how long before i can notice a difference

edudlive · 08-31-2004, 08:21 PM

I am about to start doing the following

20g Creatine Monohydrate a day (10g in the morning, 10g after workout)...by anyone got tips on how to make this crap taste better :P

1500mg L-Glutamine (2-3 pills a day, 2 pills being 1500mg) (split between before workout and after)

Twinlab Amino Fuel (1000) Bodybuilding Amino Acids (2-4 pills, after meals)

I now go to college, so I have access to a nice facility to work out in. I have a friend that can show me what to do, or so he says. (i'll probably go 3-4 times a week)

My question is, how long until I will notice a weight/mucle difference while doing this?

ihateschoolmt · 08-31-2004, 08:23 PM

probly 2 weeks if the creatine works good for you and about 4 weeks if it doesnt

**Pirate!** · 08-31-2004, 08:33 PM

Your exercise routine, diet, and sleep schedule are way more important than any of those supplements. It is these things that will determine your progress. Get them all down good, and the gains will be noticeable after the first month. Since you see your self everyday, it is a good idea to take pictures and measurements to track your progress. If you are going to booze regularly, forget quick gains.

edudlive · 08-31-2004, 08:36 PM

I'm eating around 3000 caleries per day (I was at college 11 days and I gained like 4 pounds). Mostly chicken and dairy products...I have been trying my best to eat well and stay away from things like fast food and pizza.

I sleep about 6-7 hours on Tuesday/Thursday, 9+ on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday and god knows how long on weekends

oh, and i dont drink...132lb guy = terrible drunk

plouffe · 08-31-2004, 08:38 PM

You shouldnt just be taking creatine plain man... poor absorbtion. Mix it with some dextrose or something

edudlive · 08-31-2004, 08:54 PM

What are some foods I can eat to get a few extra calories in? Beef isn't much of an option, since I can't go out and eat stake very often :P

redspy · 08-31-2004, 09:01 PM

Tell us about your training regimen. How many days per week do you train? How often do you train each muscle group? How many sets do you perform per body part? How high is your training intensity?

Creatine is definitely a great supplement, however, to make effective gains you still need to train hard to make use of the extra CP/ATP availability.

Research on the effectiveness of l-glutamine is mixed. Some say it helps recuperation and reduce muscle catabolism while others get nothing from it.

Also, taking amino acids with a meal will probably reduce the absorption; take them on an empty stomach.

edudlive · 08-31-2004, 09:02 PM

I haven't started yet. I'll be starting tommorow and I'm not sure what I'm going to do...as I'm clueless but my friend claims to know things.

I was playing on doing high-weight low-reps (on everything) 3-4 times a week

redspy · 08-31-2004, 09:09 PM

Look around in the Training forum for ideas. These supplements won't do much without hard training, a good diet and plenty of rest.

Good luck!

**Prince** · 08-31-2004, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by edudlive

20g Creatine Monohydrate a day (10g in the morning, 10g after workout).

I see no point in using that much creatine.

topolo · 08-31-2004, 11:20 PM

I agree make it 5 and 5

soxmuscle · 08-31-2004, 11:50 PM

Don't start taking these supplements unless you have a clue with what your doing. It's not only a waste of money, but it's just baseless and stupid in my opinion which Im sure many agree with.

Purdue Power · 08-31-2004, 11:53 PM

That isn't enough glutamine. I take in around 5g with breakfast and over 5g in my post workout shake, not to mention that my whey protein has glutamine in it already.

Purdue Power · 08-31-2004, 11:55 PM

and you should take your amino acid tabs immediately after your workout with your shake and right before you go to bed. And all the suppliments in the world won't do any good if you aren't training hard and eating hard.

**Pirate!** · 09-01-2004, 06:42 AM

You have to take L-glutamine on an empty stomach 30 minutes before eating for proper absorption. You could take your amino acids at the same time.

MTN WARRIOR · 09-01-2004, 07:23 AM

I agree with almost everyone, except for one thing. I don't suggest creatine or glutamine right now. You have no diet or exercise program established. Hence, supps are wasting money. Supplements are meant to "supplement" your already established program. You have none, so dont use the supps yet. They are made to enhance your workouts, provide vits/mins/macros that you are burning off due to intense workouts etc. So, no offense, but I think you are wasting money. Take it from someone who has done every supp known to man. When I haven't used them in conjunction with a very well thought out diet and exercise plan, I have wasted my money. I'm sure I will get flamed by some for saying this, especially those who sell supps, but that is MY OPINION.

redspy · 09-01-2004, 12:00 PM

Logical advice, but it looks as though he's already purchased the supplements.

**Pirate!** · 09-01-2004, 02:19 PM

I concur with MTN.

RCfootball87 · 09-01-2004, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soxmuscle

Don't start taking these supplements unless you have a clue with what your doing. It's not only a waste of money, but it's just baseless and stupid in my opinion which Im sure many agree with.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Vieope · 09-01-2004, 09:41 PM

Don´t take that much creatine.
Don´t forget your EFAs.

BulkMeUp · 09-02-2004, 09:42 AM

Going by the title of this thread, my guess is that he is looking for 'quick results'.

08-31-2004, 08:21 PM	#1
edudlive Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25	how long before i can notice a difference I am about to start doing the following 20g Creatine Monohydrate a day (10g in the morning, 10g after workout)...by anyone got tips on how to make this crap taste better :P 1500mg L-Glutamine (2-3 pills a day, 2 pills being 1500mg) (split between before workout and after) Twinlab Amino Fuel (1000) Bodybuilding Amino Acids (2-4 pills, after meals) I now go to college, so I have access to a nice facility to work out in. I have a friend that can show me what to do, or so he says. (i'll probably go 3-4 times a week) My question is, how long until I will notice a weight/mucle difference while doing this?

08-31-2004, 08:33 PM	#3
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	Your exercise routine, diet, and sleep schedule are way more important than any of those supplements. It is these things that will determine your progress. Get them all down good, and the gains will be noticeable after the first month. Since you see your self everyday, it is a good idea to take pictures and measurements to track your progress. If you are going to booze regularly, forget quick gains. My 1-Andro RX Journal

08-31-2004, 08:38 PM	#5
plouffe is bulking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,786 Photos: 6	You shouldnt just be taking creatine plain man... poor absorbtion. Mix it with some dextrose or something These are my favorite faces : - - - Personal Bests: Bench - 235 Deadlift - 315 X 17 Squat - 315 X 11 40 yrd. - 4.65

08-31-2004, 11:53 PM	#13
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	That isn't enough glutamine. I take in around 5g with breakfast and over 5g in my post workout shake, not to mention that my whey protein has glutamine in it already. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

08-31-2004, 11:55 PM	#14
Purdue Power Good Enough Never Is Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Purdue University Posts: 1,351 Photos: 5	and you should take your amino acid tabs immediately after your workout with your shake and right before you go to bed. And all the suppliments in the world won't do any good if you aren't training hard and eating hard. 5'8 1/2, 225lbs Your M1T Info Source Dream as though you'll live forever, Live each day like it's you last. Love like you've never been hurt. Tomorrow is never promised.

08-31-2004, 08:23 PM	#2
ihateschoolmt Senior Member Elite Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North Carolina Posts: 3,796 Photos: 10	probly 2 weeks if the creatine works good for you and about 4 weeks if it doesnt

08-31-2004, 08:36 PM	#4
edudlive Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25	I'm eating around 3000 caleries per day (I was at college 11 days and I gained like 4 pounds). Mostly chicken and dairy products...I have been trying my best to eat well and stay away from things like fast food and pizza. I sleep about 6-7 hours on Tuesday/Thursday, 9+ on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday and god knows how long on weekends oh, and i dont drink...132lb guy = terrible drunk

08-31-2004, 08:54 PM	#6
edudlive Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25	What are some foods I can eat to get a few extra calories in? Beef isn't much of an option, since I can't go out and eat stake very often :P

08-31-2004, 09:01 PM	#7
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Tell us about your training regimen. How many days per week do you train? How often do you train each muscle group? How many sets do you perform per body part? How high is your training intensity? Creatine is definitely a great supplement, however, to make effective gains you still need to train hard to make use of the extra CP/ATP availability. Research on the effectiveness of l-glutamine is mixed. Some say it helps recuperation and reduce muscle catabolism while others get nothing from it. Also, taking amino acids with a meal will probably reduce the absorption; take them on an empty stomach.

08-31-2004, 09:02 PM	#8
edudlive Registered User Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 25	I haven't started yet. I'll be starting tommorow and I'm not sure what I'm going to do...as I'm clueless but my friend claims to know things. I was playing on doing high-weight low-reps (on everything) 3-4 times a week

08-31-2004, 09:09 PM	#9
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Look around in the Training forum for ideas. These supplements won't do much without hard training, a good diet and plenty of rest. Good luck!

08-31-2004, 11:50 PM	#12
soxmuscle do work son Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: I will eat your face Posts: 10,045 Photos: 10	Don't start taking these supplements unless you have a clue with what your doing. It's not only a waste of money, but it's just baseless and stupid in my opinion which Im sure many agree with.

09-01-2004, 06:42 AM	#15
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	You have to take L-glutamine on an empty stomach 30 minutes before eating for proper absorption. You could take your amino acids at the same time. My 1-Andro RX Journal

09-01-2004, 07:23 AM	#16
MTN WARRIOR HOOAH!!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: HOOAHVILLE Posts: 604	I agree with almost everyone, except for one thing. I don't suggest creatine or glutamine right now. You have no diet or exercise program established. Hence, supps are wasting money. Supplements are meant to "supplement" your already established program. You have none, so dont use the supps yet. They are made to enhance your workouts, provide vits/mins/macros that you are burning off due to intense workouts etc. So, no offense, but I think you are wasting money. Take it from someone who has done every supp known to man. When I haven't used them in conjunction with a very well thought out diet and exercise plan, I have wasted my money. I'm sure I will get flamed by some for saying this, especially those who sell supps, but that is MY OPINION. THAT WHICH DOES NOT KILL ME, CERTAINLY MUST MAKE ME STRONGER

09-01-2004, 12:00 PM	#17
redspy Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3,040	Logical advice, but it looks as though he's already purchased the supplements.

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09-01-2004, 02:19 PM	#18
Pirate! Gatekepper Moderator Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 6,172	I concur with MTN. My 1-Andro RX Journal

09-01-2004, 09:41 PM	#20
Vieope Monochromatic Bunny Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: drinking coffee.. Posts: 14,967 Photos: 10	Don´t take that much creatine. Don´t forget your EFAs.

09-02-2004, 09:42 AM	#21
BulkMeUp ..is bulking up! Elite Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Cana-dah Posts: 5,636	Going by the title of this thread, my guess is that he is looking for 'quick results'.

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