Thread: M1T/4AD cycle with 6-Oxo PCT

Double the 4-AD. You should take 400 mg transdermal.
PCT w/ 6-oxo (need 2 bottles)
week 1: 600 mg
Week 2: 500 mg
Week 3: 400 mg
Week 4: 300 mg
Week 5: finish both bottles @ 300 mg

As long as you are capable of "seeing" sides, I think a mix of your and Pirates PCT is fine. You are only going up to 15mg a day M1T, the daily dose is 10mg, so you shouldnt need to continue it beyond 4 weeks. I feel that you should be able to recognize the sides and compensate your therapy from there. But you will need two bottles of 6oxo because you will run out at the end of three weeks with your plan. I only did 3 weeks of PCT because I felt superb. I had no sides, nuts were fine. In fact they still work the last I checked. And I went up to 20mg.

MTN,

Were you using High Power M1t?

Underground labs

Im doing a cycle of M1T from UL in a few weeks. How were your gains MTN?

MTN, do you agree that 400 mg/day 4-AD would be better? That was my experience.

Even though you're planning a low dose cycle M1T is a steroid, a very potent steroid. With most Prohormone cycles you can use 6-OXO, however, with M1T you're much better off with Nolvadex IMO. In addition to being more efffective it's also cheaper.

ditto on the nolva

Originally Posted by redspy

Even though you're planning a low dose cycle M1T is a steroid, a very potent steroid. With most Prohormone cycles you can use 6-OXO, however, with M1T you're much better off with Nolvadex IMO. In addition to being more efffective it's also cheaper.

Don't you mean that M1T is a prohormone, which is different than a steroid? One is converted, one is not.

M1T isn't converted if what I have read is correct.

It is in the form your body needs straight out of the bottle.

Originally Posted by MTN WARRIOR

Don't you mean that M1T is a prohormone, which is different than a steroid? One is converted, one is not.

No, M1T is a Pro-steroid. It's not a PH.

Sorry, was readin something else at the same time. Yes a prosteroid, but not a steroid.

Yeah, I've heard about Nolva being a good idea for PCT before too.. Where's a good place to pick some up?

Originally Posted by Corri

Yeah, I've heard about Nolva being a good idea for PCT before too.. Where's a good place to pick some up?

The only place I know that I know ships to Canada is ancillaryguys.com They aren't the cheapest merchant, however, a lot of research chem companies won't ship internationally.

I've heard some of the PH retain H2o. Any know about PCT water retention?

I"m on a PCT from MD right now, 6 oxo and tons of tribulus. No water retention. For some reason i'm gaining though, I feel like i'm watching my arms grow.

Originally Posted by Luke9583

I"m on a PCT from MD right now, 6 oxo and tons of tribulus. No water retention. For some reason i'm gaining though, I feel like i'm watching my arms grow.

Arms is where I've been seeing my gains most. My shoulders and traps as well but I think that's cause I didn't really vigorously train them until recently... but yes my arms too Luke.

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

MTN, do you agree that 400 mg/day 4-AD would be better? That was my experience.

Def agree. I am doing almost 600 a day. No sides again.

M1T shuts down your natural test production harder then most 'real' steroids. Fact is, M1T is a steroid in every sense of the word. IMO, this one demands tamoxifen for pct.

It was my understanding that if you stacked the M1T with 4AD, your test levels could be kept under control, and that 6-Oxo/Tribulus would be enough for PCT.

I think I'll go with the second bottle of 6-Oxo, but injecting real PCT drugs that are normally reserved for real steroid cycles seems a little extreme

You don't inject nolva or clomid, and they are not too extreme--just more effective than 6-oxo.

Originally Posted by Corri

It was my understanding that if you stacked the M1T with 4AD, your test levels could be kept under control, and that 6-Oxo/Tribulus would be enough for PCT.

I'm not trying to be a dick but your logic is completely flawed. When you run M1T your natural test will be shutdown, the addition of 4-AD will artificially raise your test levels until the end of your cycle. During PCT your Testosterone levels will hit the floor and your estrogen levels will be high. This is where Nolvadex comes in - it will lower your estrogen levels and kick start your HPTA.

I strongly recommend you purchase Nolvadex for a number of reasons. One, it is the only effective treatment if you see signs of gyno. Two, it's proven and has lots of clinical studies behind it. Three, it's cheap. Four, it will help you retain the hard-earned muscle you added on-cycle.


Good luck

Originally Posted by redspy

During PCT your Testosterone levels will hit the floor and your estrogen levels will be high.

And my GOD will you feel like CRAP for the first 3-4 days.

Originally Posted by Corri

It was my understanding that if you stacked the M1T with 4AD, your test levels could be kept under control, and that 6-Oxo/Tribulus would be enough for PCT.

The 4/ad is for libido purposes. M1T shuts your natural test down hard and fast along with libido just as jersey commented. 4/ad helps with this until your pc can get natural test levels back up. Also, HCG taken during cycle can help depression and help get you started back quicker and you would not have the crap feeling Luke referred to.

Originally Posted by redspy

I'm not trying to be a dick but your logic is completely flawed.

Don't sweat it.. That's why I posted before I bought anything.

K, I think I've been convinced as far as Nolva goes. That one link you sent me didn't seem cheap at all though. I've got a couple more weeks before I wanted to start anything, so I'll keep looking around.

Thanks for the tips, and wish me luck!

Originally Posted by Corri

K, I think I've been convinced as far as Nolva goes. That one link you sent me didn't seem cheap at all though. I've got a couple more weeks before I wanted to start anything, so I'll keep looking around.

There are cheaper sources for Nolva like customnutritionwarehouse.com and m5research.com. They offer liquid Nolva for $25USD, however, places like custom don't ship internationally due to credit card fraud issues. Ancillaryguys.com are more expensive but in their FAQ they say they ship to Canada. I'll PM you some more research chem companies but you'll have to check them out to see if they ship to Canada.

I saw the liquid Nolva at customerwarehouse. How do you take it?

Swallow it.