M1T/4AD cycle with 6-Oxo PCT

Corri · 08-26-2004, 04:00 AM

Hello all,

I've been thinking of trying a PH cycle this fall. I've got some experience with them already, having tried 1-AD and S1+ before.

I was thinking of the following 4-week cycle:
Week 1 - 5mg M1T / 200mg 4AD
Week 2 - 10mg / 200mg 4AD
Week 3 - 10mg / 200mg 4AD
Week 4 - 15mg / 200mg 4AD

The 4AD would be a transdermal cause I wouldn't want to stack two methyls and I hear M1T has some serious sides, so the 4AD is really helpful.

As for PCT, I was thinking 6-Oxo at:
Week 1: 600mg
Week 2-3 300mg
Week 4 - rest.. finish off the bottle @ 100mg/day

Does anyone want to throw me some feedback on this? I wouldn't want to screw up and/or waste a lot of money.

Thanks

**Pirate!** · 08-26-2004, 05:08 AM

Double the 4-AD. You should take 400 mg transdermal.
PCT w/ 6-oxo (need 2 bottles)
week 1: 600 mg
Week 2: 500 mg
Week 3: 400 mg
Week 4: 300 mg
Week 5: finish both bottles @ 300 mg

MTN WARRIOR · 08-26-2004, 05:59 AM

As long as you are capable of "seeing" sides, I think a mix of your and Pirates PCT is fine. You are only going up to 15mg a day M1T, the daily dose is 10mg, so you shouldnt need to continue it beyond 4 weeks. I feel that you should be able to recognize the sides and compensate your therapy from there. But you will need two bottles of 6oxo because you will run out at the end of three weeks with your plan. I only did 3 weeks of PCT because I felt superb. I had no sides, nuts were fine. In fact they still work the last I checked. And I went up to 20mg.

Luke9583 · 08-26-2004, 06:11 AM

MTN,

Were you using High Power M1t?

MTN WARRIOR · 08-26-2004, 06:13 AM

Underground labs

gococksDJS · 08-26-2004, 07:11 AM

Im doing a cycle of M1T from UL in a few weeks. How were your gains MTN?

**Pirate!** · 08-26-2004, 08:10 AM

MTN, do you agree that 400 mg/day 4-AD would be better? That was my experience.

redspy · 08-26-2004, 09:11 AM

Even though you're planning a low dose cycle M1T is a steroid, a very potent steroid. With most Prohormone cycles you can use 6-OXO, however, with M1T you're much better off with Nolvadex IMO. In addition to being more efffective it's also cheaper.

topolo · 08-26-2004, 10:10 AM

ditto on the nolva

MTN WARRIOR · 08-26-2004, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

Even though you're planning a low dose cycle M1T is a steroid, a very potent steroid. With most Prohormone cycles you can use 6-OXO, however, with M1T you're much better off with Nolvadex IMO. In addition to being more efffective it's also cheaper.

Don't you mean that M1T is a prohormone, which is different than a steroid? One is converted, one is not.

Autarch · 08-26-2004, 12:23 PM

M1T isn't converted if what I have read is correct.

It is in the form your body needs straight out of the bottle.

redspy · 08-26-2004, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTN WARRIOR

Don't you mean that M1T is a prohormone, which is different than a steroid? One is converted, one is not.

No, M1T is a Pro-steroid. It's not a PH.

MTN WARRIOR · 08-26-2004, 12:36 PM

Sorry, was readin something else at the same time. Yes a prosteroid, but not a steroid.

Corri · 08-26-2004, 12:48 PM

Yeah, I've heard about Nolva being a good idea for PCT before too.. Where's a good place to pick some up?

redspy · 08-26-2004, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corri

Yeah, I've heard about Nolva being a good idea for PCT before too.. Where's a good place to pick some up?

The only place I know that I know ships to Canada is ancillaryguys.com They aren't the cheapest merchant, however, a lot of research chem companies won't ship internationally.

shutupntra1n · 08-26-2004, 01:26 PM

I've heard some of the PH retain H2o. Any know about PCT water retention?

Luke9583 · 08-26-2004, 04:47 PM

I"m on a PCT from MD right now, 6 oxo and tons of tribulus. No water retention. For some reason i'm gaining though, I feel like i'm watching my arms grow.

shutupntra1n · 08-26-2004, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke9583

I"m on a PCT from MD right now, 6 oxo and tons of tribulus. No water retention. For some reason i'm gaining though, I feel like i'm watching my arms grow.

Arms is where I've been seeing my gains most. My shoulders and traps as well but I think that's cause I didn't really vigorously train them until recently... but yes my arms too Luke.

MTN WARRIOR · 08-26-2004, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

MTN, do you agree that 400 mg/day 4-AD would be better? That was my experience.

Def agree. I am doing almost 600 a day. No sides again.

JerseyDevil · 08-26-2004, 06:35 PM

M1T shuts down your natural test production harder then most 'real' steroids. Fact is, M1T is a steroid in every sense of the word. IMO, this one demands tamoxifen for pct.

Corri · 08-26-2004, 06:58 PM

It was my understanding that if you stacked the M1T with 4AD, your test levels could be kept under control, and that 6-Oxo/Tribulus would be enough for PCT.

I think I'll go with the second bottle of 6-Oxo, but injecting real PCT drugs that are normally reserved for real steroid cycles seems a little extreme

**Pirate!** · 08-26-2004, 08:59 PM

You don't inject nolva or clomid, and they are not too extreme--just more effective than 6-oxo.

redspy · 08-26-2004, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corri

It was my understanding that if you stacked the M1T with 4AD, your test levels could be kept under control, and that 6-Oxo/Tribulus would be enough for PCT.

I'm not trying to be a dick but your logic is completely flawed. When you run M1T your natural test will be shutdown, the addition of 4-AD will artificially raise your test levels until the end of your cycle. During PCT your Testosterone levels will hit the floor and your estrogen levels will be high. This is where Nolvadex comes in - it will lower your estrogen levels and kick start your HPTA.

I strongly recommend you purchase Nolvadex for a number of reasons. One, it is the only effective treatment if you see signs of gyno. Two, it's proven and has lots of clinical studies behind it. Three, it's cheap. Four, it will help you retain the hard-earned muscle you added on-cycle.

Good luck

Luke9583 · 08-27-2004, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

During PCT your Testosterone levels will hit the floor and your estrogen levels will be high.

And my GOD will you feel like CRAP for the first 3-4 days.

**dg806** · 08-27-2004, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corri

It was my understanding that if you stacked the M1T with 4AD, your test levels could be kept under control, and that 6-Oxo/Tribulus would be enough for PCT.

The 4/ad is for libido purposes. M1T shuts your natural test down hard and fast along with libido just as jersey commented. 4/ad helps with this until your pc can get natural test levels back up. Also, HCG taken during cycle can help depression and help get you started back quicker and you would not have the crap feeling Luke referred to.

Corri · 08-27-2004, 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by redspy

I'm not trying to be a dick but your logic is completely flawed.

Don't sweat it.. That's why I posted before I bought anything.

K, I think I've been convinced as far as Nolva goes. That one link you sent me didn't seem cheap at all though. I've got a couple more weeks before I wanted to start anything, so I'll keep looking around.

Thanks for the tips, and wish me luck!

redspy · 08-27-2004, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corri

K, I think I've been convinced as far as Nolva goes. That one link you sent me didn't seem cheap at all though. I've got a couple more weeks before I wanted to start anything, so I'll keep looking around.

There are cheaper sources for Nolva like customnutritionwarehouse.com and m5research.com. They offer liquid Nolva for $25USD, however, places like custom don't ship internationally due to credit card fraud issues. Ancillaryguys.com are more expensive but in their FAQ they say they ship to Canada. I'll PM you some more research chem companies but you'll have to check them out to see if they ship to Canada.

ATOMSPLTR · 11-06-2004, 11:22 AM

I saw the liquid Nolva at customerwarehouse. How do you take it?

**Pirate!** · 11-06-2004, 01:18 PM

Swallow it.

Du · 11-06-2004, 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PirateFromHell

Swallow it.

So eloquent.

08-26-2004, 04:00 AM	#1
Corri Another Arnold wannabe Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 268	M1T/4AD cycle with 6-Oxo PCT BODYBUILDING SUPPLEMENTS High Quality Supplements For Bodybuilders and Athletes. www.ironmaglabs.com Hello all, I've been thinking of trying a PH cycle this fall. I've got some experience with them already, having tried 1-AD and S1+ before. I was thinking of the following 4-week cycle: Week 1 - 5mg M1T / 200mg 4AD Week 2 - 10mg / 200mg 4AD Week 3 - 10mg / 200mg 4AD Week 4 - 15mg / 200mg 4AD The 4AD would be a transdermal cause I wouldn't want to stack two methyls and I hear M1T has some serious sides, so the 4AD is really helpful. As for PCT, I was thinking 6-Oxo at: Week 1: 600mg Week 2-3 300mg Week 4 - rest.. finish off the bottle @ 100mg/day Does anyone want to throw me some feedback on this? I wouldn't want to screw up and/or waste a lot of money. Thanks

08-26-2004, 05:59 AM	#3
MTN WARRIOR HOOAH!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: HOOAHVILLE Posts: 604	As long as you are capable of "seeing" sides, I think a mix of your and Pirates PCT is fine. You are only going up to 15mg a day M1T, the daily dose is 10mg, so you shouldnt need to continue it beyond 4 weeks. I feel that you should be able to recognize the sides and compensate your therapy from there. But you will need two bottles of 6oxo because you will run out at the end of three weeks with your plan. I only did 3 weeks of PCT because I felt superb. I had no sides, nuts were fine. In fact they still work the last I checked. And I went up to 20mg.
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08-26-2004, 06:11 AM	#4
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08-26-2004, 06:13 AM	#5
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08-26-2004, 07:11 AM	#6
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08-26-2004, 09:11 AM	#8
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Even though you're planning a low dose cycle M1T is a steroid, a very potent steroid. With most Prohormone cycles you can use 6-OXO, however, with M1T you're much better off with Nolvadex IMO. In addition to being more efffective it's also cheaper.
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08-26-2004, 12:23 PM	#11
Autarch Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 83	M1T isn't converted if what I have read is correct. It is in the form your body needs straight out of the bottle.
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08-26-2004, 12:36 PM	#13
MTN WARRIOR HOOAH!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: HOOAHVILLE Posts: 604	Sorry, was readin something else at the same time. Yes a prosteroid, but not a steroid.
	THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL ME, CERTAINLY MUST MAKE ME STRONGER

08-26-2004, 12:48 PM	#14
Corri Another Arnold wannabe Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 268	Yeah, I've heard about Nolva being a good idea for PCT before too.. Where's a good place to pick some up?

08-26-2004, 01:26 PM	#16
shutupntra1n Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 2,905	I've heard some of the PH retain H2o. Any know about PCT water retention?

08-26-2004, 04:47 PM	#17
Luke9583 Lucky Luke Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: idaho Posts: 5,390 Photos: 9	I"m on a PCT from MD right now, 6 oxo and tons of tribulus. No water retention. For some reason i'm gaining though, I feel like i'm watching my arms grow.
	New goal for 2005, 190lbs @ 7% bf "She Blew my nose, and then she blew my mind"

08-26-2004, 06:35 PM	#20
JerseyDevil Done Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Southern, NJ Posts: 5,176	M1T shuts down your natural test production harder then most 'real' steroids. Fact is, M1T is a steroid in every sense of the word. IMO, this one demands tamoxifen for pct.

08-26-2004, 06:58 PM	#21
Corri Another Arnold wannabe Elite Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Toronto Posts: 268	It was my understanding that if you stacked the M1T with 4AD, your test levels could be kept under control, and that 6-Oxo/Tribulus would be enough for PCT. I think I'll go with the second bottle of 6-Oxo, but injecting real PCT drugs that are normally reserved for real steroid cycles seems a little extreme

11-06-2004, 11:22 AM	#28
ATOMSPLTR Uranium powered Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Idaho Posts: 286	I saw the liquid Nolva at customerwarehouse. How do you take it?