4-AD and 19-nor

RCfootball87 · 08-26-2004, 09:14 PM

I have a friend who picked up a bottle of this 4-ad from a company called "hardcore labs" and some 19-nor-4-diol from sci-fit. I told him there were better stacks but that this wasn't all bad. Thing is, he started a cycle of both and was on for about a week but cycled off because he thought he might be drug tested and didn't wanna risk failing for steroids. So now he has like a 3 and a half week supply of both. My questions is would he better off to run them together or 4-ad followed by 19-nor? Would a cycle that short even be effective? Thanks.

redspy · 08-26-2004, 09:46 PM

A 4-AD/Nordiol stack is moderately anabolic combo with low side effects. A 3.5 week cycle is a little short to see optimal results, it's better to run it for 5-6 weeks. Definitely run these two together, a Nordiol only cycle will shut you down and yield minimal gains.

Both of these PHs are superior using transdermal delivery.

RCfootball87 · 08-26-2004, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by redspy

A 4-AD/Nordiol stack is moderately anabolic combo with low side effects. A 3.5 week cycle is a little short to see optimal results, it's better to run it for 5-6 weeks. Definitely run these two together, a Nordiol only cycle will shut you down and yield minimal gains.

Both of these PHs are superior using transdermal delivery.

Thanks. Like I said I know there's better cycles, but this is what he's got right now.

redspy · 08-26-2004, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RCfootball87

Thanks. Like I said I know there's better cycles, but this is what he's got right now.

4-AD/Nordiol was my first PH cycle, it's a great introduction to androgens.

RCfootball87 · 08-26-2004, 10:06 PM

What were your gains like?

redspy · 08-26-2004, 11:13 PM

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What were your gains like?

About 6lbs of LBM and about 5lbs of water. Water weight was lost after PCT.

**dg806** · 08-27-2004, 08:33 AM

4/ad and 19 nor compete for the same receptor. It is a waste to do them together unless you have money to waste. Also 19 nor is weaker than 4/ad.

redspy · 08-27-2004, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by dg806

4/ad and 19 nor compete for the same receptor. It is a waste to do them together unless you have money to waste.

This is hotly debated. I've seen articles by Big Cat and others which state there is receptor enzyme competition which leads to sub optimal results, however, others like Patrick Arnold disagree. I've also read competition is much more likely using transdermals rather than orals.

RCfootball87 · 08-27-2004, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by redspy

About 6lbs of LBM and about 5lbs of water. Water weight was lost after PCT.

Did you use 6-oxo for your pct?

redspy · 08-27-2004, 11:16 PM

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Did you use 6-oxo for your pct?

I used 6-OXO and Nolvadex, which was overkill really. Now I use Nolvadex exclusively.

RCfootball87 · 08-28-2004, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by redspy

I used 6-OXO and Nolvadex, which was overkill really. Now I use Nolvadex exclusively.

Nolvadex is illegal right?

redspy · 08-28-2004, 11:59 AM

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Nolvadex is illegal right?

See this thread - http://www.ironmagazineforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=35773 (Nolva legality)

You can buy it for "research purposes" from a number of sites.

08-26-2004, 09:14 PM	#1
RCfootball87 Rhino Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 1,303	4-AD and 19-nor I have a friend who picked up a bottle of this 4-ad from a company called "hardcore labs" and some 19-nor-4-diol from sci-fit. I told him there were better stacks but that this wasn't all bad. Thing is, he started a cycle of both and was on for about a week but cycled off because he thought he might be drug tested and didn't wanna risk failing for steroids. So now he has like a 3 and a half week supply of both. My questions is would he better off to run them together or 4-ad followed by 19-nor? Would a cycle that short even be effective? Thanks.
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08-26-2004, 09:46 PM	#2
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	A 4-AD/Nordiol stack is moderately anabolic combo with low side effects. A 3.5 week cycle is a little short to see optimal results, it's better to run it for 5-6 weeks. Definitely run these two together, a Nordiol only cycle will shut you down and yield minimal gains. Both of these PHs are superior using transdermal delivery.
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08-26-2004, 10:06 PM	#5
RCfootball87 Rhino Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Rockford, Illinois Posts: 1,303	What were your gains like?
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08-27-2004, 08:33 AM	#7
dg806 Guardian of The Homeland Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Charlotte NC Posts: 17,270	4/ad and 19 nor compete for the same receptor. It is a waste to do them together unless you have money to waste. Also 19 nor is weaker than 4/ad.
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