several people, Pirate. And by the way, I liked your old avatar, hope you bring it back sometime.

MTN WARRIOR · 08-29-2004, 12:19 PM

But to answer your question, according to an article in the recent Muscular Development Mag, androgen receptors get better with PH use.

**Pirate!** · 08-29-2004, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTN WARRIOR

But to answer your question, according to an article in the recent Muscular Development Mag, androgen receptors get better with PH use.

Good News!

**dg806** · 08-31-2004, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

4-AD won't give you much in the way of gains on its own

I beg to differ..................I think 4/ad is the best PH out.

redspy · 08-31-2004, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dg806

I beg to differ..................I think 4/ad is the best PH out.

I'm not disputing 4-AD is a great PH, I stack it with virtually all my cycles. My point is used exclusively it doesn't appear to yield great results compared to a good stack. A lot of gains will be bloat and at higher doses there is a risk of gyno (yes, I know 4-AD doesn't aromatize, but the target hormone can).

**dg806** · 08-31-2004, 12:25 PM

I've used it by itself several times and have had great results from it. I like it better than 1-t. Everyone is different.

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dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 16,850	I think there would be if you do two cycles close to each other. If there is alot of time between the two I think you would be ok.
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08-24-2004, 09:56 PM	#5
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Ya, this will be my forth cycle as well. I did a cycle of 1-AD with great results, another cycle of 1AD with little results, and a cycle of 1TU with little more than bloating for results. Should I go with an S1+ cycle instead? What is the deal with the cyclo 1-test? If I can expect some good results from something intermediate of my previous cycles and the M1T, I will go with it first.
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08-24-2004, 10:01 PM	#6
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	If you have a good PCT plan and allow time for your body to return to it's natural state I don't think you'll affect your receptor capabilities.
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08-24-2004, 10:21 PM	#7
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Should I cylcle something lighter first, like s1+, before I hit my M1T? Are there any suggestions for some other ph/ps's that are lesser than M1T(well, everything is) and is very effective? Last edited by Purdue Power : 08-24-2004 at 10:35 PM. Reason: adding more
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08-24-2004, 07:31 PM	#2
Tribal Registered User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 145	Man, that's such a good question! makes me think maybe I'll hold off on the M1-T if thats the case

08-25-2004, 08:18 AM	#8
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	:bump
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08-25-2004, 05:18 PM	#13
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Is it ok to start with my solo 4Derm right now even though I don't have my nolva yet? It will be here well before I start my M1T, but there is little to no chance of gyno with a solo 4AD is there?
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08-25-2004, 05:23 PM	#14
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08-25-2004, 05:27 PM	#15
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	4-AD won't aromatize directly but the target hormone, Testosterone, can. It's unlikely you'll get gyno but if you don't have Nolva I wouldn't risk it. 4-AD won't give you much in the way of gains on its own but it will help you offset the M1T sides.
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08-29-2004, 03:49 AM	#18
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	So what is the benefit of continuing the 4AD after the M1T is done vs ending both at the same time and starting pct then?
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

08-29-2004, 11:10 AM	#20
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	Allright, sounds good. I am setting up dosing for myself and 3 other guys for this cycle. Playing a little "Pharmacist Feelgood", so everything that you have helped me with through this whole thing is helping several people, Pirate. And by the way, I liked your old avatar, hope you bring it back sometime.
	5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

08-29-2004, 12:19 PM	#21
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08-31-2004, 12:25 PM	#25
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 16,850	I've used it by itself several times and have had great results from it. I like it better than 1-t. Everyone is different.
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